Well, Obama deciding not to vote on this MoveOn resolution

[Clintonista2]

Certainly is a step down from his only voting "present" on all abortion bills while in the Illiniois legislature. People really support this guy?

[reality based]

1. I am awaiting his rationalization.

[Clintonista2]

3. And the "rationalization" of his supporters, too.

[Bluestar]

57. What's that? Crickets chirping?

[Clintonista2]

61. They haven't been told what to think yet, so most of them are just saying "It doesn't matter!!!"

[Bucky]

84. Hey I got a question. Are you really a Democrat?

You're supporting the person in the lead for the nomination. This is a time to act magnanimously and try and bring the rest of us around behind your candidate.

But instead, you engage in a juvenile, unsubstantiated, ad hominem cheap shot like "They haven't been told what to think yet." Now why, I ask myself, would a Clinton supporter try to start in early in a thread with gratuitous divisive language. How does the cheap shot name calling advance the interests of your candidate or your party?

I can't answer that for you. But I can tell you what childish divisiveness does to my party. Based on that evidence, the logical conclusion seems to be that we don't belong to the same party. However I hopefully and eagerly await you to post something to suggest to me that you are a Democrat and not just posting to help stir up resentments among Democrats.

[Clintonista2]

88. Why not ask the same question to the "I won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee" people

Their loyalty is never questioned.

[Bucky]

118. Frankly they're being sore losers. What I don't get is her fans being sore winners.

She isn't tacky or rude. What I'm asking is, why are you?

[Clintonista2]

124. Hey, I can handle the insults, can Obama supporters?

Some people can dish it out, but really can't take it.

[Bucky]

162. So your objective is to dish out insults? Well at least that answers my first question.

I don't care how you're registered. You don't have the interests of hte Democratic party at heart.

[Capn Sunshine]

184. WELL put!

I tray to stay out of these juvenile threads by the puppetshow, but it really makes it hard to work within the party with dolts like these alienating everyone who logs i nhere to read about politics.

It's almost as if they are from freereupchuck.com and here to stir up trouble.
Hey...:think:

[ProudDad]

170. They haven't "won" yet

and if they do, we'll all lose...

[JDPriestly]

Where does Obama stand on a woman's right to choose?

I have taken it for granted that all Democratic candidates support a woman's right to choose? Is there any doubt about any of them?

[Clintonista2]

6. Nobody knows, while in the Illinois legislature he voted "present" on every abortion bill

He evidently thinks it's better to be political than to protect a womans right to choose.

[Tom Joad]

71. hellery has done little to make abortion available for poor women

during mr. billy's tenure, the number of places that offered abortion dropped dramatically.
Sure didn't say much then.

[Clintonista2]

72. So wait, Hillary DOES get credit for what happened when Bill was in charge?

I'm a bit confused on this point. If something really bad happened during Bills presidency, Hillary is blamed. If something really good happened, we're told that Hillary "wasn't president so it doesn't count"

[ProudDad]

171. hillary actively fucked up health care reform

and she wasn't allowed to do anything else after that...

So, yep, I blame her for setting back progress on Health Care in this country by a couple of decades...

and I blame her for nothing else that her corporate backed husband did...

However, she's made it abundantly clear from her fund-raising and her triangulating, hot-air campaign that if we're unfortunate enough to see her elected, she would doubtless surpass her husband, Slick Willie, and become the best republican president the country ever had...

[beaconess]

138. That kind of childish namecalling doesn't help your argument or your cause

Certainly you can do better than the "nah nah nah she's a poopypants" approach.

[NYCGirl]

21. According to Project Vote Smart:

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2006.

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Planned Parenthood 100 percent in 2006.

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Family Planning & Reproductive Health Assocation 100 percent in 2005-2006.

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the National Right to Life Committee 0 percent in 2005-2006.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

2003 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council 100 percent in 2003.

2002 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Illinois Federation for Right to Life 50 percent in 2002.

2001 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council 100 percent in 2001.

1998 Based on voting records and a questionnaire given to all state legislative candidates in 1998, Illinois Citizens for Life 0 the views of Senator Obama to be in accordance with their own.

1997-2000 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Illinois Federation for Right to Life 0 percent in 1997-2000.

