Kucinich supports a $3/gallon gasoline tax and a national no-smoking law

[Bake]

Yeah, let's punish the CONSUMER for driving an internal combustion engine vehicle, since we're given soooo many options ... bright idea there, Kooch. And that national no-smoking policy? I smoke and I vote - but not for you.

DK came off last night looking like the fringe candidate that he is. THAT'S why he's unelectable; not because of his physical stature.

Bake

[rucky]

1. I must've missed the gas tax thing.

doesn't sound like DK. that would be really regressive.

I admit, I lost a little enthusiasm for him last night.

[ProudDad]

71. Probably because he said the opposite

NO to gas tax...

I don't want to speak for him but it would be a severely regressive tax.

I'd prefer a (nearly prohibitive) luxury tax on the sale of any vehicle that gets less than 35 miles per gallon...

[rucky]

105. That sounds more like my Kooch. n/t

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. His Bad.

He is touting regressive taxes to boot. Hardly an intelligent move.

[jmp]

3. I would support the gas tax ... not the no-smoking law ...

But maybe it's time to give up those cancer sticks, don't you think?

Phillip Morris wants you to smoke ... the people who love you don't.

Should be an easy choice.


Yeah I know ... mind my own. :P

[superkia]

4. I thought he said no to the gasoline tax? Sorry you are addicted.

Cigarettes shouldn't even be legal, they are addicting, stink, stain your clothes, irritate people who don't fall to peer pressure and aren't addicts and they kill people. Just because allot of Americans are addicted to a substance, doesn't make it right?

I think this was his comment.

Kucinich on a $3 gas tax. No. Next president needs to have been right about Iraq and Patriot Act. And he's short.

[Odin2005]

24. Yeah, 'cause banning alcohol back in the 1920s worked so well...

:sarcasm:

Enough decent people are stuck in jail as it is from having the misfortune of getting caught smoking marijuana, we don't need you Authoritarians sending more people there.

[ronnykmarshall]

75. I hear that.

I smoke (and will quit one day) and this is just foolishness.

[redqueen]

5. Greed.

People in other countries refuse to subsidize oil & gas companies and pay more. I guess too many americans are spoiled.

As for smoking, yeah... that's a bad move.

Doesn't tip the scales when set against his iraq war, drug war, free trade ideas... not for me.

[Nederland]

9. Correction

Gas costs more in other countries because it is taxed, not because it is subsidized here. In fact, in the big picture gasoline is not subsidized here in the US at all. If you do the math you'll see that the taxes that are placed on gasoline at the pump more than make up for the subsidies oil companies receive.

[redqueen]

12. So they tax us, and hand that money to oil & gas companies in the form of subsidies.

Is that so different?

[ProudDad]

73. You're VERY wrong nederland

the gas taxes in this country are a drop in the bucket to the BILLIONS in subsidies, tax breaks and tax rate reductions the oil companies have enjoyed since ronny ray-gun stole the office...

[snappyturtle]

6. I would have a problem with the gas tax because

I wouldn't trust them with more money...what will they use it for? Anyone know? Look what's happened to Social Security funds. On the other hand I can't think of anything that would better help with conservation of gasoline than a tax....it's really a double edged sword. I travel a highway, four lane, several times a week. It is never crowded. The speed limit is 55mph. People FLY around me...I go the 55mph.I watch these big pickups and SUVs pass me and wince thinking of their fuel bills. When will we learn?

I've got news for Dennis...as I see it, don't we almost have or will shortly have a national no smoking policy? I smoke and I only smoke at home anymore.

[ProudDad]

74. It could be targeted for exclusive use

in decentralized solar electric and electric "urban" vehicle subsidies.

It wouldn't be, but it COULD be.

I still prefer a whopping tax on vehicles that get less than 35 mpg...

[Kelly Rupert]

7. And this is why Dennis Kucinich will never win a national election.

Not because he's short, not because he speaks truth to power, but because occasionally he opens his mouth and says something like this. He's great at attacking Republicans--fantastic at it. He tells the truth about their shit like nobody else. But when it comes to his own ideas? Many are a bit iffy.

