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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:26 AM
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I no longer fear the Kucinich Revolution.


Most folks I know have a preferred candidate - Hillary, Obama, Edwards or Gore. But the crazy thing is, they will turn right around and say, you know who I really want to vote for? Kucninch.

I have those same feelings - I love Kucinich and think he would make the best President. His values most closely resemble my own. Why not vote for him?

Irrational fear. Total fear that the Republicans will lie about Kucinich and Fred Thompson will win the election. Wait, the GOP is gonna lie anyway, no matter what, so why the fear?

One thing I finally noticed about Kucinich during the AFL-CIO debate was how Kucinich always made more points during his alloted time than other candidates. I have been thinking about this and found the answer when I was reading the transcript. Kucinich doesnt equivocate. He doesnt dance around an issue - he goes straight for the explanation and since his past is not littered with idiotic support of bad bills, HE has nothing to fear, so why do I?

Yes, why do I fear? Do I think Hillary can win? No. I think she loses the election, the second she is nominated. Isnt THAT something to fear? Do we think Fred Thompson, Gingrich or whatever other ass-wipe the GOP nominates will give a shit about universal healthcare, the environment or peace? Nope, it will be a straight continuation of 8 years of BushCo. Isnt my fear displaced?

Who is the strongest Democrat in Congress? Kucinich.

What Congressman never LOST their spine in the politically crushing days after 9-11? Kucinich.

Who knows how to answer a direct question asked by We The People? Kucinich.

I think something changed for Kucinich during the AFL-CIO debate - I cant put my finger on it, but something changed. Maybe it was his eagerness to address We The People with truth, honesty and integrity? Maybe it was just the other candidates equivocating on whatever nonsense answer their staff prepared for them months ago?

Maybe it was because the other candidates showed fear and Kucinich didnt. He never flinched.

That is leadership as I see it. And from this point forward I will NOT fear to support Kucinich.

He is just like me. My values are the same as his. If I was in Congress, I would vote like he does. I no longer fear. I refuse to allow the GOP to manipulate me into supporting lesser candidates.

That just might be called courage.

link:
http://www.towncalleddobson.com/?p=820
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:32 AM
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1. I now welcome it with open arms!
He was awesome in that last debate!

TC



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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:34 AM
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2. I saw kucinich on Logo last night
he made the point that the other democratic candidates give LIP service to gays but do nothing and will probably do nothing in office (hillary has a legacy of this as her DLC centrist husband enacted heinously bad legislation against gays after taking our money)


i'm convinced to support and fight for Kucinich. he's the right candidate.

i'm contacting his organization and having a house party for him..

he has a chance of winning if all of us stop saying 'he has no chance' and just get behind him the way progressives got behind dean and helped dean raise money and win DNC chairmanship.

it can happen.

it probably already is.

Kucinich can win the presidency.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:49 AM
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11. The first callers on Ed Schultz today
were talking about being in favor of Kucinich, and were mad that he's always dismissed. We already know that the MSM lies--why should we believe their opinions?

Don't forget-DK will be on Ed's show Wednesday, Sept. 12, for the ENTIRE three hours!
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:11 PM
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17. and he kicked butt during the AFL-CIO debate
I'd give him the win for both!

The DLC whines that we have to go after the undecided votes in the middle of the spectrum - I call bullshit we need to worry about the Green/Nader voters and Kucinich will capture them.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #17
53. A Hillary nomination will see mass defections
of Anti-War/Pro-LABOR Democrats to a 3rd party.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #53
130. You're right and that's why the MSM and the republicans love her
Hillary and Terry M. will see to it the republicans retain the White House
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #17
129. Yes indeed!
The 2000, Greens in Maine switched their allegience to Kuchinich, for 2004! There's a BIG organic farming movement going on in the state, hopefully not compromised by the new/ ( OLD) Farm Bill.
Vote for Dennis in your primary, and if he still isn't nominated......................WRITE HIM IN IN THE NOV. 2008 ELECTION!
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:40 AM
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106. I think the thing most of the pundits don't get
Kucinich has some hope of drawing in some of the nearly 80 million who don't vote regularly. Sure, the media will manage to convince a lot of the middle level voters to vote for someone else. But for all those people who haven't seen a candidate for a long time that represents their interests, I think it might be an awakening for them. If ever there were a time that we might have a chance to move back to the left, it would be now. The dissatisfaction with Republican corruption, perversion, and hypocrisy is at an all time high.