1997-1998 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council 100 percent in 1997-1998.

http://vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=9490

[Clintonista2]

34. dupe

[Clintonista2]

35. How did Obama vote on bills HB 382, SB 759, HB 854, HB 1900, SB 562, SB 1093, 1094, 1095, SB 609?

All of these are controversial bills (most of them related to abortion), that Obama voted "present" on. By the way, the list is much larger than that.

[BeyondGeography]

2. And your candidate's original stance on going to war with Iraq was?

[William769]

43. And what does that have to do with the OP, except maybe trying to deflect the issue?

[Clintonista2]

53. It's the only thing they have going for them. That's why you can't debate an Obama supporter

You: "So how is Obama's healthcare plan better than Hillary's?"
Them: IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[William769]

55. I think you posted to the wrong reply.

[Clintonista2]

56. No, I was explaining to you why they deflect they are deflecting the issue by bringing up Iraq

[William769]

58. My bad.

[againes654]

70. Mine was and has been the only

person against the war from the start. The only senator running for President to vote against any funding also

[acmavm]

4. What a gutless move.

[redqueen]

5. Indeed. n/t

[ellacott]

7. Was he in town for the vote?

[flpoljunkie]

9. I think Obama is on his way to the big fundraiser in Atlanta. Link below.

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/C2CATL?source=eventcenter

[Freddie Stubbs]

12. He should have been, as the Senate is in session today. Hillary was there

[BeyondGeography]

13. Hillary was there in 2002 as well

and here's what she said:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capabilities, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members."

[Clintonista2]

18. Dinner at the BeyondGeography home (as I've heard someone say)

Family member: How was your day today, BeyondGeography?
BeyondGeography: IRAQ!!!!
Family member: Oh umm.. would you like some potatoes?
BeyondGeography: IRAQ!!!!!!!
Family member: Umm ok, well do you thin..
BeyondGeography: IRAQ!!! IRAQ!!!! IRAQ!!!!


We know how Hillary voted 5 years ago. That doesn't change your candidates stubborn and cowardly refusal to vote on anything that would damage him politically.

[BeyondGeography]

39. If you think a pointless vote about an ad related to the war

carries equal weight to supporting the war in the first place, I can't help you.

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. He cast a vote on the previous amendment less than an hour earlier

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00343

Perhaps he was eating a big lunch.

[flpoljunkie]

8. I wish ALL the Dems would have refused to vote on Cornyn's shamelessly political amendment.

That said, I think Obama was probably on his way to the big fundraiser in Atlanta.

[ellacott]

11. I agree, more should have refused to vote on it

Biden didn't vote for it either

[gateley]

75. I'm interested to hear his take on it -- I'm already loving his no BS response. nt

[ellacott]

77. Me too

That's one of the things I like about Biden.

[ProudDad]

172. Good for him... (n/t)

[Clintonista2]

14. Oh, he was off fundraising instead of doing his job

That makes it all better. :eyes:

[ProudDad]

187. Yeah, hillary's all comes in over the transom

in brown, unmarked packages from her corporate friends...

So she can stay and vote for this kind of crap...

Triangulate, triangulate, triangulate...

That's the Amerikan Way!

[bcoylepa]

90. agree

they all should have refused to take part in the circus!

[quinnox]

10. Obama is not showing courage or leadership!

If Obama can't even be brave enough to cast a vote on this how can he be president of the United States of America.

It doesn't compute.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Courage and leadership on display in 2002 (when it mattered)

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capabilities, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members."

[quinnox]

19. yea, that tired ole thing, thats all you guys got on Hillary

She is not the originater of Bush's war no matter how you guys try to spin it and imply she was!

[Dawgs]

38. You're fucking kidding right?

She was exactly the originator of Bush's war. Without her vote, and the votes of others in Congress, we would not be in this war.

She supported it when many of us, including Barack Obama, were fighting against it.

Why is it no big deal to you?

[quinnox]

65. We have forgiven Hillary

Most of us realize nobody is perfect and mistakes are made. Hillary is all about the future, and not about the past.

Guess what - Obama ain't perfect either.

[Clintonista2]

67. "Hillary is all about the future, not the past", SO TRUE, too bad most people here only look back

Because it helps them politically.

[quinnox]

69. I agree

[ProudDad]

173. Not I, Not I -- I forgive no war mongers unless they change their ways (n/t)

[frylock]

175. that tired ole thing..

that's alls I need to know about clinton and her support group. she should NEVER be allowed to live that down, and trivializing it like you have in your post speaks FUCKING volumes.