[Bake]

10. He says a lot of the right things, but then he does one of these

and just sounds nutty. Plus, the "bankrupting the city" thing would kill him in the polls - nobody's going to give him TIME to tell the whole story.

Not to worry though. He's still stuck at, what, 2%?

Bake

[slick8790]

8. That really bothered me.

Those of us stuck in the rural areas with no mass transit to speak of appreciate your concern, dennis. maybe you could personally pay for our gas taxes.

as for a national smoking ban, another ridiculous statement. I don't smoke, but i don't have a vendetta against people who do. the idea people aren't allowed to smoke in bars, or in smoking sections of restaurants amazes me. it boggles my mind that this is any of the government's business. i know the risks of second hand smoke, and of smoking in general. now butt out and focus on getting out of iraq and restoring our place in the world.

[MadHound]

44. Being stuck in a rural area doesn't mean that you can't conserve fuel

Hell, I'm out in the boonies of Missouri, and do my daily commute on one of these


A Bajaj scooter. Cruises at 55mph, gets 100mpg. I've put nine thousand miles on it over the course of two years, and put in less gas than many people do in a month, especially if they live out in the country. I've found it to be perfect for winding back roads.

[slick8790]

56. Granted. I do try to conserve fuel.

But I think a $3 gasoline tax is regressive, at best.

[MadHound]

57. I'm torn on this one

On the one hand I agree with you about it being regressive, on the other hand it seems as though the only thing that moves the vast majority of Americans is pain in their pocketbook.

By the by, if you use any farm equipment, tractors, etc. you can save yourself a bunch of money by using diesel vehicles fueled by biodiesel. We've got a few good ol' boys doing that out here.

[HeeBGBz]

58. How does it do in winter and on ice?

I'm moving back to Missouri at the end of October. I wouldn't mind getting one of those, but the thought of crazy drivers on curvy roads in the Ozarks worries me.

[MadHound]

60. Well, like any other two wheeled vehicle, it doesn't agree with ice

However I generally ride it until it is below 25 degrees. Granted, I'm a large guy who generates a lot of heat, so your mileage may vary. I do recommend that you get the optional windshield, not just to catch the bugs, but also to cut down on the wind chill in the winter.

As far as crazy Ozark drivers, I here ya. But if you stay off of the major routes, I44, 65 and 13 you should be OK. I used to live and bike through the Ozarks and really didn't have much problem out in the country. It was the drunk, dumb rednecks in Springfield who were more of a problem.

[robcon]

61. whaddya do in the rain

pretty impractical to get to work in the rain, isn't it?

[ProudDad]

81. Geez, always ready to piss on a good idea

aren't we...

http://calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/RainSuits.html

[VLC]

50. How do you feel about seatbelt laws?

[slick8790]

55. I feel they should be mandatory under 18, but once you're a legal adult,

it's your choice. I know I'm going to wear a seatbelt, but if someone really doesn't want to, then that's their choice. none of my or your business.

[ProudDad]

80. It becomes your business when they hit the E.R.

of the local county hospital with brain damage and no health coverage...

Of course with HR676 -- Conyers/Kucinich Universal Health Care for ALL -- that cost wouldn't be quite as much an issue...

[mark414]

97. before i read your post (and read just the subject line)

i thought to myself...well, we could solve that with universal health care

great minds...?

[ProudDad]

99. great minds...?

You Bet!!! :hi:

[VLC]

98. It's not just about money

Imagine being in a wreck where someone gets seriously injured or dies, and knowing if they'd had their seatbelt on the outcome might have been different. Having that on your conscience for the rest of your lives.

I understand not wanting the govt. to tell you what to do, but we have so many of these laws - seatbelts, speed limits, etc. I really can't understand someone NOT wearing a seatbelt, especially if it's just 'cause the government tells them to.

And yes, I'm aware sometimes seatbelts HURT people too but that is the exception, not the rule.

[ProudDad]

101. I remember the history of this...

In Detroit, the corporate capitalist masters in charge of the car companies, in their ever-infinite wisdom, refused to put SEAT BELTS IN CARS AT ALL because "it would cost too much and nobody wants them".

