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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:06 PM
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Poll question: Calling a Democratic candidate a "Republican"

Poll result (55 votes)
Is against DU rules (3 votes, 5%)Vote
Should be against DU rules (17 votes, 31%)Vote
Is perfectly acceptable for a Democratic discussion board (35 votes, 64%)Vote
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  - grounds for recommending antidepressants to the person saying it?  wyldwolf   Aug-26-07 01:08 PM   #1 
  - Holding conservative, corporatist views does not make someone a Republican.  Mojambo   Aug-26-07 01:12 PM   #2 
  - You're lucky I promised not to  emilyg   Aug-26-07 01:15 PM   #4 
     - I hope you don't think I was singling out your candidate.  Mojambo   Aug-26-07 01:19 PM   #5 
     - But its way past 12:01, somewhere...  HereSince1628   Aug-26-07 02:01 PM   #18 
  - If I can't use the term "DINO" , what's the point of going on?  Capn Sunshine   Aug-26-07 01:13 PM   #3 
  - talking about Obama?  wyldwolf   Aug-26-07 02:11 PM   #19 
     - no...  Capn Sunshine   Aug-26-07 02:34 PM   #26 
  - i prefer "corporate Democrat" n/t  welshTerrier2   Aug-26-07 01:22 PM   #6 
  - I like "DINO", "Corporatist shill", "DLC-er", "Colluder", or "Treasonous Traitor", myself....  Totally Committed   Aug-26-07 01:41 PM   #13 
  - free speech  DemKR   Aug-26-07 01:24 PM   #7 
  - I think making the arguments are fine  WesDem   Aug-26-07 01:30 PM   #8 
  - I really dislike polls.  Buzz Clik   Aug-26-07 01:30 PM   #9 
  - Well, they're clearly marked  WesDem   Aug-26-07 01:33 PM   #10 
     - Shouldn't that be a voting option?  Buzz Clik   Aug-26-07 06:17 PM   #30 
  - Anyone making those statements should back it up with evidence  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-26-07 01:33 PM   #11 
  - Well CEOs and Wall Street prefer to back winners.....so, yes.  Capn Sunshine   Aug-26-07 01:37 PM   #12 
     - 4th place is winning? Wall Street and CEO's don't support corporate candidates?  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-26-07 01:43 PM   #14 
        - Thanks DMC for a little reality  durrrty libby   Aug-26-07 02:00 PM   #17 
           - Obama: the man, the myth, the marketing  draft_mario_cuomo   Aug-26-07 04:57 PM   #28 
  - if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...  mike_c   Aug-26-07 01:52 PM   #15 
  - Exactly.  Totally Committed   Aug-26-07 01:53 PM   #16 
  - I prefer "progressive."  wyldwolf   Aug-26-07 02:11 PM   #20 
  - Well, of course you do... "Liberal" would make your head explode!  Totally Committed   Aug-26-07 02:24 PM   #24 
     - no, liberals are fine. We're all liberal here to one degree or another... "progressives, " though..  wyldwolf   Aug-26-07 02:33 PM   #25 
        - See... I thought you were saying YOU preferred being called a "progressive"...  Totally Committed   Aug-26-07 03:17 PM   #27 
  - It's pointless and dense but i guess it's one of those things we should tolerate...  jefferson_dem   Aug-26-07 02:13 PM   #21 
  - Other ...  ronnykmarshall   Aug-26-07 02:14 PM   #22 
  - Hey, if the jackboots fit, wear 'em  PurityOfEssence   Aug-26-07 02:23 PM   #23 
  - Obama: the man, the myth and the guy who is leading Edwards  illinoisprogressive   Aug-26-07 05:04 PM   #29 
  - I'm locking this thread  proud patriot   Aug-26-07 06:30 PM   #31 
 
wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:08 PM
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1. grounds for recommending antidepressants to the person saying it?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:12 PM
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2. Holding conservative, corporatist views does not make someone a Republican.
It makes them a douchebag that's bad for America, but not necessarily a Republican.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:15 PM
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4. You're lucky I promised not to
post anything negative till 12:01.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:19 PM
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5. I hope you don't think I was singling out your candidate.
I'd say up to a third of the entire Democratic party would fall into that category.

And yes, I think they are ALL bad for America.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:01 PM
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18. But its way past 12:01, somewhere...
:evilgrin:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:13 PM
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3. If I can't use the term "DINO" , what's the point of going on?
and no, I'm not talking about Hillary
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:11 PM
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19. talking about Obama?
:shrug:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:34 PM
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26. no...
Why pile on? I specifically said NOT HIllary
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:22 PM
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6. i prefer "corporate Democrat" n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:41 PM
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13. I like "DINO", "Corporatist shill", "DLC-er", "Colluder", or "Treasonous Traitor", myself....
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 01:46 PM by Totally Committed
"Republican" is so harsh. :sarcasm:

What if we feel it's the truth? Are we allowed to count votes in which they voted with or for the interests of the Republicans in Congress? If so, how many times to they need to shaft us before we can call them the dreaded "R"-word? Does Lieberman qualify? -- He's still got his Democratic Seniority, and Chaimanship of committees -- is HE a Democrat, or is he a "R"-word?

