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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:32 PM
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Here they go again....
Recommending again that we must fall for the tough on National Security stuff. And from what I am reading it is not just the New Dems but the Blue Dogs who are going along with giving Bush money to expand his war to Iran.

They do not stand up and say Bush is lying, and they will not confront him. They are going to go right along with Bush on attacking Iran.

From the DLC's Ideas Primary website, another article about how we must prove ourselves on National Security. Not a word about telling people we got lied to war and that we are losing. Have lost. Just give in. Let Bush paint us into the corner again.

If they keep this stuff up we are going to lose again. No one wants to tell the truth, they just want to react to Bush's terror machine.

Security: The Key To Democratic Victory

Every presidential election cycle, our candidates and punditry boast about our double-digit polling advantage on health care, creating and keeping good jobs in our country, Social Security, education, the environment and a host of other domestic issues - advantages that actually increase significantly when we add the words for working people like you after each of those issues.

We structure our messaging and campaigns on that supposed competitive advantage. And, unfortunately, the first Wednesday in November, we lick our wounds and end up asking: What happened?

The answer is simple. As important as economic and social issues are, and as much as the electorate trust Democrats to be on their side on those issues, the voters in that sliver in the middle - the ones who have been deciding national elections - are concerned about their security first.


No, that is not true. Harold Schaitberger is wrong. People are tired of this war, of the killing, of the dying, and they are sick of Bush's rhetoric.

What is with these Democrats who can't see what they are doing to the party? They are sounding just like George Bush.


Domestically, we must champion law and order policies that secure our borders and protect our cities and towns. We must be tough on crime and demand that resources are allocated to keep our communities safe. Democrats must assure voters that the federal government will finally have the funds needed to respond swiftly and effectively to man-made and natural disasters.

Until Democratic candidates break through the security barrier, the other issues wont matter. And as it relates to who will occupy the White House the first Wednesday in November will continue to be a very sad day.


Tired of this tough stuff. Democrats won't "break though the security barrier" until they tell the truth about Bush' lies.

Here we go again...fear and terror from the Democrats. How about stop playing to the "sliver in the middle" and play to your base?





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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:38 PM
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1. "if they keep this stuff up, we're going to lose again."
It really is just as simple as that.

It's been quite a long time since a national election
so clearly showed THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE like 2006 did.

And they're flying in the face of that WILL by trying to
keep playing the same old "business as usual" politcs.

Our nation suffers; the WORLD suffers...and these POLITICIANS
play their same litle games.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:44 PM
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2. The only thing these people are interested in securing is the establishment's corporate cash. n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 04:46 PM
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3. If you read the entire article, he rightfully says "to win, Democrats must fight back."
The GOP concentrates on painting Democrats as the little sisters of the weak, which is smart because they know the polling says they have an advantage in that regard.

But, in the absence of a Democratic message to the contrary or, at least, a strong tack to bolster their own record on protecting our nation, the Republicans are getting a free ride on the security issue, so it works. Examples abound from swift boating Kerry to the shameless attacks on Max Clelands patriotism.

The sad irony is that historically, Democrats have a stronger record on supporting and funding the programs that protect Americans in America. From FDR battling Republican isolationists in the war against fascism, to Harry Truman making a courageous stand against communism, to JFK easing the missile gap created during the Eisenhower administration, to today, where George W. Bush continually proposes billions more in funding an endless war in Iraq while cutting homeland security programs.

On these issues, Democrats have been the party of strength.

To win, Democrats must make fight back.

Its important to say, Those wearing the uniform of this country will not be sent into battle without the body armor and equipment they need to protect themselves.

Its important to assure voters that our military will be second to none and that our foreign policy will be robust and place the interests of our national security above all else.

Domestically, we must champion law and order policies that secure our borders and protect our cities and towns. We must be tough on crime and demand that resources are allocated to keep our communities safe. Democrats must assure voters that the federal government will finally have the funds needed to respond swiftly and effectively to man-made and natural disasters.

Until Democratic candidates break through the security barrier, the other issues wont matter. And as it relates to who will occupy the White House the first Wednesday in November will continue to be a very sad day.

http://www.ideasprimary.com/?p=286


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:28 PM
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4. "Until Democratic candidates break through the security barrier, the other issues wont matter"
He is saying National Security above all.

Not true GOP is getting a free ride. Our Democrats are about to sell the store to Bush in the name of appearing strong.

"But, in the absence of a Democratic message to the contrary or, at least, a strong tack to bolster their own record on protecting our nation, the Republicans are getting a free ride on the security issue, so it works."

They are putting out the message they are strong, but in the wrong way. They are doing it by letting Bush knew he can have all the money he needs. They are talking big on Iran. I fear our Democrats are for attacking Iran.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 05:02 PM
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6. But he's absolutely right when he says, "To win, Dems must fight back." They folded on Iraq--didn't
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 05:08 PM by flpoljunkie
fight back. They shamelessly caved in to Bush so they would not look weak on national security, instead of standing up and calling "bullshit" and "are you crazy?" Let's finish the job in Afghanistan first!

We need more Russ Feingolds in the Senate!

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 05:47 PM
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5. 9/11 happened on their watch, and they never caught the mastermind.
Simple as that.
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