John F. Kerry will NOT win the nomination. Here's why:

[Kitty Kat]

As the media is pushing, DNC/DLC is pressuring for other candidates to drop out, the citizens of other 35 states that have not voted will be VERY resentful and will not for the anointed choice of one John F. Kerry.

They'd rather vote for someone else just to spite the DNC/DLC and the media. It can be either Kucinich, Dean or Edwardss. Forget Sharpton -- as long he's still in, he's mainly sleaze anyway.

Remember those AP calling by exit polls and other stuff just before the vote is complete? It's quite disappointing. We still don't know the true result of Maine, NH, or even Washington State. There are still problems with the voting, and I still believe it is rigged to go Kerry's way -- the WEAKEST candidate against Bush. Kerry has no business being rude to other voters, and I heard very recently that a candidate for congressman in Ohio was trying to get Kerry's schedule, only to be snubbed, and had to find out from another supporter on Kerry's schedule which conflicted with his schedule, and that shows that Kerry has no time for other candidates or helping others. Why would Kerry do something like this? Forget Kerry.

I'd rather vote for Kucinich, Dean or Edwards. At least they all have common sense to help people, have supporters who care, and can increase their GOTV efforts come November.

Kitty Kat

[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. ABB

dont forget. To say that Kerry's never helped anybody, that he doesn't have supporters who care, and that he doesn't have any GOTV potential, is simply to misunderstand everything.

[BL_Zebub]

2. A Most Unholy analysis of the situation, Ms Kitty!

A Devil couldn't have said it better myself :evilgrin:

[x-g.o.p.er]

3. Yes he will. He's a shoo-in

I don't see how he can't, barring a fall even more dramatic than Dean. I think Kerry is much stronger against Bush than Dean, and WAY stronger than Kucinich. I think the strongest against Bush, though, would be Edwards.

So now that Nader is running as an independent, would you vote for him?

[YNGW]

5. Question

>So now that Nader is running as an independent, would you vote for him?

I've heard he's considering running, but I hadn't heard he's announced. Could you provide a link.

I think Americans deserve a choice other than the corporate bought candidates that will be running on the major tickets.

[x-g.o.p.er]

Heard it on radio this a.m.

on my way into work. If I find a link, I will post it.

[WilliamPitt]

4. He has 30 point leads in all the March 2nd states

especially New York and California. You see this changing in two weeks?

You should vote for Kucinich, or Edwards, or Dean if it suits you. I'm voting Kucinich myself. But I think your analysis hasn't taken the numbers into account.

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. So are you predicting an upset in Wisconsin?

Or will it be Super Tuesday (March 2) when Democratic voters become resentful and reject Kerry? If they don't start resenting him soon, he will wind up being the nominee.

[Cocoa]

7. people are comfortable with Kerry

in exit polls, he got very high numbers among people that didn't vote for him, on whether they'd be ok with him as the nominee.

There was an effort among some pundits to create the impression of an "anyone but Kerry" movement, but they didn't get anywhere with that nonsense.

[still_one]

8. I am from California

What makes you think that the media, DNC/DLC influence us, or anyone in the previous primaries. You are insulting the intelligence of all the voters

[BL_Zebub]

14. Nothing personal against you, but considering who your current Governor is

There's not much left to insult as far as the "intelligence" of California voters is concerned. And yes, there were self professed "Demoncrats" voting for him.

[bobbyboucher]

18. Yeah, like you know.

Are you from Cali?

[BL_Zebub]

21. I've spent a lot of time there, obviously

Isn't Hollywood the source of all sin and debauchery, after all? :evilgrin:

[lcordero]

9. Hate to tell you but it's way too late

anti-Kerry sentiment would have had to started and built across the country for a full year for any effect.

I'm ABB+BL. I'm voting Kucinich. My philosophy is that if somebody wants Bushlite then they wholeheartedly deserve Bush and all of the effects of Bush for the next 30 years(Supreme Court, hostility, real terrorism, poverty).

[bowens43]

10. IMO , you're wrong.

Democrats for the most part want Kerry. Kerry will get the nomination. Not because of the media or the DLC , because he will recieve more votes then any of the other Dems. Those folks in the other 35 states want Kerry to be the nominee.

