Clinton a drag? --- Democrats fear her Negatives

[snowbear]

Clinton a Drag? Dems Fear Her Negatives

By RON FOURNIER
The Associated Press
Sunday, August 12, 2007; 1:32 PM

WASHINGTON -- Looking past the presidential nomination fight, Democratic leaders quietly fret that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton at the top of their 2008 ticket could hurt candidates at the bottom.

They say the former first lady may be too polarizing for much of the country. She could jeopardize the party's standing with independent voters and give Republicans who otherwise might stay home on Election Day a reason to vote, they worry.

Democratic Presidential hopefuls, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., left, and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., take part in the Democratic presidential debate sponsored by CNN, YouTube and Google in Charleston, S.C. in this July 23, 2007 file photo.



Democratic leaders quietly fret that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton at the top of their 2008 ticket could hurt candidates at the bottom. They say the former first lady may be too polarizing for much of the country. She would jeopardize the party's standing with independent voters and give Republicans who otherwise might stay home on Election Day a reason to vote.

In more than 40 interviews, Democratic candidates, consultants and party chairs from every region pointed to internal polls that give Clinton strikingly high unfavorable ratings in places with key congressional and state races.

Continued: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081200546.html



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[MADem]

1. My, how subtle. NT

[snowbear]

3. But so very, very, VERY true MADem.

"In more than 40 interviews, Democratic candidates, consultants and party chairs from every region pointed to internal polls that give Clinton strikingly high unfavorable ratings in places with key congressional and state races".

[MADem]

7. And, just in case the point was missed, the unflattering pic?

The lily gilding there was over the top.

I'm sorry, these sorts of posts make an undecided voter more disposed to look more kindly at the candidate getting shit upon. It's constant here. And goes in waves.

Today is Clinton day, tomorrow will be Obama day, and then will be Edwards day.

[emilyg]

16. You bet!

can;'t stand this kind of underhanded attacks.

[snowbear]

18. Yo Em.. That photo was posted on here by a HILLARY SUPPORTER..

They posted it a couple of weeks ago, and it's shown up on several por-HRC posts since that time.

Do you want us to only post photos of her in certain lighting from now on?

...if so, you'd better also alert your fellow HRC supporters as well.

[emilyg]

20. The photo didn't bother me

The sly reason for the post did.

[snowbear]

21. Well, take heart dear pal Em...

According to MSongs, I was the 691st DU'er to post it today....


Hey -- deep down, we're all DU buddies forever!

[SharonAnn]

17. So, we should fill the media message-sphere with the favorable ratings.

There is much that she's associated with in the 1992-2000 that is favorable. Employment, the economy, foreign policy, etc.

I'd really to get those days back again.

[Apollo11]

23. How can Hillary take credit

for the achievements of the CLINTON-GORE Administration ???

That's like blaming Laura Bush for invading Iraq :eyes:

[paulk]

33. well, it's just that most people don't put Laura Bush

and Hillary Clinton in the same catagory...

[jmp]

2. This is much more informative than ...

The first 5 times it was posted. :P

[snowbear]

4. I don't live here like some people do....

Sorry, didn't see it jmp...

[jmp]

11. I don't mind. I was having some fun.

:)

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. That doesn't excuse you from doing chores.

Taking out the trash and walking the dog on Tuesdays is still open.

[msongs]

5. but not as informative as the first 690 times its been posted today nt

[MADem]

10. But...but...it's from the Washington Post!! Why, THEY'd NEVER lie, would they?

And they use sources like "They say" and "...most Democratic leaders agreed to talk frankly about Clinton's political coattails only if they remained anonymous, fearing reprisals from the New York senator's campaign. "

Just the people we can call if we need clarification on a HIT N RUN comment!!!

The way the thing is written, I expected the byline to be JANET COOKE!!!


If you don't get that byline reference, google the name...

[jkshaw]

6. They felt that way about Bill Clinton, too

[snowbear]

9. Hillary ain't no Big Dawg ... not even friggin close!!

[SaveElmer]

12. In many ways she is better...

More disciplined, more in control, more focused...