[Clintonista2]

23. If this is your idea of damage control, then I would suggest that you stop posting

Obama not being in the senate in 2002 doesn't make up for his shameless performance today.

[WCGreen]

26. But he didn't have a vote....

So why do you keep bring that up...

He wasn't in the Senate...

IT's a specious, at best, argument...

[Clintonista2]

29. Read the quote from my sig, Obama admits that he doesnt know how he would have voted in 2002

[Dawgs]

And you Hillary supporters are claiming our argument is tired and dumb.

I will never let anyone forget that Hillary supported and helped to start the Iraq war.

[WCGreen]

54. It is a specius argument...

No matter what your tag line says...

[ellacott]

25. Brave enough to vote on this? that's interesting

This vote doesn't rise to the level of bravery or leadership. It's really not even that important of a vote. I'm disappointed that it passed but I'm more concerned with Bush invading Iran, the economy and global warming(among other things).

Biden didn't vote either.

You all just want to capitalize on what you think is a mistake my Obama.

Funny

[flpoljunkie]

27. Only political junkies like us have ever heard of the stupid MoveOn ad, and it was stupid!

[ShortnFiery]

16. So what ! I can't believe you are making hay with this - Billary gets $$$ from them more often so

excuse me if I think there's a GREED factor for HRC.

[wndycty]

17. How did Hillary vote?

Sincere question, I have been on a plane all morning.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. She voted against it

[wndycty]

24. Thanks

:kick:

[reality based]

28. Hillary and Dodd, nay! Biden and Obama did not vote.

[Clintonista2]

30. As someone mentioned above, Obama WAS in the senate during the vote too!

[reality based]

32. I note that Dick Durbin voted nay.

[Dawgs]

41. He's in Atlanta today. I'm going to see him at 4:30 (two hours from now).

[Clintonista2]

45. He cast another vote in the senate less than an hour earlier

Apparently MoveOn.org's right to free speech is not important enough to him to stay a bit longer.

[mark414]

31. nobody should've voted on this waste of time

[ellacott]

33. Yes, this was one of most stupid wastes of time for our legislatures

when we have some real issues that need to be addressed.

The only purpose for these stupid votes are political campaigns who will try to use it to praise condemn those for their vote.

I wish they would have introduced legislation about preventing Bush from invading Iran.

The moveon ad is a distraction just like the taser guy and OJ Simpson.

[Clintonista2]

36. The fact that this amendment was a waste of time, doesn't change how Obama didn't vote

[ellacott]

37. Of course it does, why waste more time?

It's not that big of a deal. Biden didn't vote either.

[Clintonista2]

40. If you are calling MoveOn's right to free speech a "waste of time"

Then maybe this isn't the forum for you.

[Dawgs]

42. Who's saying that?

Someone is DESPERATE!!!

[William769]

51. "Someone is DESPERATE!!!" You are correct.

Obama supporters! :rofl:

[ellacott]

63. No, zealot supporters

Almost every candidate seems to have them.

This is probably why we can't seem to win more elections.

[ellacott]

46. You are really reaching now.

Stop it.

Now you are trying to regulate MY free speech. Too funny.


This is from one of your posts
The fact that this amendment was a waste of time..

Sounds like you feel it's a waste of time also.

[Clintonista2]

47. Please quote what I said FULLY, I know how you enjoy taking things out of context

[ellacott]

50. You don't know much about me

I've taken nothing out of context. I quoted what you said.

[William769]

64. "Yes, this was one of most stupid wastes of time for our legislatures"

I hate to nit pick, but thats your quote.

[ellacott]

68. Yes, I said it ,I don't understand what you are trying to say

I never denied saying it. I believe I may have said it more than once in this thread.

[beaconess]

140. What does this have to do with MoveOn's right to free speech?

[mark414]

49. criticizing somebody for not doing something that never should've happened in the first place...

is kind of like buying somebody a 12 pack of beer and then criticizing them for being drunk

[AtomicKitten]

44. What opportunistic crap this is coming from a Hillary supporter.

Perhaps he had a damn good reason for not being there.

Condemn first, ignore the explanation later. :eyes:

Still waiting for a cohesive explanation for that slippery HRC IWR vote.

