Bush hides ALL presidential documents but Hillary's should be open????

[Stinky The Clown]

Being discussed on teevee. I just heard about this. Seems HRC has decreed her papers at the Clinton Library shall not be released until after the election. The RNC - ever in defense of what's right and just - wants them out in the open.

I actually agree with the RNC on this point.

BUT

Until they let their crones talk in the open and release the presidential papers their boy put on lockdown, I have NO sympathy for them.

Fuck them and leave them on lockdown until they find their set of keys to the shit they're hiding.

Fucking Hypocrites.

[rinsd]

1. Hillary should say that. I'll show mine when they finally show theirs (nt)

[bigdarryl]

2. this just proves this Bush/Clinton dynasty is out of hand

[rinsd]

6. No, its proves the Bush/Clinton dynasty meme continues its tiresome travels.

But I read the article you linked to in another OP and it seems that Hillary has little to do with the decision on when the papers will be done.

In one of life's sweet ironies it would appear staff cuts due to budgeting are as much behind the archiving effort as anything else.


"We're processing as fast as we can," Melissa Walker said.

Not fast enough, in the view of some who have been waiting. A conservative watchdog group called Judicial Watch filed suit against the National Archives last month, demanding the release of Hillary Clinton's diaries, telephone logs, daily planners and schedules. In the 1990s, the group filed suits against the Clinton administration that led to revelations about fundraising practices, including Democratic campaign donors being tapped for official trade missions. In the most recent suit, Judicial Watch said it had submitted its request more than a year ago and had received nothing, save for confirmation that the library possessed "a substantial volume" of such papers.

Staffing pressures have prevented the National Archives from keeping up with an expanding workload. In 2002, the agency employed 334 archivists. This year, the number is down to 301. That 10% drop came during a period when the National Archives assumed jurisdiction over two more presidential libraries: those of Clinton and Richard Nixon.

"If we have fewer trained personnel, we are unable to do as many preservation projects as we might like, and we're less able to serve the public in ways we would like to," said Susan Cooper, a spokeswoman for the National Archives."

[Tellurian]

11. Exactly...

We've been waiting to see Poppy's record for eons!

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. More to the point, Hillary's papers are hers...

The President's are ours.

She needs to comply with campaign disclosure laws. Bush needs to comply with the constitution, and the most rudimentary kind of accountability.

[AlCzervik]

4. Good point.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. Not challenging, but are you certain of that?

I have no idea, to be honest. never thought about a first lady's papers before.

But .... since all this happened while she was in the white house, might there not be some corollary law that covers them? While not an official elected position, she was still on the company dime, so to speak.

Again .... I don't really know.

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. In general, yes. However...

... the business she conducted as part of the task force for health care - an official capacity - should be public domain. A first lady isn't on the public dime by virtue of her husband's job any more than I'm on my wife's employers dime.

This president is not only withholding his own papers, but those of his father as well.

Or at any rate, that's my story and I'm sticking with it. ;)

[Zenlitened]

5. I'm not sure it was HRC's decision at all, was it?

From a Los Angeles Times article posted by another DUer:

... Before documents are released, archives staff must read them and, by law, must redact material that they determine contains classified information, invades a person's privacy, reveals trade secrets, reveals confidential advice from presidential advisors or raises other concerns specified in the records law.

Asked how long it might be before Hillary Clinton's records are released, the library's chief archivist said it could take years.

"We're processing as fast as we can," Melissa Walker said.

(snip)

Staffing pressures have prevented the National Archives from keeping up with an expanding workload. In 2002, the agency employed 334 archivists. This year, the number is down to 301. That 10% drop came during a period when the National Archives assumed jurisdiction over two more presidential libraries: those of Clinton and Richard Nixon.

"If we have fewer trained personnel, we are unable to do as many preservation projects as we might like, and we're less able to serve the public in ways we would like to," said Susan Cooper, a spokeswoman for the National Archives.

Link to LAT article:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-clintondocs14aug14,1,1086895.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true

Link to other DU thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3450296

[DURHAM D]

9. Oh no - actual facts.

You can't do that when the Hillary bashers are going at her. You are just no fun.

[Totally Committed]

8. Scooter Libby outs a CIA operative, and has his sentence commuted,

Sandy Berger lifts a document from the Library and is disbarred, made to pay a fine, and now may do time.

I dunno. Call me crazy, but i think there's a double standard. :shrug:

Not to point fingers or anything....

TC

[terisan]

10. Good post. Bushies suckered McCain into releasing his military rcrd without making Bush do same.

That was in 2000 election cycle when Rove and Company was claiming that McCain was too crazy to be president due to what he suffered as prisoner of war.

They sure know how to kick the troops.

[karynnj]

14. They did that with Kerry too - though he said he intended to anyway

and given how good they really were, it made sense. He had them on his web site for a at least a year.

[karynnj]

12. Maybe we propose a deal - we release all Clintons, they release

all Reagan/Bush they have sat on - and the cards will fall where they may.

[zulchzulu]

13. They're jumping the gun.. This story isn't supposed to be discussed until AFTER...

...the CoroNatioN of the Arkansas Adulterer's Queen...

Read the DLC notes, you idiots...

[Bitwit1234]

15. I seem to remember something about bush and the Air National Guard

OH OH OH I know. All his papers disappeared. No record of him, what he had done, which physicals he took or where he was for the year he walked away from the guard had ever been found.

Then there's the civil suit Margie Scholenger filed against him for sexual harassment and stalking, that civil suit disappeared.

So did the one about him paying for the abortion for his girl friend the call girl.

And how about all those DUI arrests.

So isn't that just like the republicans. Keep bush's records secret by all means possible...but slam and bash Hillary because she doesn't want hers released. Damn here we go again...and the MSM is going along with the republicans.

[CK_John]

18. IMO, All *'s records are hidden in Gonzales' secret Swiss bank vault. n/t

[valerief]

16. The logic is that they benefit and the other side doesn't. That's all there is to it. nt