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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:20 AM
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Do We NOT Agree?
Edited on Fri Aug-17-07 01:23 AM by NanceGreggs
Having recently browsed a number of websites, I am struck by the fact that we are not as separated from our friends on the other side of the aisle, as it is so often phrased, when it comes to the basics of being American – what we want, what we need, and what we expect for ourselves and our children.

Like it or not (smooth-talking politicians aside), we all share the same American Dream. Our ideas about how to achieve that dream may differ, but when all is said and done, there is Basic Citizenship 101.

To my fellow citizens on the other side:

Do we not agree that the news as presented on TV networks and in newspapers should be free of bias, the personal opinion of the newscaster/writer, and the political views of the station/newspaper owner? There are numerous TV stations that offer “opinion shows”, and newspapers that have Op/Ed pages – do we not agree that news reportage should be just that?

Do we not agree that our voting process is sacrosanct, and should not be vulnerable to manipulation by anyone? Do we not agree that having someone from the opposing party take office as a result of capturing the majority of votes is preferable to a candidate of one’s own party being sworn-in as a result of a questionable voting process?

Do we not agree that whether you believe in global warming or not, the increase in world-wide pollution – whether caused by unregulated spewing of toxins into the air or water-table by industry, or the over-use of gasoline in our cars – is a threat to our health, and that of our children?

Do we not agree that regardless of your stance on what health care should or should not be provided and to whom, the aspect of profit-making by insurance companies should be expunged from the process?

Do we not agree that “Supporting the Troops” means their being well-paid, well-equipped in combat, and well cared for should they be disabled in service to their country?

Do we not agree that the outsourcing of American jobs and the relocation of American factories to cheaper labor markets in foreign countries hurts our nation’s workers, while the profits to corporations who engage in this practice constitute theft from our national economy?

Do we not agree that US corporations who set up offshore headquarters – which are often nothing more than a mailbox in a tax-free haven country – are doing nothing more than avoiding paying their fair share of US taxes and, by so doing, are not contributing to the financial well-being of their own country?

Do we not agree that soldiers currently serving their country should be paid at least enough to be able to focus on the task-at-hand, free of having to worry about their families back home struggling to make ends meet while they are away?

Do we not agree that the average US soldier who is fighting on behalf of his country is worth a higher salary than the average mercenary gun-for-hire who is willing to fight anyone, anywhere as long as the price is right?

Do we not agree that corruption is unacceptable in our elected representatives, and anyone caught accepting bribes, or funneling taxpayers’ money into the pockets of their friends and relatives, should be immediately
Do we not agree that accusations leveled against any office-holder should be backed up by facts and evidence, and not be repeated and publicized based on rumor and innuendo?

Do we not agree that the expenditure of taxpayers’ dollars should be duly authorized and supported by irrefutable documentary evidence, rather than being handed out without strict accountability being part of the process?

Do we not agree that patriotism lies equally in the support of government decisions we agree with and in criticism of decisions we disagree with?

Do we not agree that being American means being a good citizen first, and being a good Republican, Democrat, Green, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, rural-dweller, city-dweller, should come second in terms of the considerations that define good citizenship?

I realize that there are a myriad of things we do not agree on, from pro-choice, to gun control, from the war in Iraq, to the death penalty.

But surely there are things on which we all, as Americans, agree.

Let’s not forget those things, for in them lies the backbone of our unity, and therein lies the foundation of our strength.

Do we not agree that without that unity and strength, we have but a number of warring factions, groups of screaming fanatics trying to out-shout those of an opposing view, gangs of thugs ready to fight over meaningless talking points and mindless phrases incubated in think tanks supported by focus groups – but alas, we have no country?

As a citizen, and as a Democrat, I am willing to stand up and fight for what I believe. And where my beliefs differ from that of the opposing party, I will strive to make my voice heard, as should those of an opposing view strive to have their voices heard.