One other good thing may be that the MSM will probably be so anti-Kucinich that they may overplay their hand, and expose their conservative bias. They've worked for a long time to cultivate this pretend-liberal status. It could work to our advantage. I'm going to vote for him. I've always voted for the guy whose positions I liked best, the rest be damned. Most electable? That's fiction anyway, as we saw with Kerry, he was a pitiful candidate. Many saw him as more electable than Dean, but he ended up being a mealy mouthed sap.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:34 AM
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3. A guest on WJ this morning said, in essence that he thinks DK
has the best positions but that he comes off "flakey". And that's so strange to me because DK has been more consistent on his positions than anyone I can think of. How does that read as "flakey"? :shrug:

We're so used to highly polished productions that real people seem odd? Is that it?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:36 AM
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4. It's a meme that is used to discount DK. If anyone both talks the talk and walks the walk,
it's Dennis Kucinich. I love the guy and find myself in agreement 95% of the time.
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. HE is the ONLY Dem. candidate that has my vote
otherwise it will be 4 to 8 more years of perpetual war and business as usual.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Me TOO
Otherwise I go 3rd party. take that.
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #32
46. Wow. How considerate of you.
"Give me who I want or i'm going home!" Enjoy President Guiliani then.
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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:08 AM
Response to Reply #46
73. i had a dog named slick
Laughing, so you are psychic good for you I am a vet, I have voted all my life and I have learned one thing about voting, if the person you vote for doesn't make it, then why in the world would you vote for someone you don't like. Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining......it's dogie dog out there......However I will vote for someone else if need be.....like Gore......it's pretty simple it's my vote not yours.......If I take my ball and go home all pissed off.....what's it to you......blessings
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slick8790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #73
138. You would vote for someone you don't like
because you're intelligent enough to see how much worse the alternative is.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:28 AM
Response to Reply #46
98. Which would be an impressive statement on your part
If Hillary weren't certain to be Giuliani in a pantsuit.
(..And let's all get THAT image out of our minds RIGHT NOW...)

Only a candidate who speaks truth to power can be trusted to do anything worthwhile WITH power. Weasel words now mean weasel actions then.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #46
104. They're just emulating Kucinich himself
who voted against a troop withdrawal plan because it wasn't an immediate withdrawal.

All or nothing. Black or white. Give me everything I wnat NOW, or I go home.

Compromise is a dirty word to them.

It's counter to our entire political system and our history, but I guess it makes them feel good.
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bedpanartist Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #104
121. our political system is corrupt, because of compromise
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 09:34 AM by bedpanartist
some things you just don't compromise on - the life and death of our soldiers is one.

I know it is hard for people whose souls are already compromised to understand that.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:41 AM
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125. oh please
The entire system is based on compromise. The constitution itself was a compromise.

If compromising can save 1000 troops, but not compromising kills 5000, what have you gained?

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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:19 AM
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131. right
Because compromise has worked so well so far. You cannot compromise on pulling out of Iraq. It is either something you do or do not do. What is the compromise between a pull out and a surge?

Yeah compromise is a part of the government, but a compromise requires two clearly stated and reasoned positions. If we walk in already 'compromised' then what good is negotion; if the Dems we put up are DLC stooges that are seemingly pro war (see Ford) then where rests the compromise?

If the Democrats make a clear and strong position against the war (with over 60% of Americans on their side) then what the hell do they have to lose?
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bedpanartist Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #125
132. I can't visualize
people being reduced to numbers.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #132
158. well goody for you
it must make you superior or something.

The fact is, this war will end through a compromise. ALL things in politics is a compromise. To pretend that compromise is a weakness or a flaw is nuts. I don't understand how people who believe such things can bear to follow politics - it must be constantly disheartening.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #104
168. You are twisting the facts,
Kucinich voted against a funding bill dressed up as a pull out bill.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #32
146. Remember Kinky and the TX gov race 2006
If not for 3rd parties there, we'd have Governor Bell right now.

Unless we get instant-runoff voting (yeah, right), a 3rd party is just going to mess it up for the Democrats (I present 2000 and 2004 for your consideration).

We the people have got to take over the Democratic party.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:39 AM
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5. Well you see, you just don't have the right definition of flakey
To the corporate controlled media and corporate controlled candidates, speaking to the needs of the ordinary person is rather flaky. To the rest of America however, this definition of flaky actually comes across as common sense and much needed relief from the past decades of governmental abuse.

Yep, a non-abusive government is indeed a "flaky" thing ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Now I get it!
lol
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #5
80. Yep, wanting to help the average person=flakey; being sick of corporations=flakey.

I want Flakey Dennis for president!
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:05 PM
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149. Yeah, Me, too. I want K-NOW-flake
Linda Goodman invented the term "knowflake" in one of her books, Gooberz. It means you're full of wisdom and knowledge.

Go, K-NOW-Flake Dennis! :kick:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #3
15. yes. that's it.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
20. His friendship with Shirley McClaine is one reason he comes across
as flakey. So are statements like this:

The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our soul. The energy of the stars becomes us. We become the energy of the stars.