Then the Federal Mandate was passed and they were forced to provide them.

Sound familiar?

Follow the Money!!!

[slick8790]

103. I can't understand someone not wanting to wear a seatbelt either.

But then again, I can't understand why someone would smoke, drink excessively, sky-dive, or vote republican. But none of these things are my choice, and none of them hurt me....well, maybe the last one a little :)

[mark414]

96. i want a government, not a nanny

[ProudDad]

78. The reason that people aren't allowed to smoke in

bars and restaurants (smoking sections are a JOKE -- unless they're in a separate freakin' building, that shit still hits our nostrils)...

Is that they AREN'T ALLOWED TO TRY TO MURDER US WITH THEIR CARCINOGENIC SHIT!!!!

It IS the business of "We the People" (that's who the government IS by the way, you don't like it, get involved) to force the minority who choose to kill themselves with their choice to keep it away from those of us who choose NOT to kill ourselves in that particular manner...

It's not a vendetta - it's SELF DEFENSE!!!

As well as a defense of children, who are MOST effected by second-hand smoke damage!

I'd support a national smoking ban in all public spaces... We've already had it in both of the states I've lived in recently -- thank Dog, it just went into effect the month I moved here to Arizona!! Doesn't hurt business. Definitely improves the quality of life for the majority of folks who are non-smokers and children...

[slick8790]

102. Why is it the government's business?

This is the one and only place I can say let public opinion work. If a restaurant chooses to allow smoking, then don't eat there if you don't like it. If there is truly more people who would refuse to go because of smoking, then the owners will restrict smoking on their own. if not, they wont.

[dugggy]

11. If gas tax is hiked $3/gallon, I will have to learn to ride a

bicycle. That will be hard at my age in 60's.

[VLC]

51. You could get a tricycle.

The kind for adults. Would be easy to ride. I know several seniors who have one.

[Apollo11]

54. Go to Holland

That country is full of seniors on bicycles.

But of course they don't have any hills.

[ProudDad]

82. Try one of these

http://urbanscooters.com/

But be CAREFUL out there...

[dugggy]

109. It rains 180 days a year here in Oregon/Washington

not great weather for bikes or scooters. I will have
to look for a small car with 50+ mpg.

[Milo_Bloom]

13. Yes to the gas tax, NO on the smoking ban.

Ross Perot proposed a similar gas tax back in 1992. I wonder how much further along in alternative energy we would be had that gone into effect back then?? Every once in a while I pull out Perot's book and read it. Like him or not, he was dead on with many of the things he said and the things that would happen.

I am NOT a smoker and I am 100% AGAINST smoking bans in restaraunt/bars like they forced on people here in CA. It should be up to the establishment whether they want to be smoking or non-smoking and allow the market to decide what is best. There are more non-smokers than smokers and likely the people who don't smoke and care, will gravitate towards non-smoking establishments.

[ProudDad]

83. The difference is that

the carcinogen-smoke-filled air expelled by the smoker can KILL YOU...

The non-smoky air expelled by the NON-smoker might offend but WON'T KILL!!!!

Understand now???


You're proposing a form of apartheid. That's REALLY Stupid!

I know a number of smokers who have coped quite well with the newly installed non-smoking law in my new state.

Most feel better now that they don't have to worry about harming others with their (admittedly difficult to kick) habit.

[Milo_Bloom]

106. Understand, doesn't make a difference.

I don't smoke and I am perfectly capable of CHOOSING whether to go into a bar/restaurant that allows smoking.

The difference with apartheid is that there was no choice. In the system I propose, a smoker can go into a non-smoking establishment by simply not smoking while they are there and a non-smoker can go into a smoking establishment by assuming whatever risk they choose to assume.

I am all for taxing cigarettes to offset the costs to the health care system. We should probably add a national tax on them to add to the cost of a proper single payer system. I am also for rules that limit the exposure of the unwilling to smoke, such as desinating gatherings of over 500 people non-smoking by default. This would cover office buildings, complexes, etc...

HOWEVER, if someone wants to open a neighborhood bar or restaraunt that caters to smokers, they should have the right to do so as well without the government telling them what is or is not good for them. Similarly if an airline wants to have a "smoking flight", they should be allowed to do it as well. The market will dictate the viability of the concept by the number of patrons who go.