[Clintonista2]

48. He was there, he voted on another amendment less than an hour earlier

[AtomicKitten]

52. He has a rally in Atlanta, Georgia at 4:30 P.M. today.

[jefferson_dem]

59. Yes, he does...and i'm on the way to be with him right now.

I'll tell him you and Lirwin say ":hi:"...

[AtomicKitten]

62. please report back on it

cheers!

[William769]

80. So a rally is more important than a vote?

:wow:

[AtomicKitten]

81. The Dems en masse should have called BS on that lame vote.

Although the melodrama here at DU and lame pretense for bashing made with a straight face is always entertaining.

[William769]

82. I'd say the melodrama seems to be coming from Obama supporters.

[AtomicKitten]

83. riiiiiight

The nitpicking of these imaginary crimes is done by you and yours to bash. Most of it makes no damn sense to a reasonable person, but I digress as that is the answer to the question.

Just remember, there's no sniveling in politics and heads-up for what goes around coming around.

[William769]

"there's no sniveling in politics and heads-up for what goes around coming around"

No one knows that better than me.

Good luck with your next deflection, your gonna need it.

[AtomicKitten]

92. HRC supporters have convinced me to not support her.

Thanks for that, and well done!

:applause:

[William769]

95. If thats what convinced you, then I feel sorry for you.

[AtomicKitten]

99. Yes, HRC supporters' behavior here is appalling.

[William769]

102. Someone who bases their civic vote on what you said is not only appalling

It's pitiful.

[AtomicKitten]

110. your faux outrage is magnificent!!!

[William769]

113. It's not outrage.

It's pity on Obama supporters who can't see the real him.

[NYCGirl]

127. The faux outrage is not only magnificent...

it's HUGH!!11


:hi:

[William769]

132. What outrage?

:hi:

[Clintonista2]

136. Faux democrats are gross, too

How are you today, NYC "I wont vote for Hillary if she's the nominee" Girl?

[NYCGirl]

151. I never said that EVER, BTW. You're making things up.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[AtomicKitten]

148. It's freakin' spectacular!

[Clintonista2]

85. I wonder if Obama will be paid by the taxpayers for today

It would be shameful to think that he's being paid by the taxpayers while skipping out on votes like this.

[William769]

87. Well he gets his security paid by the taxpayers, why not?

[AtomicKitten]

89. Shameful? You mean like HRC's IWR vote?

Now THAT was a shameful vote.

I'll be sure to alert the media that you don't think the Senators running for office should be paid. Of course you mean only Obama, but, hey, let's spread the wealth of your wisdom and dock 'em all.

[Clintonista2]

91. Once again, your attempt to deflect the issue fails.

You really are bad at this, aren't you?

[AtomicKitten]

94. And where did you end up talking about the Move.On vote?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm? Oh yeah, that's right. Trashing Obama.

[Clintonista2]

101. That makes zero sense

[AtomicKitten]

112. Yes, your faux outrage is the pinnacle of sense.

:sarcasm:

[Clintonista2]

114. Zing!

Atomickittens "wit", once again proven to be only a word.

[AtomicKitten]

119. and personal insults don't win your argument

[Clintonista2]

121. What's the argument?

Obama decided not to show up to this vote, because it hurts him politically. You can take that however you wish.

[AtomicKitten]

137. and you are just pulling stuff out of your arse in desperation.

Obama decided not to show up to this vote, because it hurts him politically.

Wow, thanks Mr. Wizard. You have a gift of mindless extrapolation. But you do it on behalf of your candidate so I'm sure you'll rationalize it as being perfectly OK to just make sh*t up. Oy vey.

[Clintonista2]

139. Wow, you're pretty e-raged right now, aren't you?

Why so worked up, if Obama truly did nothing wrong?

[AtomicKitten]

144. Your faux outrage is spectacular!

:rofl:

[William769]

97. There we go with the deflection again.

[AtomicKitten]

100. Yes, after you moved off-topic to bash Obama, you do appear to have lost your way.

[Clintonista2]

103. Read the OP, the topic is Obama not voting

You were the one who turned it into Iraq.

[William769]

105. She knows that, she's backed in a corner.

And what does a rat do when backed into a corner?

[AtomicKitten]

A "rat" trashes someone over nothing.

[William769]

111. I do look very pretty thanks for the mirror so I can admire myself.

[AtomicKitten]

106. and we all know why you don't want to talk about that --- right??!!

