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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:27 PM Original message |
Why do we hurl around "Corporate" like an insult? |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. it's not that |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. No I'm saying that they do not differ from Private companies... |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. The problem is not the size of the corporation, it's the soul of the |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. A corporation is really an abstraction; it's a kind of business organization. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. That was the kind of answer I was looking for! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. They are not inherently evil -- but they are inherently insane. |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 01:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Outstanding post |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. The problem isn't the people |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I was with you until your last section... |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I was thinking more along the lines |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:48 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree. nt |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. Shareholders |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. Classic populist demagoguery is all. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. And how do you come up with that? nt |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. The same way most of us formulate our judgments and opinions, silly. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:56 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I was referring to specifics on how you came up with the idea that |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. making money versus making a better country |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Howard Zinn exposes the anti democratic nature of the |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. excellent addition ... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
27. Lucky shot that's all. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Very interesting post... |
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welshTerrier2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:10 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. lots of details about corporatism here |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
57. K&R!!! |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. Where to start... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Clutch, pretty good. |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. They're earlier stuff was probably "too heavy"... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. It seemed mature in the sense they have grown musically. You can |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
13. Because we wish, in our deepest selves, that corporations would be better citizens |
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antiimperialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. The problem with corporate media, for example, is evident |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. This, I aree with without reservation.... |
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mcscajun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
19. Two basic problems with corporations; the first is inherent, the second |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
79. What specific rights are granted by personhood that go beyond |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
20. Corporations have been having the say so in this country and yet, they |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
21. Why were you screaming that Gore was a corporate whore in 2000? n/t |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I was young, dumb, and got caught up in the wrong march.. |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Honest enough :) -- curious about the "blac bloc" -- what was their deal? n/t |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I spelled it wrong, it's actually black bloc... |
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quiet.american (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Thanks. n/t |
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Adenoid_Hynkel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. I screamed it becauseof his tireless work for NAFTA |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. Uh, because in 2000 he WAS a DLC corporate whore... (n/t) |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
28. Because we live in a corporate kleptocracy. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Funny how that works |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
36. They have the rights but none of the obligations of citizens, |
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Adenoid_Hynkel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
38. I'm really beginning to wonder f I know this site these days |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:27 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. What wrong with this thread? nt |
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Progressive Friend (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-23-07 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
40. Private business is inherently undemocratic |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
42. Here's my stab at your basic question. |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
74. The next non-democratic aspect of stock ownership. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
43. Corporations as Entities |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
44. Corporations put money above all else |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
45. When corporations have more control than citizens .... |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. Bingo. Add to that the mentality that "the market" can solve all problems |
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Larkspur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
47. Corporations are inherent dictatorships |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:49 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. WRONG |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. non sequitor. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. i see |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. "That's the nature of the beast" |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Details |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Hmmm... |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. OK |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I have, you just aren't listening. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. If corporate officers did what you want |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. It is not the CEOs, or the Presidents, or the money managers that |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
48. Global Corporatism |
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QueenOfCalifornia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
49. uh, because.. |
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Jack Sprat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:13 AM Response to Original message |
50. because it has become symbolic of |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
51. Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
54. The problem in my opinion is not the evil |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
55. Because at best, corporations are amoral, their guiding principal is to make money, |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
56. because they've bought our government. |
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groovedaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
59. Watch the documentary "The Corporation" |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
61. So little time.... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
63. Because corporations are sociopathic |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
67. Corporations are inherently evil |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
72. please read Thom Hartmann's Screwed |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
75. Detached, souless greed. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
76. Corporations aren't people, |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
77. Your cooking tastes real corporate, Mom. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
78. For the past 25 years, business executives have been indoctrinated in |
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