[John_H]

11. He's going to sew it up next tuesday.

[AVID]

12. one person's sleaze . . .

i read in earnest until that point

The descriptive sleaze is relative.

bush* = Sleaze
Sharpton = Skilled, Humorous Orator and the dagger of Debate

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[progressiverealist]

15. Here is *THE* reason Kerry is doing so well:

People keep on VOTING for the guy, as I am about to go and do right now in the Wisconsin primary.


By the way, we don't have black box voting here so nobody can claim that a Kerry win is Diebold's doing.

[arwalden]

16. Is This Message Wishful Thinking Or Alarmist Defeatism?

Is this what you're HOPING will happen? Or is this what you FEAR will happen? (It's unclear to me.)

In any case, I don't believe we have to worry about such dire predictions.

-- Allen

[OKNancy]

17. No, Kerry will be the nominee

and Dems should know this. He was the leader one year ago and it has all played out to be his year. There is no conspiracy. Kerry has always been the strongest person from our party running.

I recall last year. I saw Kerry on "Meet the Press" and other talking-head shows. I said to myself..."he is really good and it seems he has the backing of the political elite." He is going to be the one. Many on DU will think this is a bad thing. I don't. I am a realist, and anyone who how things really work, knows that politics is a hard-ass way to go and insurgents and so-called "grassroots candidates" don't fly.

When Kerry had some troubles early on I, like Wes Clark, thought -- uh oh, something is wrong here---then he got stronger and showed that he was the one to beat Bush. I loved Clark's campaign and I still think he would be the best, but now I realize what it takes to do this President thing.

Kerry has paid his dues, and it is his turn.

No matter what happens, Kerry will be miles above Bush. Kerry won't appoint anti-choice judges. Kerry will rollback some of the nasty right-wing policies. Kerry is a liberal and anyone who says different doesn't follow politics.

And.... anyone that says that Kerry and Bush are equal is just fucking stupid.

[Atlant]

22. Kind of like Bob Dole in '96.

> Kerry has paid his dues, and it is his turn.

Kind of like Bob Dole in '96.

I'm overwhelmed.

Atlant

[OKNancy]

23. Yes, like Bob Dole

You probably think I would disagree, but yes it is like Bob Dole. But Kerry is not Dole and Bush is not Clinton. Bush is no Clinton. Dole is not as strong as Kerry.

Don't vote for Kerry. But if doing so elects Bush, then fine. Every voter can do what they feel is best.

Know this....the vast majority of voters don't think like posters to DU. Your one vote is piddelysquat in the overall scheme of things.

[MICHAEL_LAPERE]

19. In a perfect world....

I at first had your sentiment, it was somewhat disappointing to see John Kerry run away with nomintion in the media. But after some analysis of the situation I have come to accept this as necessary, practical, and positive.

If our party was forced into a bitter battle for the nomination, this could have only serve to strengthen the Republican's campaign. Our party needs to come across as unified and steady. Because we were quick to pick, in my opinion, the most qualified candidate- albeit officially or not- Bush was forced on the offensive before he was ready. Bush's reactionary interview on Meet the Press was the first sign of this unpraredness.

Politics is a tricky business, sometimes you have to take that step backward to move forward. Many have critized Kerry's unwillingness to be more critical of NAFTA & the WTO, also for his rejection of gay marriage in support of civil unions. These are more tactical positions then they are core beliefs. We need to win the White House, that is the pulpit for advancing these issues.

I think national security is going to be at the heart of the Bush campaign. It is going to be about the consequence of change during a time of war and of terroist threats. Bush is going to be portrayed as a proven leader of this new and grave threat, as they have said in the past. Kerry is the only candidate that has the chance to make this central issue of proven leadership less potent.

Michael

[SOS]

20. Questions

1. How is Kerry "rude to other voters"?

2. "a candidate for congressman in Ohio was trying to get Kerry's schedule, only to be snubbed, and had to find out from another supporter on Kerry's schedule which conflicted with his schedule"

Which candidate for congressman? Which party?
What is a "supporter on Kerry's schedule"?
Why would Kerry keep his Ohio campaign appearances a secret?

[Moderator]

24. Locking

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