I think you all need to realize that Larry Craig did NOT cheat on his wife

[underpants]

Vitter got caught pay for sex yes but paying for sex with women. He DID cheat on his wife there is no doubt about that.

Craig's had to do with men but he didn't actually do a sexual act

Craig didn't last a week once it got out.

You can't have a clearer picture of their hate.

[TwilightGardener]

1. A married man trolling for sex with men isn't cheating? I beg to differ.

[ellenfl]

i beg to differ, too. gender makes no difference, imo.

he didn't get caught having sex . . . this time. i have no doubt his cruising was successful in the past.

the point of it all is not the sex, per se, but the hypocrisy and, for his family, the cheating.

ellen fl

[mzteris]

4. I think his point is

that the particular incidents -

Vitter - heterosexual sex with prostitute
Craig - solicitation of homosexual sex (but no actual sex) .

Vitter's still there. Craig's outta there.

What's the glaring difference?

Het vs. same sex

Hatred against gays is alive and well. :(

[SeattleVet]

22. What's the glaring difference?

Democratic governor vs. repuke governor.

The (R) gets to appoint Craig's replacement. The (D) would have appointed Vitter's replacement, and the repukes would have lost another seat (prior to the 2008 elections when they will lose a lot of additional seats.)

[mzteris]

35. ok - another good point -

but these ARE republicans we're, talking about.

And what about the "outrage" and "media' factor - surely that had nothing to do with who the gov is.

[rocktivity]

24. DING DING DING! Mzteris, you're our grand prize winner!

Vitter...sex with prostitute
Craig...(...no actual sex).
Vitter's still there. Craig's outta there.
What's the glaring difference?

According to the Rethugs, the difference is that Craig been charged and convicted; Vitter hasn't. Okay, then--how do they explain BILL CLINTON not being charged or convicted of "actual" sex, but not letting that stop them from trying to get HIM outta there? Technically, what Vitter did IS worse than what Craig did--but that's okay because Vitter DIDN'T GET CAUGHT BY THE POLICE?

:crazy:
rocknation

[ecstatic]

29. Do you really think Craig was not successful in the past

That this just happened to be his first (and last) time trolling stalls?

[mzteris]

36. of course not -

but we're talking "facts in evidence" here, not strictly conjecture, right?

[underpants]

9. He didn't actually have sex

by any stretch of the imagination. Yes he was clearly looking for it and admitted to such but he didn't actually have sex of any kind or form.

[sandnsea]

14. He didn't admit to anything

Where did you get that?

You think this is the first time he went in a bathroom and tapped his feet?

I don't know why people are defending this guy.

[niceypoo]

20. Do you think this was his first attempt at a toilet sex encounter?

The man knew the signal codes. How many hundreds of times did he engage in this before he got caught? It's ignorant to think it was a one time thing.

[SacredCow]

23. I agree....

If it all went down as the officer described, he sounded pretty well-versed in the "etiquitte" to me. I don't do such things, but know quite a few guys that do (for reasons I don't fathom in this day and age). 30-plus years ago, I can maybe cut some slack but not now.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't know any guys (straight, gay, or anywhere in between) that, when sitting in a public restroom stall for its intended purpose, would allow their foot to slide into the next stall. Personally, I wish the dividers went all the way to the floor. And who picks up things on a filthy public restroom floor?? I mean, BESIDES 3-year-olds??? I dropped a dollar bill in a not-so-clean stall once, and there it stayed.

[Hepburn]

21. Being "unfaithful" is being "unfaithful"....

...no matter what the sex of the other person is.

Of course Craig cheated on his wife....just soliciting someone else for a sexual encounter ~~ whether it takes place or not ~~ in and of itself is NOT being faithful.

JMHO

[hlthe2b]

2. Are we going to devine again what constitutes sexual activity?

That's so 1990s, isn't it? LOL

But, I must agree with those saying that engaging in any sexual activity outside marriage is, in my mind, adultery.

I do agree with your point that this double standard being promulgated with respect to Craig versus Vitter is based on hate and rampant homophobia.

[underpants]

7. What, like with my Canadian girlfriend

I don't think that anyone would really think that Craig "got any" that day in Minneapolis

[hlthe2b]

13. yes? What's your Canadian girlfriend think of the subject?

But, no, I agree, Craig did not get "lucky" in any sense of the word that day in Minneapolis.

[Quantess]

25. Not that day, sure.

How about the day before?

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. I've got no double standard. Vitter should be gone, too. nt

[hlthe2b]

19. No, the double standard is on the part of the REPUGS...

clearly...

[bullimiami]

3. larry craig is a lying hypocrite.

it stretches the bounds of reality to believe this was the first time and he just somehow recently learned all of the codes to cruise the restrooms.
no. he is experienced.

[underpants]

5. Yes I know but we don't have any proof of it

We have proof and a guilty plea on this one incident.

[bullimiami]

40. he was charged, he pled guilty. that is proof.

he could have gone to court. he knew he was guilty. anyone with any sense knows he did it and it sure doesnt seem like the first time.
he is a lying POS bastard with no remorse, no morals and no conscience.

[Maat]

6. I think that the point is ... what I would do to my partner/spouse ..

in this case, my husband, if I caught him doing what Larry Craig did ... and it wouldn't be pretty.

On edit:
I agree that Larry's just a big, ol' typical Rethuglican hypocrite; and, it's good he's out of office BECAUSE of his disgusting voting record.