Your ham-handed attempt to trash Obama for this only works on you and your crew. And please keep it up. It always backfires in your candidate's face.

[William769]

108. Where has it backfired?

Whos' leading who?

[Clintonista2]

115. POLLS DONT COUNT! POLLS DONT COUNT!!

...unless Obama is in first, of course!

[William769]

120. Well then I guess, polls don't count.

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

122. LOL

[AtomicKitten]

123. Your ugly behavior is adding fuel to the pledge by many to NEVER vote for HRC

Keep up the good work.

Now THAT'S funny.

[William769]

125. Now thats funny.

People pledging to never to vote for HRC because of me is nothing but a liar.

[AtomicKitten]

129. wanna try that in English?

People pledging to never to vote for HRC because of me is nothing but a liar.

[William769]

134. What part did you not understand?

[Clintonista2]

143. Keep it at a two syllable max

Then maybe you wont have to repeat yourself.

[William769]

145. Well that would probably help her.

Thanks for the tip.

[AtomicKitten]

152. I didn't realize two people agreeing on an illiterate sentence --

magically renders it literate.

People pledging to never to vote for HRC because of me is nothing but a liar.

Oh wait, it doesn't.

:rofl:

[William769]

154. Does not change the subject though.

If someone wants to be branded a liar then so be it. Now go ahead and roll on the floor laughing at that one.

[AtomicKitten]

155. Where did the accusation of "liar" enter into your temper tantrum?

You make no sense; who the hell are you even talking about? Jeez, that's what happens when you go on a bender trying to trash someone without cause.

[William769]

156. Then your comprehension is not what you think it is.

If it were, you would know.

[AtomicKitten]

159. My comprehension is fine -- you have already proved yours is not.

If you are calling people that have pledged to NEVER vote for Hillary liars, that makes NO SENSE. What are they lying about? If that is an attempted dig at me, I have stated here consistently that I will support the nominee whoever that is.

You are just spinning your wheels now.

[William769]

161. Who's spinning their wheels? or it is your comprehension, or is it your just not truthful?

"HRC supporters have convinced me to not support her." Is that not a quote from you?

[AtomicKitten]

163. You aren't helping her cause.

And, yes, the behavior of some of the HRC supporters (with some notable but too few exceptions) was the piece de resistance that made me realize I want as far away from that ugliness as possible. Pat yourself (the collective yourself) on the back for that. It was quite a journey for me going from defending her for two years to choosing someone else. Well done.

[William769]

164. So now your saying, you really didn't mean post#159?

Please some clarification would be nice.

[AtomicKitten]

165. I already explained myself -- if you have questions of those --

... that will not vote for Hillary no matter what, ask them.

You are conflating two different entities.

[William769]

166. No, you keep changing the subject when you get busted.

But then again thats what I would expect from you.

[AtomicKitten]

167. You must be speaking Japanese because you make ZERO sense in English.

Devolving into a personal insult is pretty much what I expect from you. And, so sorry, but personal insults don't make your argument, whatever that argument is since you make absolutely no sense.

If you can formulate a cohesive question, please feel free to get back to us on it. :hi:

[William769]

168. There you go with changing the subject again.

[AtomicKitten]

169. Clue phone for Billy769: Your "subject" is as slick as snot on a porcelain doorknob.

What exactly is the subject I allegedly keep changing? I don't even know what the hell you are talking about because you keep moving the goal posts. It's pretty clear you are behaving like a jackass now because it's all you've got. But, again, I'm not interested in swapping insults with you - yawn - but I will be happy to humor you and answer an actual cohesive question. Put your thinking cap on and bear down hard:

[AtomicKitten]

147. dupe

[Clintonista2]

126. Hillary has enough support, thanks

I don't think the 12 "I WONT VOTE FOR HER EVER" people on DU make much of a difference.

[AtomicKitten]

130. Think again. This election will be won state-by-state.

Which explains why you resent Obama campaigning. Ha!

[Clintonista2]

131. Obama seems to be the only candidate who is actually *hurt* by campaigning

Since he campaigns while he's supposed to be voting.

[AtomicKitten]

142. so sayeth the sphincter police

[Clintonista2]

109. If you choose to take Obama's own actions as "trashing" him, that's your choice

It wasnt me who made him not vote.