Similarly, I think they should decriminilize hemp and give it the exact same regulations as alcohol and tobacco.

[fed-up]

14. didn't see the debate-can you provide a link to DK and $3 gas tax? nt

[Bake]

30. Link's ass. I saw him say it on the debate.

If you were watching you'd have seen it too.

Bake

[ProudDad]

84. Didn't happen - DK said No to the tax

the others all said yes...

I would have said, "a gas tax like that is regressive. I propose a huge excise tax on passenger vehicles that get less than 40 Miles Per Gallon."

[AZBlue]

15. Got any links to support this?

[bluedog]

27. link.........

At a nationally televised presidential debate between Democratic presidential candidates last night, Cleveland Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich said he backs a nationwide ban on public smoking, and opined that eighteen-year-olds should be allowed to drink legally, and that sixteen-year-olds should be allowed to vote.

"We have to have confidence in young Americans," Kucinich told Tim Russert, who moderated the MSNBC debate at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire. "And a president who reaches out to them and talks to them about drinking responsibly is much better than a president who tells them, 'Thou shalt not,' because young people will do what they do, but they're looking for leadership from a president."

In expressing his support for a nationwide ban on cigarette smoking in public places, Kucinich joked that he'd been "breathing in a lot of secondhand smoke here tonight" from other candidates getting more debate face-time. Although Kucinich backs a cigarette clampdown, he's said in the past that marijuana should be legalized.

snip

He also said he believes individual cities that want to be a safe haven for illegal immigrants should be allowed to disobey federal laws immigration laws.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/09/ban_smoking_but_reduce_voting.html

[Bake]

31. I was watching the debate. Were you?

He said it. Find your own damn link. I get really sick of "link, please" as if that proves something. He either said it or he didn't, and I saw him say it. And I was fucking SHOCKED.

Bake

[slipslidingaway]

39. See post #38 for the videos and truth n/t

[Norrin Radd]

16. Unelectable?

Why do we see that term used in threads most often with Kucinich's name, but not other candidates like Dodd, Richardson, Biden, Gravel?

[Kelly Rupert]

18. Well,

In head-to-heads, Richardson's actually doing okay for himself; he's edging Thompson and closing on Rudy. Kucinich gets clobbered against everyone but the Pauls, Brownbacks and Tancredos. Gravel is totally unelectable, but nobody really talks about him here because...well, everyone knows he's unelectable and nobody would claim otherwise. Chris Dodd is the 2008 Fight Club candidate; nobody talks about him. Biden's kinda hangin' around there too.

Koocy's the one with a ton of internet supporters saying "AMERICA WANTS KUCINICH," and people reply with, "If the polls are to be believed, America would rather not."

[BootinUp]

19. I like Biden a lot, but imho he could never win

in a GE, not in this decade. There is too much baggage from the past there. His Senate record could surely be picked apart for things to confuse the electorate on.

[Bake]

32. They're "electable" but they won't get the nom.

Simple as that. Because they're not f***ing GOOFY.

Bake

[ProudDad]

85. Probably because those who call him "unelectable"

are the ones MOST AFRAID of a REAL progressive being elected...

and he's the only one who IS electable...

[BootinUp]

17. I second your thread OP. n/t

[cobalt1999]

20. I hate to come to the defense of Kucinich because I don't think much of him, but...

If the government used the tax money to fund mass transit and alternative energy sources, I would vote for that.

The smoking thing was stupid though.

[ProudDad]

86. The "smoking thing" has already been done

in California and Arizona that I know of.

And it's VERY SUCCESSFUL!!!

Not stupid at all. It's self-defense...

[penguin7]

21. This post is false

Kucinich answered no to the 3$/gas tax question.

I think a gas tax a good idea, but I also think Edwards house is bad for the environment so I am in the minority.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpG2CshQ7xU

[slipslidingaway]

36. THANK YOU & all other candidates said YES to smoking ban

except Clinton and Obama who said they would prefer to have local bans and see the outcome first.