If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, by God, I will call it a duck as long as there is freedom of speech.

TC

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DemKR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:24 PM
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7. free speech
should never be against the rules in any form of Democratic forum.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:30 PM
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8. I think making the arguments are fine
I wonder if cheap name-calling gets us anywhere.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:30 PM
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9. I really dislike polls.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:33 PM
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10. Well, they're clearly marked
So you don't have to see any.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:17 PM
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30. Shouldn't that be a voting option?
Kinda like the nuclear version of "None of the above"
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:33 PM
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11. Anyone making those statements should back it up with evidence
The most common source of those statements are supporters of the favorite of Wall Street and CEO's who call a certain other candidate Republican-lite because this other candidate is allegedly a "corporate whore" (even though CEO's and Wall Street prefer their candidate!).
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:37 PM
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12. Well CEOs and Wall Street prefer to back winners.....so, yes.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 01:38 PM by Capn Sunshine
Last I checked , it's still legal and moral to both invest and back candidates with your business.

What I don't get is why the Hedge Fund guys aren't backing Edwards , who is one of their own.

There's plenty of guys running Hedge Funds with their priorities straight, and John Edwards is one of them.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:43 PM
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14. 4th place is winning? Wall Street and CEO's don't support corporate candidates?
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 01:44 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
According to Obama supporters suddenly corporate America has morphed into a progressive bastion overnight and corporate support is great (Barack Obama: making progressivism more right-wing one issue at a time!). It isn't as if they like him for the same reason they like Hillary--the very reasons Obama supporters love to point out regarding Hillary but ignore with respect to Obama...

The top Republican in the first half of 2006 on Wall Street was 4th place McCain. The favorite of CEO's on the Republican side is 3rd place Romney. On the Democratic side a distant 2nd place candidate crushed the front-runner on Wall Street. Ditto on CEO's. So obviously it isn't just about picking a winning horse...

Hedge funds? Here is who they are giving money to.

Ranking

1) Romney $797,325
2) Dodd $726,950
3) Clinton $703,600
4) Obama $652,105
5) Giuliani $644,750
6) McCain $255,950
7) Edwards $218,290
8) Richardson $85,900

Wall Street (2nd quarter)

1) Obama $739,579
2) Clinton $424,545
3) McCain $334,585
4) Giuliani $330,450
5) Romney $220,950
6) Edwards $43,404

Data unavailable for other candidates, although Dodd surely was closer to Romney than to Edwards.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:00 PM
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17. Thanks DMC for a little reality
People around here adore their meaningless hackneyed expressions

It is tres gauche

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:57 PM
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28. Obama: the man, the myth, the marketing
:hi:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:52 PM
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15. if it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck...
...but calls itself a swan, who you gonna believe?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:53 PM
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16. Exactly.
Gawddammit!

TC


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:11 PM
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20. I prefer "progressive."
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:24 PM
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24. Well, of course you do... "Liberal" would make your head explode!
LOL!

No surprise there. And, no harm/no foul either.

TC


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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:33 PM
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25. no, liberals are fine. We're all liberal here to one degree or another... "progressives, " though..
..are "my way or the highway let's purge all unpure people or throw the election to the GOP" whiners.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:17 PM
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27. See... I thought you were saying YOU preferred being called a "progressive"...
After all, HRC calls herself a "new progressive" (whatever the hell that means). So I thought you were just having a me-too moment with the senator.

Sorry I misunderstood. I prefer "Liberal", myself.

"Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." - William E. Gladstone, 1866

TC



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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:13 PM
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21. It's pointless and dense but i guess it's one of those things we should tolerate...
:shrug:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:14 PM
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22. Other ...
Only allowed when speaking of the evil she-devil Hillary Clinton. :sarcasm:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:23 PM
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23. Hey, if the jackboots fit, wear 'em
It's certainly not the most eloquent way to slag someone, but fair's fair.

Having said all that, I don't see many decent applications for it in the six and a half years this board's been around. Zell Miller comes to mind; he certainly deserves it. Ben Nelson certainly walks the line enough, but even that's a bit unfair.

Lieberman's a troubling mixture: take away the blinkered love of Israel and ire at anything Arab, take away the straight-laced prudishness about smut and forget the marionette strings on his limbs that a couple of industries seem to have and he's almost a liberal. Having said all that, though, it's a case of being damned by faint praise.

The overuse of the term is tiresome, and like calling someone a nazi tends to just make the poster using it look more foolish. Most people can only deal in black and white, and they tend to get hyperemotional when their stances or candidates are assailed or impeded.

Human nature.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:04 PM
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29. Obama: the man, the myth and the guy who is leading Edwards
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:30 PM
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31. I'm locking this thread
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 06:32 PM by proud patriot
It's a moderator call out as well as a continuation
of a locked thread that was considered Flamebait .

If you have any concerns about Moderator actions please
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