[AtomicKitten]

128. Obama did nothing wrong.

Nice try. But please keep it up.
Your ugly behavior is cementing pledges to NEVER vote for HRC. That is on you. Thanks!

[frylock]

177. hillary is about the future..

please disregard that vote and anything else she may have been "misled" on.

[benny05]

60. He's in Atlanta for 2 major fundraisers

Same reason why he's not going to the AARP debate tonight either. I guess Obama is far more comfortable with celebrities than regular people.

[AtomicKitten]

66. your guess would be wrong

opportunistic, ridiculous, AND wrong

I guess Obama is far more comfortable with celebrities than regular people.

[benny05]

73. Explain then why he is skipping out on the debates

Except the DNC sponsored ones?

[AtomicKitten]

76. he has two functions scheduled today in Atlanta

Your allegation appears to assign false criteria (DNC-sponsored vs not) to the fact that he missed a vote today and is not attending the AARP debate, when the truth is he has a huge rally in Atlanta scheduled.

All the candidates running for president have their plates full, and it is nothing short of gratuitous opportunism arbitrarily assigning negative connotations to that.

[benny05]

78. If you wish to get more precise

Obama skipped out because he had a rally in SC first, then two fundraisers.

My assertion is that while he has more than enough money in the bank, he is star-struck and prefers fund raising instead of going to debates such as the AARP. This debate was scheduled on July 2nd and these rallies were not. He made the decision in August to blow this debate and others off. He does not have the stamina, which is going to catch with up with him. Majority of the Iowa Steak Fry goers were older voters.

[AtomicKitten]

79. I often at the marvel at the fact that some people object --

to the actual machinations of running for president. Obama has done nothing wrong. All the candidates are raising money because it's necessary, and it's necessary because of the system.

I'm sorry Obama isn't jumping through hoops to suit you, but he is doing the hard work of running for national office. Free speech allows you to assign all kinds of random negative connotations to that to riff on, but it's pretty transparent: Your complaint against him is baseless and opportunistic, but so very DU.

[Clintonista2]

86. Is he being paid for his "work" in the senate today?

I know that if I were to skip out on work, they wouldn't pay me.

[AtomicKitten]

96. Waaaaaaaaaa!!!!

[Clintonista2]

98. Yea well, I know how much "respect" you and your candidate have for working people

...none

[AtomicKitten]

104. wow, that's that's as lame as it is anorexic

:nopity:

[Catchawave]

107. Well stated.....

and...he prefers celebrities more than real people. Not that I blame him, I'd rather go to a fun Hollywood party than answer "hard" questions about the future of my country.

Is there anything of substance over style about this guy? Even the DU Obama forum (donor star required, donate today!) enjoys hitting on Edwards more than discussing Obama's HopeChangeHopeHopeChange policies. Derrrrr.

American Idol, indeed.

[AtomicKitten]

116. pile-on on the spurious accusation --

truly an exercise in the blind leading the blind.

Now remember, there is no sniveling in politics, so when your guy is dumped on in this ridiculous manner, buck up and deal.

Bookmarked.

[Catchawave]

133. At least my guy has cajones ....

and what is this pile on you speak of? Lack of them ?

Obama lives in Disney World, Edwards in NOLA. Bookmark that :evilgrin:

[AtomicKitten]

141. Cajones? Is that what you call saying whatever it takes to lead the parade?

Yeah, he had the cajones to co-sponsor the IWR and rally for the war.
His cajones got his Op-Ed rallying for the war on the State Department's website.
His cajones caused him to vote for the bankruptcy bill.

Cajones? Nah, it's political expediency. Just as long as Edwards is in front of the parade, he apparently doesn't much care which way it's headed, but damn if he won't get all sincere-like and damn if some folks don't buy it every single time he changes direction
just like this ...

[Catchawave]

150. Got anything more current than that....really

I like talking in the present, and you? Knee-capping is so junior high/sopranos, and people wonder why DU's going into the toilet.

:shrug: Obama's cajones are on the Senate Floor and somewhere in Iowa right now....deal with it.

[AtomicKitten]

153. Delude yourself on the IWR all you like --

Those with a conscience will not.

Obama on this Move.On vote:

"The focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements," Obama says. "This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq. It's precisely this kind of political game-playing that makes most Americans cynical about Washington's ability to solve America's problems. By not casting a vote, I registered my protest against this empty politics. I registered my views on the ad itself the day it appeared.