Interesting you post that picture...Big Dawg had to appear on the Arsenio Hall show precisely because of a lack of discipline, and had to shake things up....

Don't get me wrong, Bill has one of the best political minds in the country, but I think he is married to one of the few people who beat him in that area...

[snowbear]

13. I wish she sounded like him Elmer.....

I'm sorry.. but that voice.. it ((((GRATES))))

Don't fret though.

If Democrats decide that high negatives and no Independent voter support is still worth the risk and she someone slips in, we will all support her.

[SaveElmer]

14. She has improved her speaking style immeasurably...

And is certainly superior to many that have been elected...

But if such shallow considerations are what drive you...so be it...

"Sen. Clinton is inching ahead. Not only does she lead by a nose in two of the most important swing states in the Electoral College, but she is turning around independent and Republican voters who previously viewed her negatively," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

[Tellurian]

27. Yes, I've noticed that too..

also the head bobbing while speaking. It's not easy to change old habits that become part of one's speaking style. But, I'll take the head bobs over the torturous 'show and tell cartoons' causing my eyes to bleed when forced to find a message in there somewhere!

[William769]

25. And you my dear are no Carl Rove, as much as you try.

:rofl:

[SaveElmer]

8. But I thought insiders didn't know their assholes from their pie-holes...

At least that is what I am always told around here...but oh my, now that they say something Hillary detractors like...all is forgiven I guess...

[countmyvote4real]

15. Duh?

This is not news. The GOP pundits want her to be and have for over a year speculated/promoted that she would/should be the nominee for this very reason.

I cannot and will not attack her personally. I actually think she has become more comfortable in public speaking events. I just don't think another Clinton POTUS represents enough change after a second Bush dynasty.

Enough already. We need to move on.

[Hart2008]

19. "The problem is her political baggage: A whopping 49 percent ... unfavorable view of Clinton"

The problem is her political baggage: A whopping 49 percent of the public says they have an unfavorable view of Clinton compared to 47 percent who say they hold her in high regard, according to a Gallup Poll survey Aug. 3-5.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081200546_2.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070812/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_scared_democrats;_ylt=AlM1twWEtzVN.5_zWfaAKm.yFz4D

Well so much for the disinformation here on DU that Hillary's negatives have been falling.

:eyes::crazy::silly:

[Apollo11]

22. Wake up and pay attention !!!

We would be crazy to ignore the evidence from these polls.

Hillary Clinton is the dream candidate as far as the GOP is concerned.

If we want a to win the Whitehouse for more than just 4 years, we need a strong ticket.

Any ticket with Hillary Clinton at the top is going to be a tough sell in red states.

We need an experienced leader like Al Gore or Wes Clark at the top of the ticket.

Then put Obama in the VP slot so he will be ready to take over in January 2017.

We already know for sure that Wes Clark wants to run. See http://securingamerica.com

The only problem is that he is afraid it's too late for him to jump in.

Al Gore refuses to rule out running. Again - it's all about public support.

If we make it clear that we need Gore (or Clark) then they will do their duty.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. Silly larissa. Rudy's the one in drag.

oh wait, I read your post too quickly. never mind.

she does have strong negatives, and they are a drag on her. all the fears mentioned in the article are valid.

[Tellurian]

29. Funny though...Even though Obama's numbers are falling like a rock..

his negatives are still climbing.

Must be the name recognition thing-

[ChairmanAgnostic]

30. As personable as he is, and videogenic, I always thought he would.

flashes in the pan are great attention getters, much like greek cheese when the brandy ignites, but after it chills, you prefer to move on to the main course.

Maybe next time Obama will have more substance than a hot appetizer.

[Tellurian]

34. I like my Fetta on Pizza..

and never thought the presumptuous nominee was experienced enough or credible enough to be my president. Before he announced , I saw a spark of arrogance in his personality when he appeared on Leno. That was the warning for me. When he said, we need a "fresh face" and a new form of "clean politics" in Washington.. The kinder, gentler, meme coined by BushI..

