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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:20 AM
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nance said i must post this...
Edited on Mon Oct-08-07 08:21 AM by ldf
it was a reply to her latest, incredibly spot on, analysis of the situation.

this is only my second or third post (i think), since joining du in early 2001. i usually just reply, and not that often, if you notice my numbers. many times i may come across as a complete ass. okay, MOST times. probably because, at that moment, i am.

i don't have the luxury of spending extended periods of time on du (usually an hour or so at any given time), so i won't be replying to others responses. and that is rude (and why i don't post). i just don't have the time to be courteous to my du-mates. (i should be at work right now, but my bedroom ceiling has a leak, and i am waiting for maintenance to come.) so you will just have to discuss amongst yourselves. if it warrants it.

but nance gave me the ultimate compliment and said my response to her post should be a separate post, so more could see it. i am humbled.

nance was posting about how we, as voters, will never have perfection as a choice. it just ain't a gonna happen.

since that is the case, we must plan accordingly.

i, too, am disappointed in all of our candidates (except THE, hopefully yet to be announced, candidate). but as long as i still have the opposable thumb, i still have that very democrat grassroot/core/base ability to hold my nose while in the voting booth. and the party leaders are counting on that. they KNOW we have no choice. (al, are you listening???)

it is unfortunate that we have to do that. but at this point in this uniquely american experiment, it is imperative that we remove the current batch of criminals from the body politic. once that little bit of housekeeping is done, we can concentrate on letting our so-called democratic party leaders know who is REALLY in charge. i look forward to THAT little dustup. they are now on notice.

and as usual, in her incredibly insightful way... (begin post, i did change a comma..)


nance, you read us like a book...


and understandably, living through the nightmare that is the "w", we are all a little punchy.

i think i can safely say that we here at du feel that we are the true core, the true base of the democratic party.

we watched for eight years while, arguably, possibly the best president we have ever had, endured nothing but constant attacks of outrageous proportions, most of them fabricated. a few may have had some basis in fact, but they were minor in scope. our party could not bring itself to fight back. instead we ran from supporting our president.

i personally feel that bill made a foolish mistake. he made many policy decisions that i disagreed with, but the one "they" went after him for, paled in comparison to the atrocities committed by the republican party, and it's elected politicians.

across the board, those politicians, and those who voted for them, put party before country. to me, that is treason.

we continued to watch as our party failed to address the avalanche of hate from the other side. our party leaders were (and still are) afraid.

over the last few years we have watched our party stagger to the so-called "center", which seems to be ever further to the right, in a misguided, desperate appeal for votes from people who will NEVER vote for a democrat. they, essentially, kicked sand in our face.

that misguided staggering is a direct result of the policies put into place by our so-called democratic party leaders, who, all the while, never let an opportunity pass by to insult us, the "fringe" of the party. yet more sand in the face.

even though in a minority standing, and by definition an "opposition" party, our leaders, repeatedly, could not find the courage to take a stand on issue after issue. more sand.

our democratic party leaders accepted outright lies as truths, while pandering. and it was nothing but that, pandering. the result? we now have a policy of "pre-emptive war". we are now in a "pre-emptive" war based on those very lies. we have physically destroyed a country. we will face the mental destruction of the people of that country for decades to come. our congress has watched while the non-elected "president" has wiped his ass with the constitution and the bill of rights. we now torture. we are now one of the most hated nations on the planet.

as outrage amongst citizens grew, at least enough to TRY to start to reverse the course, in 2006 there was a breath of hope.

we party members hoped it was not too late. our leaders could actually do something.

and what have they done? essentially, nothing. except kick more sand.

and now we are facing another election. our choices are being provided by those very democratic party leaders who have failed at every turn.

these very same democratic leaders who, at every chance, belittle our concerns, accuse US of being leftwing radicals, out of the mainstream.

US...

we believe in choice, control over our own body, equality across the board, with no caveats, the right to earn a living wage, and to organize to protect that right, safety nets for those less fortunate, affordable health care, affordable education, to name a few.

but we are now the freaks of the left. sand, sand and more sand.

so, unfortunately, but rightly so, we are transferring our absolute disgust of our party to the candidates who are being presented as our choices.

so, yes. many of us are going overboard. but it IS understandable.

hopefully we will, in the end, act as a family should, and that is rally round our own, support our own, and as a result ELECT our own.

that is, unless we have had so much sand kicked in our face that we are unable to see our way into the voting booth.

humans are like that. do people wrong time and time again, and many times they WILL do something that is not in their best interest.

i hope that is not the case.

as far as your post, as usual, you hit the nail on the head. you are one of the reasons i am here.




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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:22 AM
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1. Beautifully said and so true.
You have, in fact, caused me to have a change of heart. Thank you for following Nance's advice and reposting.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:25 AM
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2. Charles Atlas and myself also endorse this post.
No more 98-pound weaklings, pleeeeease!
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:39 AM
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3. "once that little bit of housekeeping is done ..."
Please! Yeah, once every single Republican has been banished from the House and the Senate ... once Dems have taken every state house and once they have won every single seat in every state legislature ... THEN we can let the Dem leadership know who is in charge. :eyes:

I've got news for you ... they already know who is in charge. They are. You want to know how they arrived at that conclusion? Because you will vote for them no matter what as long as there is a Republican bogeyman they can threaten you with.



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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 08:41 AM
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4. "A Republican bogeyman they can threaten you with" The true bogeyman is The Unitary Executive!
:scared: :nuke: :scared:

A Unitary Executive Branch is NOT what our founders meant by Balance of Powers. :(
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:22 AM
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6. I'm more worried about our unitary body politic
When there is no alternative, there is no choice ... and the franchise becomes meaningless. That is the REAL bogeyman.

Congress could deal with the unitary executive if it wasn't in bed with the President.


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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-08-07 09:02 AM
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5. Great post. I wish you could be around and post more.
You definitely said what I am feeling.
I am so frustrated with our party right now, I'm not sure what to do.
Listening to the debates, I feel like the frontrunners sound like the Repubs from
a few short years ago, while the Repubs sound like RW loonies...
Why is that? Why does the political establishment seem to be drifting to the right
STILL? Hasn't anybody realized that this hawkish, nationalistic shit is what has
landed us in the mess we currently live in?
I am perfectly capable of holding my nose and voting Dem, and I will. I am just really discouraged
and sad that the candidates I support seem to have no real chance of making it through our highly dysfunctional
primaries. Thank you MSM, for picking out a frontrunner with constant speculation and stupid punditry for years before
there was even one candidate declared.

I am so sick of this bullshit.

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