What is most important, however, is that we confine our arguments to the topics on which we disagree, and not be led (by either party) into fighting each other over points of contention that don’t even exist.

I am tired of the endless fighting, of being encouraged to see one's fellow citizen as the enemy. I am tired of the vitriolic rhetoric that seeks to divide rather than unite - and the endless waste of money, lives and resources that go seemingly unnoticed while political games are played for personal gain and party one-up-man-ship.

I, like millions of citizens, just want to be a part of the UNITED States of America, and not part of the division that only serves the purpose of putting the wrong people in office, or power and influence into the wrong hands, while we are made busy fighting amongst ourselves.

I don't think I'm alone in my thinking, and I don't believe such thoughts are not shared by my fellow citizens -- Democrats, Republicans, Independents, et al.

When all is said and done, if we don't, as unified Americans, put the "US" back into USA, we might as well fold up the tent and call it a day, because the American Dream is already dead.


‘Nuff said, rant over, flame-suit on – fire away.



TCBWIA3
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:30 AM
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1. My dear Nance...
This is perfectly wonderful...

K&R, the first of many...

You have stated it so perfectly, so succinctly....

I cannot imagine anyone with any integrity at all disagreeing with you...

Especially this line:

When all is said and done, if we don't, as unified Americans, put the "US" back into USA, we might as well fold up the tent and call it a day, because the American Dream is already dead.


Blessings on you for your wonderful and clear prose... :patriot:


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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:37 AM
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3. And blessings on you, my dear CalPeg ...
... for encouraging me along the path, and being there should I falter in my steps.

:hug:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:39 AM
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4. The American Dream is bi-partisan
Or, more accurately, non-partisan.

That's something they really need to be reminded of at every opportunity.

There are many who cannot by reached by liberalism, but I'm not sure populism can't bridge the gap.
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EndlessMaze Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:17 AM
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26. It seems like a perfect time to get some recruits
Now is the time to peel away those wavering Republicans who went along for the ride, even though deep down in their hearts they thought it might be BULLSHIT. I was there at one point. I know what it's like to think that a Bush, and even maybe even an actor Reagan, could be a good President. Those days are long gone, but it took my interaction with my progressive friends at the time, to wake up.

Go out there and wake up your wavering friends who are thinking about the current republican BULLSHIT. They are out there. And of course use Nancy's logic.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:37 AM
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2. Superb.
Thanks, Nance.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 04:46 AM
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5. Another brilliant post
K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 05:13 AM
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6. One of your best!
I think very highly of your wonderful essays on DU. But this one really stands out. Thank you for this gift of focused, rational, and positive thought.

Nominated.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 05:35 AM
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7. Sadly, I don't think the Right agree. They hate all of us. I'm sure they intend to destroy us.
Edited on Fri Aug-17-07 05:36 AM by Perry Logan
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 07:28 AM
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8. Why are your editorials not in every major paper in the country?
You are consistently awesome, "rant" after "rant." Thank you for your insights and your sparkling prose. k & r

Put the "US" back into USA.

:applause:
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NancyBreen Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 09:17 PM
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22. Thank you DVJNU for saying out loud what I
have thought after reading every "rant". Nance Greggs is a truly insightful writer and should be available for all to read.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:15 AM
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9. Beautiful Thoughtful Post----No, the GOP does not have
same interest or goals.

GOP Congress (Senator and House) believe in Captialism
as unfettered as possible. A truly capitalist society
is one in which a few Very Rich at the top reign over
the rest of us. Individualism --there will be winners
and losers, Everyday you hear GOP esp. in DC yelling
about Regulations

Are there Dems who appear to believe the same way. Happy
with small ruling class and the masses becoming poorer by the
day? Yes, some Dems agree with this apparently. Nafta.

However, it is my hope that time will change things and
the Democratic Party will get back to its roots.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:13 PM
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15. I'm not talking about the GOP as a party ..
... nor any other political group.

