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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:29 PM
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Clark explains three levels of diplomacy. We need a President who will work at level three.
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 10:35 PM by calteacherguy
CLARK: According to O'Reilly diplomacy's like having a chat. (laughter) But of course, then he's never done diplomacy.

(laughter and applause)

CLARK: This- Imagine diplomacy's three levels. Okay? Level one is the most superficial kind of diplomacy that says, 'Okay, I'll talk to you, you no good, stinking you,' you know, 'Get out of here. If you ever do this, I'll blow your head off.' Okay. That's check the block. Thank you very much for the diplomacy. The next level down is, this is what I call the Jim Baker diplomacy. You walk in to the guy and you say, 'You know,' (clears throat) 'I'm here representing the United States' (Texas accent) 'and I wonder what it's goin' take for you boys to see things our way.' (laughter) And so, you get into the sort of horse tradin'. Say, 'I'll give you this if you'll give me that.' That's the second level of diplomacy.

The third level is the level that I'm talking about. You go in with a statement of principles.
You say things like, 'Borders should be respected.' 'People should have rights.' 'Nations should choose their own form of government.' 'No nation should use force to threaten another nation.' Say, 'Which one of these principles do you agree with?' When they say, 'We agree with all of them,' you say, 'Good. Can we, can we sign a statement and sort of say there's an agreement in principle here on these things?' And you work it through statements and agreements of principles into greater community of interests, into organizations that can deal with those specific interests. Is it about border controls? Is it about the movement of agricultural products? Is it about marketing petroleum. Is it about sharing refining assets? Is it about exchanging security? Is it about turning over Al Qaeda members held in Iraq? Is it about releasing reserves that have been held in New York, financial reserves? There's a multiplicity of issues. There's a long way we can go down there.

But diplomacy's not simply going in and threatening them and saying, 'There, I talked to them. Okay? You guys do this again, you're dead.' (laughter) Diplomacy's not simply going in and say, 'I'll give you this. You give me that.' It's about changing people's perception of their future possibilities. Imagine if Iran actually believed it could be accepted as a member of the world community, join the World Trade Organization, receive financial assistance from Western banks, major Western..., be invested in by the American oil industry (laughter), and participate in all the fruits of the economy. Imagine that. The Iranian people would love it. They want blue jeans, pop music, travel and access, just like the people of Eastern Europe. Surely, we can build a dialog which diffuses tensions and may give us an opportunity to find common interests or convergent interests, and surely we have to try to do that before we resort to threats or beyond. And that's what I mean by diplomacy.

It hasn't been done, and we need your help so our elected Representatives will put the pressure on this administration to do it or force the administration to acknowledge the bankruptcy of its strategies and policies. We need leadership from you Kossacks, the future. Give us that leadership! Thank you!

(applause and cheering)

CLARK: Great to be with you. Thank you.

http://securingamerica.com/node/2601
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:35 PM
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1. That was my question
I knew Clark would give a solid answer but his ability to spontaneously explain complex concepts live always blows me away.

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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:37 PM
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2. Thanks for asking good questions, Tom!
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 10:39 PM by calteacherguy
I just read it over at securingamerica.com

Hope you don't mind me posting it here; I think it really explains a lot.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:40 PM
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6. Not at all, thanks for doing it. I only played a bit role
..but I'm glad that I got the chance to ask that question. More Democrats need to discuss how diplomacy means a lot more than advocating meeting with some leader personally so you can lecture them to their face.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:38 PM
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3. Clark, Gore, Kerry, Feingold
*sigh*

One of them ought to be running.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:40 PM
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5. yes instead we get the three....plus 4 or 5 more nt
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:39 PM
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4. Obama/Clark!
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:09 PM
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9. That would be an awesome ticket
General Clark is an amazing man.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:12 AM
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12. Better make that Clark-Obama
Clark is ready to be President from day one - in January 2009.

Obama will be ready to take over in January 2017.

I think the VP pick in 2008 should be ready to serve as President from 2017 to 2025.

Just like Bill Clinton picked Al Gore as his VP in 1992.

A strong ticket for 2008 would be Gore-Obama or Clark-Obama.

Of the current candidates I think Edwards might be the best bet.

For some reason I can't see Edwards and Obama on the same ticket.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:44 PM
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7. Something that concerns me...
Is I'm not sure from some of the rhetoric I hear occasionally that all our candidates understand level three diplomacy.

Of the top three, I would suspect Clinton would have the best understanding of the concept, but I'm not hearing this coming from any of the candidates clearly. Instead it's too often tough talk that sounds a lot like the administration with the word diplomacy thrown in somewhere.

I'm not sure Obama, Edwards, or even Clinton have fully thought through the three levels of diplomacy and understand the importance.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:00 PM
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8. Shouldn't the best one be at the first level?
i know that's totally missing the point - just a side comment to an insightful speech.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 11:41 PM
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10. It wasn't a speech, he was responding off the cuff to a question. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 02:59 AM
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11. That's why it's easy to realize how intelligent he is......
when one answers a question fully to the point of where it appears to be a speech, but it's not.

Great man! Hopes that his smarts are used as opposed to his words simply stolen.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:14 AM
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13. Wes Clark's new book comes out on September 4th
And they put a cool quote from Bill Clinton on the front cover!

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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 04:34 AM
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14. k+r
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