Here's that video, start at 5:25.

Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich and Gravel all raised their hands in response to the question. When Russert was doing the second summary and moving on to the next question, Edwards wanted to join the other five.

NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC DEBATE SEPT 26, 2007 part 12
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gBwCUw60aZI

[Odin2005]

22. National no smoking law? DK just lost any respect I had for him.

My mom is the manager of a bar. No Smoking Law = bar may go under = she loses her job.

Fuck you, Dennis.

[frylock]

48. i live in california..

and bars didn't go under.

[VLC]

52. Bar may go under? Got anything to support that?

I ask because a friend was telling me the other day that in our city, they've determined that the smoking ban in bars has not affected business. Smokers simply go outside every hour or so.

[Odin2005]

63. Try doing that when it's winter and it's -15 degrees outside with -30 wind chills.

[VLC]

64. Well, I'm not a smoker.

So I can't really understand the urge to do that anyway.

[RebelOne]

107. I'm a smoker and believe me, nothing is going to stop me from

getting my nicotine fix. No matter how cold or hot. I have to go outside my office to smoke. And I have stood outside in 100-degree days and 20-degree days just to satisfy my habit.

[ProudDad]

87. That's the lie

that they would like you to believe:

"No Smoking Law = bar may go under = she loses her job"

Didn't happen in California...

Didn't happen in Arizona...

Don't listen to the smoke the smoking lobby blows up your ass...

[depakid]

23. Care to elaborate?

[LWolf]

25. There seems to be some dispute about your assertions.

Can you post a transcript, and link, of the remarks you are referring to?

[ileus]

26. I'd support the no-smoking part but not the petrol tax.

[zulchzulu]

28. Heck, let's have enforced veganism while we're at it...

Golly gee, let's make Tibetan Buddhist chants the new National Anthem too...

The chance of Kucinich getting more than 2% of the vote in just about any state is as good as Ed Grimley being the next Mr. America...

[ProudDad]

88. Meat eating doesn't KILL vegatarians

Second Hand Smoke kills non-smokers...

Understand now???

[Clanfear]

29. That idea only hurts the working class

As much as we may want to curb our carbon footprint, any tax on gas will only hurt the poor.

[ProudDad]

89. It is regressive

and therefore is the first choice of the corporate candidates.

Kucinich said "No!"

I'd prefer a huge excise tax on passenger vehicles that get less than 40 mpg! With a 200% tax on hummers...

[Lydia Leftcoast]

33. $3 a gallon is still half the price in Europe, and several countries

have nationwide public smoking bans, including the UK and Ireland.

[ProudDad]

90. As do California and Arizona

and the banning of smoking in public places works DAMN WELL FOR EVERYBODY!!!

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. Don't forget he only wants the government to own handguns

[Bake]

35. I've got a .357 and I'm NOT a criminal.

Dems shoot themselves in the ass sometimes....

But not me.

Bake

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. Kucinich wants to take your gun:

Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. A gun buy-back provision will be included in the bill.


more: http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=62819

[Yukari Yakumo]

40. It's things like this which is precisely why Kuch is unelectable {nt}

uguu

[Freddie Stubbs]

43. It's the MSM's fault!

They must have hacked into his congressional website and put that press release there just to damage his campaign.

[Bake]

67. And DK supporters wonder why everyone else calls him unelectable.

He plays right into the caricature that Repubs paint of the Democratic Party.

Bake

[ProudDad]

91. WooHoo

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[-..__...]

45. That would include his SS detail if he won the primary and general election.

Hey! I'm feeling pretty well protected... how about you?

[slipslidingaway]

38. Videos, Kucinich said NO to $3.00 gas tax and 6 candidates said

YES to the national ban on smoking in public places.

Gas tax

Start at 2:25 on the below video re the $3.00 gas tax


penguin7 (438 posts) Fri Sep-28-07 12:44 AM
Response to Original message

21. This post is false
Kucinich answered no to the 3$/gas tax question.

I think a gas tax a good idea, but I also think Edwards house is bad for the environment so I am in the minority.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpG2CshQ7xU


Smoking ban


slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-28-07 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #21
36. THANK YOU & all other candidates said YES to smoking ban
except Clinton and Obama who said they would prefer to have local bans and see the outcome first.

