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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:51 AM
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As John Lennon once said, strange days indeed
A candidate, on DemocraticUnderground, is being commended for Sister Souljah moments and for being most favored by CEOs.

Most peculiar, mamma, whoa!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:10 AM
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1. LOL! That's what we call "new politics"...
Get used to it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:12 AM
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2. you mean "New Democrat" politics. Have him officially join the DLC and make an honest man of him
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:00 AM
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3. He Doesn't Love War
I don't think they'd let him in.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:42 AM
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7. Obama will continue the Bush/Cheney agenda and that is WAR!
we've posted numerous statements on Obama's increasing troops and continued aggression in the ME..

Your farcical comments continue to tow the line of denial of what and who your candidate truly represents.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:56 AM
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8. That is what Hillary has been pushing. She even took up for the war stating it was going well.
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 09:57 AM by Ethelk2044
Then she tried to back track once she realized she made a mistake for speaking what she believes. He is the one who has been against it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:06 AM
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9. Are you going to vote for whoever is the Dem nominee?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:43 AM
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10. Then why did he vote to fund it most of the time?
Stop deluding yourself.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:42 PM
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11. Obama's Clearly On Record As Being Against Starting The War
Mrs. Clinton voted to start for this war.

Once war begins, everything changes - as Colin Powell said, "We break it - we own it".

I'm not necessarily in agreement with the previous efforts to fund the war - but I'm not sure that they were wrong either (except in retrospect, which makes everything crystal clear).
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:42 PM
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13. What he DOES is more important than what he SAYS
Tell me, if he's been "against the war from the start", then why did he SPEAK OUT AGAINST and VOTE AGAINST the Kerry-Feingold amendment, which would have funded troop withdrawls? No Obama supporter to date has ever been able to answer that question.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:50 PM
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14. As I Said, Everything Changed Once We Started The War
Going to war vs. not going to war was a crystal clear vote. Once we were there, the choices were not clear at all.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:53 PM
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15. So we shouldn't bring the troops home?
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 06:57 PM by Lirwin2
Very sad to be reading that, on DU of all places. By the way, that amendment was introduced in 2006, 3 years after the start of the war. You're telling me that after 3 years there were no clear choices? Funny how it's only taken him 4 years to realize that a troop withdrawl is the solution. So much for "against the war from the beginning", eh?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:53 PM
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16. You know that Obama has long held that we need to be as responsible leaving Iraq
as we were irresponsible going in. Cleaning up Chimpy's clusterfuck in Iraq (that Hillary rubber-stamped) is not easy, y'know...
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:46 PM
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19. Are you familiar with the Kerry-Feingold amendment?
It funded phased redeployment of American troops over the course of a year. Soon after announcing his candidacy for the presidency, he said he would introduce legislation calling for... phased redeployment of American troops (http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/01/obamas_turn_says_hell_introduce_iraq_legislation_calling_for_phased_withdrawal.php). What changed? I think you know the answer to that one.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:32 PM
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17. Yes, That's Exactly What I Said...
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 08:37 PM by MannyGoldstein
...not.

This might be helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:29 AM
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4. Uh, no.
Obama emphasizes that Most Americans fundamentally agree on most things AND MOST OF THOSE THINGS WE AGREE ON ARE PROGRESSIVE. That's quite a bit different from DLC fake "bipartisanship".
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:48 AM
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5. So, Sister Souljah moments aren't commendable? n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:31 AM
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6. I love that tune...fun to play on guitar
Nobody Told Me-John Lennon

Everybody's talking and no one says a word
Everybody's making love and no one really cares
There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs

/ A Asus2 D D6D / / A E D Bm /

There's always something happening and nothin' going on
There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
They're starving back in China, so finish what you got

{Refrain}
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed, strange days indeed

/ G D Em - / / / C G D D6D C G A - /

Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move
Well everybody's a winner and nothing left to lose
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu

Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground
Well everybody's crying and no one makes a sound
There's a place for us in movies, you just gotta lay around

{Refrain}
... most peculiar mama

Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high
Everybody's flying and never touch the sky
There's UFO's over in New York and I ain't too surprised

{Refrain}
... most peculiar mama, whoa

Note:
The break is loosely Bm C#m D E Bm E D Bm...



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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:55 PM
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12. It's the E ticket ride.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 08:33 PM
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18. John Lennon is very overrated as a vocalist.
I can't stop saying it.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:12 PM
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20. Really?
I think it's skillful how he is able to sing "Nobody told me there'd be days like these" in that song as if it were one word.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:27 PM
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21. His voice was pretty average and
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 09:29 PM by Katzenkavalier
his terrible rendition of Twist And Shout (I've heard the sore throat story) is nothing to be proud of.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:29 PM
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22. nailed Twist and Shout on one take
I respectfully disagree. Besides, he isn't known primarily as a vocalist, he's mainly known as a songwriter (along with Paul and among other things of course).
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 09:30 PM
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23. His Twist and Shout version sucks Big time, and regardless of his sore throat.
The Isley Brothers sang Twist and Shout. John Lennon ruined Twist and Shout.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:05 AM
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24. I've always preferred vocalists who have a voice with a unique or strangely cool sound,
as opposed to someone with a sterile control over vocal range and pitch. But that's just me.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:12 AM
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25. That's cool. Lennon was a very talented songwriter, that we agree.
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