I'm talking about average citizens.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:56 AM
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10. K & R
:kick:

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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 09:25 AM
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11. Nice stab
Only they don't agree. I personally share those ideals. Try posting this somewhere else, and remember to duck, and cover.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:32 AM
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12. Dear Nance: Cutting Off Noses To Spite Faces Applies Here
Far too often people on the other side of the aisle make decisions not in their best interests because they know it will hurt others. This is because the "others" are considered "not worthy" of equal treatment. And we all suffer.

I have the diagnosis, but not the cure.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:36 AM
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13. I was rather stunned when John Bolton said on TDS
that the administration owes their allegiance and serves those that elected them, and Turd Blossom punctuated that by saying they only look for 50+1 votes.

K&R!
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:07 PM
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14. Right on, Sister!
I think the majority of people on all sides of the spectrum will agree with you.

It's that minority that doesn't that scares me.
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GTurck Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 03:03 PM
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16. A voice at last...
I agree with everything you have said. Enough is enough of this shouting vitriol. My family is being torn apart by the divisive issues to the point that those issues we do agree upon go undiscussed.
Yours is the voice that needs to be heard. It also needs to be the statement coming out of every Democratic seeker of the White House.

Let's be Americans before we are anything else.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 03:25 PM
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17. Well said!
"Let's be Americans before we are anything else."

AND WELCOME TO DU! :hi:
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 03:44 PM
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18. Great essay - small edit needed
There is an incomplete thought in the "corruption" line:

Do we not agree that corruption is unacceptable in our elected representatives, and anyone caught accepting bribes, or funneling taxpayers’ money into the pockets of their friends and relatives, should be immediately <------Right here, complete the thought


Please let us know the reactions to this when this is read by "that side" of the spectrum.
It might reach some who are tired of dealing with a split not just of policy but of definitions and facts.
They want some oasis, and yours is WAY better than say, Huckabee's :)

You deftly bypass some of the Spin talking points, so that ideas can penetrate, and that is PERFECT.
Maybe peel off a few thinkers...
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 04:07 PM
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19. Of course, I only noticed that ...
Edited on Fri Aug-17-07 04:09 PM by NanceGreggs
... AFTER my editing time had run out! (as usual)

It reads: "... should be immediately removed from office."

I work in WORD, then cut-and-paste to post. I obviously had a mark to italicize, but it was incorrectly placed, and removed the end of the sentence when it was transferred, along with the space before the next paragraph begins!

Sometimes I'm just so DUH!!!
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 04:40 PM
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20. Thank you - I was curious how that sentence ended!
Because...
This is where it gets complicated for me.

Do we agree on whether a trial should be held before removing someone from office, or let VOTERS decide to remove someone?
Or impeachment of members who do so?


It seems impeachment, recall, then election time are the options - or felony charge would do it, right?
And of course stripping some committee positions, and censure, before that happens.

While we may WANT to immediately remove corrupt pols regardless of party, there has to be some agreement on process, I think.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this, and in the context of the essay, how that can be laid open for discussion and maybe consensus.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 06:21 PM
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21. K&R. This would be a good article to send to Friends and family
"on the other side of the aisle."
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EndlessMaze Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 11:46 PM
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23. I'm on board to look for common ground
Many of your "do we not agree" comments were clustered around the two things one would hope that most Americans not only believe in, but will actually do something about. Supporting the rule of law, and doing the right thing to human beings at a personal level.

I am an American first!...Actually, I am a human being living on the planet earth first. Then I am an American. I hope that anyone I meet on this planet would treat me like I would treat him.



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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:08 AM
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24. Very insightful!
Hopefully, many on the other ide will see the light.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:09 AM
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25. On point again!
You are really wonderful.
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toughboy Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:55 AM
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27. They don't teach this in school anymore
and the current administration and those who still support it don't agree. Amazing post. I agree!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 04:25 PM
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28. have you been on the freeper sites lately?
You would have a different opinion.
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