Here's that video, start at 5:25.

Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich and Gravel all raised their hands in response to the question. When Russert was doing the second summary and moving on to the next question, Edwards wanted to join the other five.

NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC DEBATE SEPT 26, 2007 part 12
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gBwCUw60aZI

[Kelly Rupert]

41. That's true; this entire thread is wrong.

I apologize for my part in it.

[slipslidingaway]

46. THANK YOU and now if other people will read and watch the

videos they will see the OP is wrong. If people make accusations and cannot/will not provide a link we should be suspicious of what they are saying IMO.

:toast: :toast:

[LWolf]

110. His "no" to the gas tax question is superb. n/t

[-..__...]

42. The guy is totally out of touch with reality.

But... I guess when you're at the bottom of the pack you can afford to say anything you want (and the Kool-Aid drinkers will gleefully consume it).

[slipslidingaway]

47. The author of the OP is totally out of touch with reality, see the

videos in #38, Dennis must be scaring some people if they are willing to smear him without checking their facts.

[MGKrebs]

59. It's not fear of DK, it's disrespect for this forum, and

a lack of understanding that words matter.

Some people feel that they can write any old thing and that it has no consequences.

The Internet. BYOR. Bring Your Own Responsibility.

[Bake]

66. It's not disrespect. It's live TV and an error.

But if it makes you feel good to be superior (since I assume you've never posted anything in error), so be it.

At least I admitted my error.

Bake

[MGKrebs]

70. The correction is appreciated.

But the factual error isn't even the worst of it. It's the defense of the error with insulting comments to other members of this community who questioned the premise. Will you admit that mistake?

(ref. post #30 and #31)


Those are real people behind those screen names.

[Bake]

94. As a matter of fact, yes I will.

My apologies for snarky or insulting comments in this thread. And my appreciation for those who dug up the facts.

Bake

[MGKrebs]

100. Cheers!

If we ever meet, I would welcome the opportunity to buy you a beer. (I'm not as sanctimonious in person. I think.)

[Bake]

104. And I would welcome the opportunity to take you up on that!

And I'll buy the second round.

Bake

[slipslidingaway]

68. Yes and thank you! n/t

[killbotfactory]

49. That is exactly what the American people crave at this point in time

The outcry from the public demanding higher gas prices is just so strong right now. I can't believe other campaigns aren't following his lead.

[robcon]

62. I think the Dept of Peace struck a nerve, too.

There are too few stupid ideas like that bandied about, and we need more of them from Dennis. The legalization of smoking marijuana, and the ban on smoking cigarettes should be in the politician's Hall of Fame for stupidity.

DK is great for comic relief.

[ProudDad]

93. As are your posts...

amazing that anyone can be so consistently, resolutely, obdurately wrong in every post!

Comic Relief indeed...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Apollo11]

53. England has single-payer universal healthcare, and $4.89 tax per gallon of gasoline.

A gasoline tax is the most obvious way to slow-down consumption.

There are always ways of reducing the amount of gasoline you "need".

Gasoline tax can also help to pay for better and cheaper mass-transit.

[Bake]

65. May I have your attention: I STAND CORRECTED

I apparently misheard DK's response to the gasoline tax question (although YouTube is blocked here so I cannot verify this personally, but I'll take your word for it). I can admit it when I am wrong, as I was in this case.

However, having said that, DK **did** advocate the smoking ban AND lowering the drinking age to 18 and VOTING AGE to 16 (!!). Defend THOSE positions.

Bake

[slipslidingaway]

69. Here, this was my reply to you on the corrected thread.

And just an additional note, as my sister lives in Europe and we visit occasionally, I am happy that my children were offered a glass of wine with dinner at an earlier age. First they were in the company of family if they felt a little strange and also they were not/ are not waiting for their 21st birthday so they can have a drink or sneaking behind our backs. The issue is out in the open, at least I hope so :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3557905&mesg_id=3559149

Yet you single Dennis out AGAIN on this thread when 5 others
gave the same response on the smoking ban? As for the drinking age at 18 I agree with Dennis, it is about teaching our children to be responsible. They can be taught to kill at 18 or be killed, yet cannot legally have a drink of alcohol? The children that are 16 and 17 are the same children that could be drafted to fight the next war, maybe they should have a say? Most high schools and many grammar schools discuss the Presidential Election, the candidates and the issues, what a great time to get them involved in not only discussing, but actually taking part in the political system. They might remain more involved, I like the idea.


