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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:22 PM
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Feingold/Reid Amendment to end the war in Iraq was just withdrawn due to
lack of support.


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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:23 PM
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1. Like that wasn't a given. Every damn dem should have put their
names on that bill. That's why they were elected, that's what their constituents want.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:25 PM
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6. Besides Lieberman, are there other Dems who wouldn't support it? nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:23 PM
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2. Yeah. Defunding isn't going to happen. That's just a fact.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:23 PM
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3. Bush and/or AIPAC has Congress by The (whatever)
:cry:
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:23 PM
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4. should have tied it to the moveon legislation
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:23 PM
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5. And many incumbent Dems in Congress
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 02:24 PM by Drum
may face the same fate in November '08....
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:26 PM
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7. Juan Cole's sober take on the Democrats' predicament in Iraq...
Thursday, September 20, 2007

Republicans vote Down Webb Plan for Troops;

Republican senators succeeded in blocking the Webb plan to give US troops off as much time between deployments as they spent in Iraq. The Bush administration managed successfully to lobby Senate Republicans to defeat the measure, which would have resulted in a reduction of the number of US forces in the field (or a big increase in the use of National Guard units). The Dems needed 60 in the Senate to get a consensus, and could only muster 56. They could not, in any case, have over-ridden a presidential veto, which veto Secretary of Defense Robert Gates had urged on W.

This sort of outcome underlines my point last week that the Democrats in Congress are unlikely to be able to force significant troop drawdowns before Bush goes out of office. See below for an important argument that at least they should try to mandate preparations for troop withdrawals (preparations that appear not to have been made, much to the annoyance of a lot of endangered Americans in Iraq, including those in the Green Zone). I know some readers favor a sort of Democratic Gingrichism, using power over the budget to shut down the Defense Department, but realistically speaking such a strategy would likely boomerang big time and might well cost the Democrats the next election. The Republicans would blame every American death in Iraq on them from now to the election, on grounds of their 'irresponsibility.' They would be accused of being allies of 'al-Qaeda in Iraq,' helping kill US troops by defunding them in the face of a vicious enemy. Sitting Democrats in Congress are just not going to go this route, folks, and if they did they likely wouldn't be sitting there much longer. (All of the House of Representatives has to face the voters every two years!) I don't know why proponents of this tactic don't recognize that the war will actually be much prolonged if the Democrats act in ways that may rehabilitate the electoral chances of the Republicans in '08. At the least, it is a chance that has to be taken into serious account.

My guess is, the Republicans will go on standing up for an increasingly unpopular war until November, '08 and will take a bath. And then the new Democratic administration will swiftly move to draw down the troops, with most out by the end of 2009. This scenario contains extreme dangers for the Democrats, since 2010 could then be a very, uh, interesting year in the Middle East.

http://www.juancole.com/2007/09/republicans-vote-down-w...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:27 PM
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8. this was voted on in May
the same amendment, Yeas 29 Nays 67 today 28 Yeas 70 Nays. discouraging and dismal news.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:27 PM
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9. The sad truth is that it was just a waste of time
Even if it was passed - Bsh wouldn't care.

The Dems need to be more creative - like the Webb amendment.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:33 PM
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10. And look at what happened to the Webb amendment. I feel like crying... this is
from Google news when I Googled Webb Amendment

The Washington Post reports the Webb amendment's failure "offered the most vivid evidence yet that the Bush administration still controls Iraq war policy, ...

http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=webb+amendment&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:46 PM
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11. I was getting so frustrated listening to the repugs yesterday
They kept talking about how this was going to hurt the military.

Our troops are the military - duh!!

Why wouldn't they want to give our troops a break?
Can you imagine what it must be like to be over in that 'meatgrinder' (as Biden calls it) 24/7 for 15 months straight?
:cry:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:05 PM
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12. Meatgrinder. Paints a pretty accurate picture. nt
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