Has anything in his performance thus far indicated he's proven himself as a man of his word? (in the slightest respect)

Not in my book, he hasn't.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

35. his rezko problems grow larger

turns out that rezko not only funded Obama, paid for his legal services (obama forgot about that, apparently, (despite Rezko being one of his biggest personal clients) and purchased, then "gave" at a super low cost, a large swath of land next to Obama's new house (where a beautiful wrought iron fence suddenly appeared like a mushroom) at prices that would make people scratch their heads, not only all that, but

Rezko turns out to have security issues in Iraq. His companies received money for security companies in baghdad, and apparently there is something wrong with the $$$ involved.

Obama and HIllary are nothing more than tools of corporate america. His wife's bonus and new promotion? gimme a break. His book deal? right. HIllary's book deal?

How else do they get such an infusion of cash, without much supervision and questioning? and why?

[Tellurian]

37. Hmm...

Hillary is far and away not involved with anything Bush related or Rezko related. Mortal enemies do not break bread together..nor do they work to enhance each others income. It's usually just the opposite!

Now this is of some interest:

==="Rezko turns out to have security issues in Iraq. His companies received money for security companies in baghdad, and apparently there is something wrong with the $$$ involved."===

If Rezko is involved in Iraq, the only reason he would/could be, is with approval of the Bush Administration. And the only way there is trouble with money is, if Rezko is not getting PAID! The plot thickens!

And just WHO put Rezko in touch with the Bush Neocons is key...and arranged this $$$$'s falling from heaven is even more interesting! I can't even begin to guess...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

38. rezko iz an equal opportunity zkum.

he bribed dems and Gopers as he saw fit, and spent loads in the early stages of promising pols, like Obama. he buys access, uses it for personal gain, and cares not at all what their actual policies are, other than they benefit him and his friends.

had HIllary been in Ill, she would have been connected to him somehow. he is so oily and sleazy that bottling him would put a major dent in our oil imports.

[Tellurian]

39. I'm not that familiar..

with Rezko's charming attributes. If Rezko made a deal with the devil, he'll surely wind up on the short end of the bargain. The trick will be extricating Obama from the sewage, unscathed and untarnished. Which is right up Rove's alley. Rather than his label of architect, he's more of a magician for choosing a fall guy in place of the real perp. He protected Cheney all the way.. That means he might have to protect Rezko to save brother Obama..

[Enrique]

28. Hillary haters have already internalized this truism

this line on Hillary has been going around for years, and i'm not sure people are aware of it. I keep hearing people repeat that Hillary is "too divisive" or that she has "too much baggage" as if it were fact.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

31. not a truism, not when it is based on personal experience.

Of all my democrat friends, I have one, just one, who admits to supporting Hillary. A lot more Obamians, RIcharsonians, Doddists, Edwardians, and even a few Bidenians. Oh, and a Gravelian.
Most dems I know don't like her, won't vote for her, and don't trust her. Mainly, for the same reasons that I don't. This matches the high negatives that people find.

[William769]

40. It's the company you keep.

All my friends are supporting Clinton. So I guess my friends cancel out your friends. See how that works.

[wyldwolf]

32. this is just the MSM trying to scare us into not nominating her because the GOP is scared of her

yeah... I'm getting pretty good as these conspiracy theories!

[opihimoimoi]

36. WTF is this crap...she gonna kick GOP ass...

[Vinca]

41. If Hillary is the candidate, this will be the dirtiest, nastiest campaign

in the country's history. I'm not saying she won't win, but be prepared for stuff that will make the Swifties seem like the Welcome Wagon. Right off the bat they'll make an issue about her not releasing her "First Lady" papers from the Clinton library. We'll be reliving White Water and cattle futures and Vince Foster and Monica Lewinsky and HillaryCare and heaven knows what. The good news is, if Rudy is the nominee and Democrats don't revert to "making nice" (SOP), Hillary's past is going to be boring in comparison.