Obama goes on to say, "All of us respect the service of General Petraeus and all of our brave men and women in uniform. The way to honor that service is to give them a mission that is responsible, not to vote on amendments like the Cornyn amendment while we continue to pursue the wrong policy in Iraq."

[Catchawave]

157. Fine...IWR crap means you've been to all the war protests?

And Obama's statement will not win hero points either. He's playing the Hillary card, she voted "no".

Elizabeth E. made a statement over a week ago, she was villified on DU also.

Good grief people, let's get more votes for the GOP :party:

[AtomicKitten]

160. We have devolved to a point where apparently --

Dem candidates we don't support even breathe wrong. It's all bullshit. All around.

But if you are going to pile-on the bullshit like this lame exercise in gratuitous bashing, expect to have something lobbed back at you. It's convenient when called on it to divert attention, this time at the GOP, and I agree that is where it rightfully belongs, but you can't reasonably complain when you voluntarily jumped in with your nasty remarks about Obama.

[Catchawave]

176. Then you must realize what a "Senate Protest Vote" means ?

You don't send out a chest thumping campaign letter 3 hours after the vote. You bleed on the Senate floor and drag your bloody stump into the Senate cloakroom.

And you bleed some more, ONLY THEN does your protest vote mean anything.

Have you been to a peace march or a Yearly Kos event yet....didn't think so :hi:

[AtomicKitten]

178. Contrary to the sphincter police here, it was a bullshit vote perpetrated by the GOP.

But I suspect you already know that because I've read your retorts when similar specious arguments are lodged against your candidate (i.e., house, haircut, etc.).

Have you been to a peace march or a Yearly Kos event yet....didn't think so

You know nothing about me, so your lame comment is not only false but presumptuous. But I suspect you already know that too. And this has what to do with the conversation exactly? Subterfuge, that's all it is.

I used to sympathize with other candidates when bashers disrupt the conversation, but with this kind of input from you and people like you, I am tending to let it slide because what goes around comes around, and you're going to have dig deeper in that gutter to take down Obama. Your cheesy efforts are duly noted.

[Catchawave]

180. I rest my case n/t

[AtomicKitten]

181. Do tell, oh Queen of Bashing.

Just remember no sniveling when DU'ers pound on Edwards because
what you dish out WILL come around and smack you upside the head.
Bam.

[Lord Helmet]

182. why do you even respond to those idiots?

[Clintonista2]

186. "You're an idiot"- How typical

[flpoljunkie]

74. Actually, he's scheduled for noon SC townhall, cancelled last night so Obama could vote for Webb's

amendment : "To specify minimum periods between deployment of units and members of the Armed Forces deployed for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom."

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00341

Freedom Center, Rock Hill, SC // 12:00 PM ET
Barack Obama Town Hall - Rock Hill, SC

Barack Obama holds a town hall meeting in Rock Hill, South Carolina.

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/calendar/2007/09/barack_obama_town_hall_rock_hi.php

[killbotfactory]

93. Who gives a shit about the stupid ad

Obama shouldn't have an obligation to humor every dumbass republican bill like this one.

[AtomicKitten]

117. You are absolutely correct.

This whole thing was GOP birthed and exploited, and similar exploitation goes on here by a few desperate types.

[JI7]

135. he was the first one to comment on Jena

that matters to me a lot more than what he has to say about some stupid ad.

[Clintonista2]

146. Actually, Hillary released her statement on Jena a while back

Long before Obama

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3264

[JI7]

149. Obama's support goes back to at least AUgust

not that it matters too much about "who was first". but just as this stupid move on shit shouldn't be some huge test on who is a leader.

[LittleClarkie]

158. Your partisan bias is showing. You might wanna tuck that in. It's not attractive

I'm not going to base my primary vote on just THAT.

[ProudDad]

174. hillBots are the BEST argument there is against allowing hillary to be pres. (n/t)

[AtomicKitten]

179. ain't that the truth! (nt)

[Forkboy]

183. Got that right.

[calteacherguy]

185. It's exactly the right move by Obama. Hillary was stupid to fall into such a trap.

It's nonsense to lower oneself and the senate to such a level. Kudos to Obama for speaking out and abstaining in protest. Also to Biden, who I believe also abstained.