I'm Vice President of my local PFLAG (Parents, Family, Friends of Lesbians and Gays), and my GLBT friends have been giving quite an education on how it feels to be GLBT during this 'Craig scandal.'

[underpants]

8. Oh yes

That would be "awkward" to say the least but I meant in terms of how the two were treated within their party.

[Maat]

11. Yes, I reminded my pals that it wasn't me trying to get Craig to resign ..

at least re the 'scandal.' It was a bunch of bigoted Rethuglicans playing to their Religious Ultra-right base. That's my humble opinion, anyway.

I'm glad he's gone from Congress, however (hateful man).

[HereSince1628]

10. Personally I think the GOP was ready and willing to throw him under the bus

In large part I think it was a mulligan for the Foley incident last fall.

They played the Foley incident very poorly this time they wanted to respond quickly and decisively.

[sandnsea]

12. Idaho Rep Gov

You can make it all about a double-standard if you want; but it's much more about power.

And you can minimize and rationalize bathroom sex all you want - the majority of Americans will always find it repulsive.

[Kelly Rupert]

18. Indeed.

Craig's replacement will be a Rep. Vitter's replacement would be a Dem. Nothing about hate. Just about power.

[RaleighNCDUer]

15. He never cheated, but somehow knew all the covert codes for

establishing a sexual assignation in a restroom.

:eyes:

[Kelly Rupert]

16. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Craig

never successfully managed to solicit sex from a man.

[cd3dem]

26. heterosexual adultery is forgivable... IF you are a republican

homosexual infidelity is never forgivable...

democrats don't believe in God and do not pray for forgiveness so we are never forgivable... straight or gay...

[Quantess]

28. I wonder if David Vitter got down on his knees & prayed forgiveness in his diapers?

"Dear Lord, please help me overcome my diaper sex fetish!":rofl:

I wonder if his wife put him on the potty, so to speak?
:rofl:

(David Vitter's penchant for kinky diaper sex never gets old, to me, anyway!)

[cd3dem]

31. wouldn't have anything to do with the party of the governor for each state...

the republicans are probably giving him the benefit of the doubt because incontinence is an ailment.... wouldn't have anything to do with the party of the governor for each state... or the orientation...





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Vitter

"Same-sex marriage

Vitter believes strongly that marriage is a sacred vow between a man and a woman. In 2003, Vitter proposed to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban same sex marriages.<13> In 2004, he said, "This is a real outrage. The Hollywood left is redefining the most basic institution in human history...We need a U.S. Senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts’s values."<14> In June 2006, he said "I don't believe there's any issue that's more important than this one ... I think this debate is very healthy, and it's winning a lot of hearts and minds. I think we're going to show real progress."<15> In 2006, he told The Times-Picayune, “I’m a conservative who opposes radically redefining marriage, the most important social institution in human history.”<16>

In October 2005, at a Lafayette Parish Republican Executive Committee luncheon, Vitter compared gay marriage to hurricanes Katrina and Rita, which came through the same geographical areas. Vitter said "It's the crossroads where Katrina meets Rita. I always knew I was against same-sex unions." <17>...

D.C. Madam controversy...

...Maier said that Vitter "was not a freak. He was not into anything unusual or kinky or weird," and that he favored one prostitute in particular, Wendy Cortez,...

In May 1999, Vitter replaced Congressman Bob Livingston after Livingston resigned due to an adultery scandal.<1><37><16> Vitter said about Livingston's decision to resign, "It's obviously a tremendous loss for the state .... I think Livingston's stepping down makes a very powerful argument that Clinton should resign as well and move beyond this mess," referring to the Monica Lewinsky scandal of President Bill Clinton.<38> In 2000, his wife, Wendy Vitter, commenting on the same scandal, said, "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me," referring to the incident of Lorena Bobbitt severing the penis of her husband and to Clinton's wife, Hillary Clinton.<37>

Reaction

While the Lousiana state Republican Party offered guarded support,<39> national Republicans offered forgiveness.<40> <40> The liberal magazine, The Nation, predicted that the Republican Party would be in a "forgiving mood" pointing out if Vitter did step down, Democratic Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco would likely appoint a Democrat to take Vitter's place until a special election took place, thus increasing Democratic control over the Senate.<41>"




DON'T CHOP OFF SEN. DAVID VITTER'S PENIS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A39J32gPxU

[cd3dem]

34. David-Vitter-Diaper-Boy-cop

http://www.flickr.com/photos/marksbikes/785313316/

[ingac70]

27. He was caught looking to cheat...

same thing as cheating!

**Not to mention the rumors swirling for the last year, before he was caught, that he gave blow jobs to strangers in Union Station.

[tekisui]

30. Craig was arrested and pled guilty. Also the govenors

[DrDan]

32. uh . . . 'scuse me . . . but do you think this is the extent of his trolling activities?

[underpants]

39. You can't be convicted on general principle

okay Scott Peterson WAS convicted of basically being a slimeball but for the most part you have to be convicted (or plead) to a specific offense (specific time date occurence etc.)

No I have no doubt that he either had been successful or at least he had done that before but we don't KNOW about any other incidents.

[cd3dem]

33. but Craig says he is not gay

[Renegade Six]

37. It is cheating IMHO

Cheating on a spouse does not have to involve sex.

[snowbear]

38. Yup....

It is cheating.

And I'm sure when he and his wife are alone - without the glare of the media - she let's him know how she feels about it...