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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:33 AM
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Now Read The Truth: Lieberman-Kyl DEFANGED Because of YOU
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 09:41 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_thepen_070929_now_read_the_truth_3a_.htm


WE THE PEOPLE CUT THE HEART OUT OF THE LIEBERMAN-KYL AMENDMENT

It has taken a couple days for the actual disposition of the Lieberman-Kyl amendment to leak out, but in FACT, the two most offensive paragraphs (3 and 4), which we were objecting to so strenuously as amounting to a declaration of war on Iran, were REMOVED IN THEIR ENTIRELY prior to the vote. Which means we WON.

Behold your victory:

Yes, you did it, with your TENS of thousands of emails and phones to Congress this last Monday and Tuesday. We are so proud of our participants on this one. Claim your win.

What was left was not great, but ultimately it means nothing with the actual teeth of the amendment extracted, not that that's any excuse for those who voted yes (or did not vote at all). So the Senate called some people a terrorist organization. Big deal, it's not binding anyway, no more than their groundless and hypocritical condemnation of MoveOn a week ago. And for those who may say this gives Cheney and Bush an excuse to do anything, this White House doesn't think it needs an excuse to do anything, that's the whole POINT of impeachment.

Once again this PROVES that activism works. We beat them back this time in a major way, folks, and why? Because we actually spoke out, that's why! We dismissed the voices of defeatism and took action. Fancy that, participatory democracy works. Are the evil ones going to give up? Of course not, and that's why we're not going to give up either. Let's say it together, we're going to keep ON speaking out in even greater numbers.

There are many dirty secrets in Washington, but the biggest one of all they are trying to keep may be that when you write and call in mass numbers, members of Congress tremble, shaking in their socks, especially in the House where they have to get reelected every two years. Oh, sure, sometimes they send us their form letter responses trying to sluff us off, trying to con us into thinking we are not having an impact. But we know the truth, which is that they work for us, and we do have the POWER with our personal messages to enforce that.

WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? WHY, IMPEACHMENT OF COURSE

This week yet another video of Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney surfaced from the early nineties, again articulating his views as to why trying to occupy Iraq would be lead to nothing but a disastrous quagmire. And yet this is the same man who not only lied the country into doing just that once he seized power himself, but is still the most aggressive force in the White House pushing for an even more monumental debacle in Iran.

H. RES 333 ACTION PAGE: http://www.usalone.com/hres333.php

Recognizing the gravity of the increasingly loud drumbeats for more war coming from the Vice President's office, this week Dennis Kucinich, who had already gotten 20 cosponsors for H.Res 333 to impeach Cheney, said he was seriously considering forcing the House of Representatives to take up the issue of impeachment by bringing it as a privileged resolution.

We have a major win in our pocket this week. We have slowed them down. But we also recognize that the only thing that will stop them completely is confronting the White House, and Cheney in particular, with impeachment. Each and every member of the House must be called to account at this moment in American political history, by the demands of you, their constituents, whether they will stand up for the Constitution and stop Dick Cheney's delusional march to Iran . . . or not.

Already more than 110,000 of your fellow constituents have voted in the National Cheney Impeachment Poll. If we had a million people call in one week, impeachment would be the centerpiece on the table so fast it would make their heads spin. We're going to do it. We're going to crank up our efforts to a new level this week. And when Dennis Kucinich DOES introduce his privileged resolution, we're going to crank it up even more.

THANK DENNIS KUCINICH PERSONALLY FOR HIS LEADERSHIP

Once again, Dennis Kucinich stands out as the leading voice calling for restoration of our Constitution. Isn't that enough reason to make whatever donation you can to him, to encourage him to speak out even stronger on the issues more and more every day? If you have not done so already, please do so now if you can.

Donate to Kucinich for 2008
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:36 AM
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1. Thanks for reminding us how democracy works
We argue, we kvetch, and then we get incremental improvements. This was a small victory, but a useful one.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:39 AM
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2. It is neutral at best, not a victory. The resolution still calls for an indefinite
prescence in Iraq to contain Iran, and it doesn't help that the leading Democratic nominee, clinton, voted for this resolution

Yes you are right, Kucinich is ahead of the curve

Funny how our memories our so short, and how are country supported Iraq in its invasion of Iran during the 80's where millions were
killed
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:40 AM
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3. wait just a sec.
Don't let's pat ourselves on the butt too soon. WE CANNOT SIT ON OUR CABBAGE PATCH AND PUT LAURELS ON OUR HEADS. or some such cliche.

No rest for the weary and victorious. Not with those assholes against us.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:42 AM
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4. If it was thousands and thousands of cards and letters
how did Dennis Kucinich get credit for stopping it??
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:47 AM
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6. Dennis introduces H Res. 333...
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:10 AM
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12. H.Res.333 is about Impeachment, it has nothing to do with
Liberman-Kyl,,,H Res 333 is only being "seriously considered"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:44 AM
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5. Although de-fanged - it is still "lethal" to any prospect of peace.
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 09:50 AM by AtomicKitten
This POS amendment was proffered as a precursor to an Iran War Resolution. Make no mistake about it: this is the first step to the rush to war, and HRC signed on allegedly to gird her loins if she goes up against Giuliani. When did voting to do the right thing become obsolete?
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:48 AM
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7. obama voted against it, right? nt
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:49 AM
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8. well, he sure as hell didn't vote YES on it !!!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:26 PM
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17. He did not bother to vote.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:33 PM
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18. "didn't bother to vote" is your spin on it
There are reasons he did not vote; he didn't just not bother to vote.

That comment is as flippant as it is gratuitous.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:00 PM
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19. I'll rephrase it -- HE did NOT vote
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:05 AM
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11. he didn't vote
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:51 AM
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13. He didn't vote - but said he would have voted no - so at least he is putting himself on record
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 10:52 AM by karynnj
Although neither of the 2 votes he missed were close, they were both significant enough - for political reasons he likely should have returned to DC - even if it meant missing the debate because he was sick.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:03 PM
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20. "said he would have voted no"
... big fucking deal. I can say I would have voted no, too. What difference does that make in the long run. He still WASN'T THERE FOR THE VOTE.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:31 PM
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22. It would have made no difference had he BEEN there
All Senators who have ever run for President at some point miss many many votes. In general they coordinate with their leader. On close votes, they make a point of returning. Here neither vote was close. Different Senators handle the missed vote in different ways - in 2004, Daschle entered the way Senator Kerry would have voted on each vote per Kerry's request. Daschle also announced that Edwards was necessarily absent - but did not say how he would have voted. Obama was said by Durbin to be necessarily absent without indicating how he would have voted. Obama put out a statement of how he would have voted on the two votes. (this may have been what Edwards did then too.)

Here, he did put himself on record around the time of the vote - this was not an attempt to be able to take either side later.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:53 AM
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9. Thanks for posting this.
I wrote my two repuke Senators but have not heard anything from them yet. Glad to hear it had some affect on them. I will momentarily enjoy this victory...ahhh... then move on to the next.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:55 AM
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and calling your congress critter
Feels so GOOD!

and even a semi-housebound old woman can do it.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 09:55 AM
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10. dupe!
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 10:25 AM by JitterbugPerfume
ruh roh!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:04 AM
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14. where?...i looked but didn't see
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:13 PM
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21. oh! sorry
I meant my post was a duplicate
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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:07 AM
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15. But as Webb put it they gave credibility to the "evidence" without holding public hearings.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:08 AM
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16. This came out before....one of the sites posted it.
AND when every one was complaining I posted it. Now I can't remember but I think I found it thru either Kos or ThinkProgress.
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