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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:07 PM
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Will Obama's Stance on Cuba Hurt Him?
Conventional political wisdom in the bellwether state of Florida has always focused on Cuban-Americans, especially those influential exiles who take a hard line against any U.S. engagement with Fidel Castro's Cuba. Cross them, says the presidential candidate handbook, and say adios to the Sunshine State's 27 electoral votes.

So why would Barack Obama — who is scraping to keep up with Hillary Clinton for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination — ignore that seemingly golden rule? Why, in a Tuesday op-ed piece in the Miami Herald, would he challenge the Cuban-American elders and call for dismantling President Bush's hefty restrictions on Cuban-Americans making visits and sending money to relatives in Cuba?


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Maybe it's because Obama knows a new conventional wisdom may well be taking shape in the state — one that could actually make his declarations this week an asset when Florida holds its primary election next January. "A democratic opening in Cuba is, and should be, the foremost objective of our policy," Obama wrote in the Herald. But while making that standard declaration, he also argued that "Cuban-American connections to family in Cuba are not only a basic right in humanitarian terms, but also our best tool for helping to foster the beginnings of grass-roots democracy on the island." As a result, he said, "I will grant Cuban-Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send remittances to the island."

The restrictions — widely viewed as a thank-you to the hardline exile bloc that helped Bush win Florida in 2000 — allow Cuban-Americans to visit the island for only 14 days every three years and limit remittances to $1,200 per year. "It's almost as if you have to decide ahead of time when a relative is going to die," says Miami immigration attorney Magda Montiel Davis, a Cuban-American moderate who says she is now voting for Obama after reading his Herald article. Bush and hardline leaders insist the policy helps keep U.S. dollars out of Castro's hands. But "it has also made more dependent on the Castro regime," Obama argued in the Herald, "and isolated them from the transformative message carried there by Cuban-Americans."


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In response to Obama's statement, Hillary Clinton continued her recent attacks on his perceived foreign policy naivete, insisting that "until it is clear what type of policies might come with a new government, we cannot talk about changes in the U.S. polices toward Cuba." But by playing that safe card in Florida, Clinton may have allowed herself to be "outmaneuvered by Obama on this one," says one Cuban-American leader who asked not to be identified, pointing to a recent Florida International University poll showing that more than 55% of Cuban-Americans in Miami favor unrestricted travel to Cuba.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1655373,00.html
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:14 PM
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1. Risky move by Obama
Lots of downside risk; little upside potential.

The hardline Cubans here are not going for anything that is perceived as helping the government of Cuba whom they view as on its last legs. Regardless of how many feel, the hardliners are a solid and dependable voting block.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:17 PM
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2. It's a bold policy idea
that I agree with-it's a no-lose proposition for the Cuban PEOPLE NOT the Government...of course it'll be spun that way but what Cuban family in Miami would disagree with being able to help out family 90 miles away? It's a win-win IMO because he might just pick a few of the right-leaning block off-would never win them all over-but hey, small steps
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:23 PM
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6. Picking off the right-leaning won't happen.
Maybe if it was 20 years ago, but right now they are all in eager anticipation of Castro's death and the end of that government. Anything that is perceived as helping the government get more dollars and thus prolonging it, will be seriously opposed.

This will be easy for Obama's competitors to spin.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:20 PM
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3. wiLL it hurt him? no.
the onLy peopLe it wouLd hurt him with wouLdn't vote for him to begin with. though i do have to add the caveat of fLorida - i'm not famiLiar enough with the cLout of batistas there and if it's acurate or overbLown.

i don't beLieve some fence sitters in the midwest wouLd see this as their deaL breaker.
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Rodanthe Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:21 PM
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4. I give the man a lot of credit. No matter what happens,
He can never be accused of being "Repub-Lite"

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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:23 PM
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5. NO, not in the voting booth.....The Cubans who still care about this
are 100 years old, or older. Main stream Cuban-Americans support Obama.

I live in South Florida, I will be there to see him on Saturday, in Miami.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:25 PM
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9. Oooh, pics please!!
Hope you take lots!
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:40 AM
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19. I plan to...stay tuned!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:24 PM
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7. Kerry supported easing Cuba sanctions in 2004
Obama is actually in the mainstream of Democratic thought on this, we'll see how many in the media are willing to point it out.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:25 PM
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8. Obama is going for the long view; Clinton is pandering to the anti-Castro Floridians
We'll see what happens next...






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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:28 PM
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10. Hell no...he wants all those Cuban votes in Florida and elsewhere.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:29 PM
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11. Obama is going out on a limb --
and I completely support easing relations with Cuba. It is long overdue.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:29 PM
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12. hardline exile bloc that helped Bush win Florida
helped but this woman possibly comitted criminal acts to ensure we had 8 moronic years.




www.unprecedented.org
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:35 PM
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13. no
we already trade with cuba. the only thing that everyone is worried about is the old assholes in florida that think the cuban people are going to welcome them back to exploit them again.
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:04 PM
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14. The right-wing Cuban exiles are mostly Rethugs, so they won't be voting in the primary
In addition, we do not need their votes to win the general election. If we had won Ohio in 2004, we would have won the election. Florida is not necessary for us to win (in fact, none of the former CSA states are).
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:45 PM
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15. The younger generation and children of the Cubans that came over,
are mostly well educated and Americanized. They don't give a hoot about Fidel or any of the older folks thinking. They'd like Cuba to open up so they could visit the hotels and party. I worked with second generation Cubanos and they're quite proud to be "Americanos." Very anti-Bush or Boosh as my friend refers to him.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:48 PM
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16. Fuck the hard-line Cubans
Punishing the Beard hasn't done us a damn bit of good for 40 years now. It's time for a change in attitude.

And no, I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm a still-undecided-but-leaning-towards-Richardson person.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:50 PM
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17. I hope it helps him. He deserves support for staking out a brave and
clear-headed position.

I acknowledge the voting block in Miami/Dade but there's nothing I can do about their obstinance except to say that for sheer problem-solving, they aren't very good at it and Barack Obama seems to be very good at it.

I'll take Obama's foreign policy initiatives over theirs, hands down.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 08:41 PM
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18. Only among poeple who vote republican anyway
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