Obama yesterday in Iowa,"After all, the war in Iraq wasn't cooked up by folks in Council Bluffs..."

[flpoljunkie]

"After all, the war in Iraq wasn't cooked up by folks in Council Bluffs," said Obama. "It was authorized by politicians in Washington who said they knew better." ("than you did") And if that's what conventional thinking on foreign policy amounts to, conventional thinking has to change."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3487868

Just heard the entire quote on CNN. Very interesting that ABC ommitted "than you did" from their quote.

[IndianaJones]

1. how far is Obama gonna have to drop before he realizes that dog don't hunt. nt.

[flpoljunkie]

3. I think you will find that "dog hunts" with a lot of Dems, esp. those who marched in the streets

and were, not only ignored by their members of Congress, but told they didn't know Dick.

[IndianaJones]

5. apparently this "lot of Dems" actually counts for negative support. nt.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

6. Sure, just ask President Dean and Vice President Clark nt

[bvar22]

15. We weren't ignored by Congress, Just some of them.

Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, The DLC/BlueDogs.

Here are the ones who listened:
The Democratic Party Honor Roll
These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.

IWR

United States Senate

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)


United States House of Representatives

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
Inslee
Jackson (Il.)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E.B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller
Mollohan
Moran (Va)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Udall (CO)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
Wu

[trayted]

18. The problem is while they were marching, Obama was giving Bush money to keep screwing up in Iraq

[zulchzulu]

8. Yeah...people LOVE the war...what could Obama be thinking?

:rofl:

They also love the politicians that voted for it. What's a trillion here,a a trillion there anyway...yunno?

[IndianaJones]

9. I am certainly impressed with his votes to end funding for said war. nt.

[CTLawGuy]

21. so you want the troops to be stuck there with no funding?

do you think a lack of funding is going to force Bush to pull them out? Bush, who doesn't give a shit about the troops?

[Kagemusha]

2. Isn't the omitted part something that could be fairly called, implied?

To the point it doesn't really need to be repeated for the sense of the quote to be accurate?

I've seen far worse.

[flpoljunkie]

4. I've seen worse as well, but this seems a deliberate omission.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

7. It is amusing how his numbers have been falling since he has been forced to resort to the IWR card

:)

[IndianaJones]

10. Does he realize that it only displays a disingenousness at worst...

and stupidity at best?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

11. Apparently not and let's hope he doesn't figure it out until he finishes 3rd or 4th in Iowa

:)

[AtomicKitten]

17. He plays the card because it is his to play.

He came out hard and strong against the Iraq War in 2002. That's a fact.

He is neither disingenuous nor stupid to emphasize that which separates him from the others; in fact, quite the opposite.

[DURHAM D]

23. The problem with this IWR card -

He wasn't in the Senate at the time and everyone knows it. His subsequent votes when he actually was in the room don't help with the argument.

I honestly think he needs to stick with his "can't we all just get along" message. BO's best asset is himself - not his policies.

[jefferson_dem]

22. Ya. If they fall any further, perhaps he'll have to resort to calling people

"devlish" names... :eyes:

If you think he's just now "resorting" to the IWR card, you haven't been paying attention. He's talked about this as a tragic illustration of (mis)judgment since his campaign began.

[hedgehog]

12. That dog won't hunt?

Apparently you weren't watching the AFL-CIO forum when Hillary tried to chastise Obama for saying what he thought lest "our enemies" listen in.

[TwilightGardener]

13. Curious as to why this is controversial or damaging for him to say.

This is the truth. Oh wait...I forgot, he's not supposed to say what he thinks. He's supposed to to filter his thoughts and words through consultants first.

[hedgehog]

14. No, no, it's just that we all have to keep our plans secret because the

bad guys are listening. We have to trust our politicians to know what needs to be done without anyone asying anything our loud! You must learn to read the secret messages being sent out by which tie the men wear or how much cleavage Ms. Clinton shows. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

[killbotfactory]

19. It's controversial because it makes certain other candidates look bad

As it should.

[laylah]

16. Maybe it wasn't

cooked up there but it sure as hell was supported, COMPLETELY!

[illinoisprogressive]

20. the media is doing Hillarys work for her, trying to paint Obama as inexperienced.

[DURHAM D]

24. I apologize - I didn't mean to yawn in your face.

Please forgive me.