Videos, Kucinich said NO to $3.00 gas tax and 6 candidates said
YES to the national ban on smoking in public places.

Gas tax

Start at 2:25 on the below video re the $3.00 gas tax


penguin7 (438 posts) Fri Sep-28-07 12:44 AM
Response to Original message

21. This post is false
Kucinich answered no to the 3$/gas tax question.

I think a gas tax a good idea, but I also think Edwards house is bad for the environment so I am in the minority.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpG2CshQ7xU


Smoking ban


slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Fri Sep-28-07 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #21
36. THANK YOU & all other candidates said YES to smoking ban
except Clinton and Obama who said they would prefer to have local bans and see the outcome first.

Here's that video, start at 5:25.

Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich and Gravel all raised their hands in response to the question. When Russert was doing the second summary and moving on to the next question, Edwards wanted to join the other five.

NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC DEBATE SEPT 26, 2007 part 12
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gBwCUw60aZI

[Fearless]

79. Yes, yes, and yes...

How's that for defense. Smoking drains healthcare funds. The drinking age might as well be 18. In nations where the age is lower, alcoholism is much lower. And voting... those that are informed will vote, those that aren't will likely continue playing with their GameBoys and internet tubes.

[Clark2008]

72. Well... now I'm particularly stumped.

I was going to vote for him should Gore (and since we know Clark) not jump in.

Guess not.

Back to the drawing board.

[Fearless]

76. There is a univeral notion in politics

Things must get worse before they get better. Bring on $3.00 gas and a no smoking law (which is fiscally responsible I might add). Maybe it'll get more people involved in government and fewer people leaching off the healthcare system.

[Capn Sunshine]

77. Sometimes the truth hurts

There's no question that to discourage consumers -even those who know better, we have to make gas so prohibitably expensive that alternative energy is the only thing that makes sense.

Most people are really not willing to face unpleasant facts.

Smokers know they should quit.
Consumers know they should use alternative transportation.

you first.

[LanternWaste]

92. This smoker...

This smoker is now giving even more consideration to Kucinich because at the end of the day, the national cost of this filthy habit of mine is more important than my nicotine fix.

Sad that the three dollar tax hike is nothing more than a projection on your part, as I'd support that one too.


That's what I like about Attack Posts-- when a dumbshit advertises his vehemence, it makes the candidate look that much sweeter to me...

[Bake]

95. "Dumbshit"??

I admitted my error. How "progressive" of you to resort to ad hominem.

Nice post, Hitler.

Bake

[LanternWaste]

108. "a" dumbshit.

"a" dumbshit. No specific targets. No particular examples cited. No specific lack of progressivism...

[tomp]

111. it's about the venom in your post...

...and in your responses. anyone can make an error. a smart person doesn't jump in wtih both feet, guns blazing against a guy pulling what-3%?-in the polls unless he/she has an agenda. there was nothing hitlerian in the post you responded to. you seem to be characterologically over-the-top in everything you say. try being more careful and more contrite.

[hayu_lol]

114. Lessee...if Bush vetoes the childcare health bill,

and smoking is banned, how will children get healthcare?

Smokers are paying the entire bill as it stands now.

As to the gas tax...any of you have to use vehicles to move heavy loads to make a living? If not, then your purely recreational driving to and from work ought to be taxed $6/gal.

Is Dennis gonna ban moon trips to save fuel?

[lonestarnot]

112. I guess that would mean that we would have to do something about transporation then wouldn't we?

And I smoke too. :smoke: but if they weren't around to smoke, then I would have to quit wouldn't I? :evilgrin: :smoke:

[polichick]

113. A national no-smoking law but 18 year-olds should be able to drink???

HUH?!?