And having a wife with a tongue stud doesn't help either.



http://books.google.com/books?id=l4eO8AGvnAgC&pg=PA65&l...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:24 PM
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29. I see.
:rant:

People with a personal dislike of S.M. or a bigotry against whatever her belief system is might think that someone who gets along with her is "flakey."

People who speak poetically are "flakey," and people who can integrate spirit and science are "flakey."

People who need to judge others based on subjective and shallow criteria like fashion, instead of substance, might think his wife is "flakey."

Jesus H. Roosevelt Christ.

I think it is "unamerican" to judge people according to their belief systems or their culture, which includes fashion.

It's a good think Einstein didn't express his thoughts on spirituality and science poetically, or he would have been "flakey," too.

I am not going to be ruled by what others think, when those others' thoughts are so incredibly narrow-minded, short-sighted, shallow, and just plain stupid.

Rant off.

I'm glad that he does not come across as "flakey" with everyone; it gives me some hope for the future of the nation.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #29
50. Einstein wouldn't have made a good President.
Brilliant, but too . . . well, you know.

That's a good analogy.

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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #50
70. EXCUSE ME
how the hell would you know.........
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #70
155. I grew up hearing stories about Einstein
from people who had known him. And I've read biographies.

Are you seriously arguing that he would have been a good President?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #50
178. Thanks.
Good president or not, I think that those who think outside the iron box of convention ought to be highly valued, highly respected members of any community, and they ought to be taken seriously.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #29
180. Nice rant....
:hi: and I totally agree, LWolf.

:hug: DR
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #20
81. Would you really vote against someone because

his wife has a tongue stud? I didn't think anybody was uptight about piercings anymore.

I live in a really red area of a red state and there are lots of people with obvious piercings here, and tattoos, too. Nobody pays any attention now. Fifteen years ago, they did, but not now. It's like interracial couples, there are so many that no one stares now.

Yeah, he's kind of New Agey Catholic but there are a lot of New Agey Catholics around, you must see them where you live.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #81
156. I can't imagine a candidate surviving the general election
with a wife with a tongue stud. From the typical Stepford wife to a hippie with a tongue stud? It's too big a leap.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #20
95. Damn. Even more reasons to favor Kucinich
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bedpanartist Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #20
123. nice judgemental crap
what the hell does having a wife with a tongue stud have to do with anything other than the bias of old farts?

It find it rather funny that the average white bread American think that they are somehow "normal" when compared to the average world citizen, they are among the weirdest freaks on the planet.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #20
139. you WISH your wife had a tongue stud
i wish MY wife had a tongue stud. and was a 6' british redhead that looks like this:



99% of men in america wish their wives had tongue studs, even if they wouldn't admit it at their megachruch. that's not kucinich's obstacle. even misogynist patriarchal GOP prudes would high-5 him if they could.

and i prefer that new-age mooncalf sentence to fundy monotheism anywhere, anytime.

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #139
157. Um, no. Are you kidding?
Look, some of you guys may be salivating, but the electorate is made up of a majority of women.

And I don't know any women who are impressed by his cradle robbing, or by her tongue stud. That doesn't mean he won't have women voting for him, but his wife isn't the reason why -- for many of us, she's more of a hurdle to get over.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #157
173. Cradle robbing? She's an adult woman who worked with

the poor in India immediately after high school. Then she returned to the UK, earned two degrees, worked with the poor in Kenya.

She was in the US working on an issue and went with her boss to Kucinich's office. They were intrigued with each other right away. She e-mailed him about something to do with politics and pretty soon the e-mails were flying back and forth. Then they met again, at Shirley McClaine's house, stayed up all night talking, knew they were in love, and got married a couple of months later.

I'm a woman much closer to Dennis's age than to Elizabeth's and I think it's a great love story. He didn't go out looking for a young wife and she didn't go looking for a husband twice her age. They met by chance and fell in love. I don't see anything wrong with it and neither do her parents, even though they're a bit younger than Dennis.

She's a beautiful woman and cares very much about social issues, she married a man with similar concerns and philosophy.

Why are you so upset because she has a tongue stud?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #139
174. That picture was after Tweety's post-debate interview with Dennis.

Did you see it? They were all sitting on tall chairs and Elizabeth never did the "adoring wife" simper, she looked at Tweety and listened to his questions, just turned her head a bit toward Dennis when he was speaking. Her hair was this gorgeous cascade almost obscuring her lovely face but occasionally we saw her face.

Mr. Bones said, "Damn, no wonder Dennis smiles all the time!" and "She is really hot."

Wait 'til I tell him she has a tongue stud, too! :rofl:



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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #3
48. Probably because...
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 05:04 PM by bear425
On last night's LGBT debate on LOGO, DK was talking about LOVE and everyone being interconnected. After all, there's no place for LOVE and UNITY within the military industrial complex, therefore, DK must be a flake. :sarcasm:

I'm voting for the "flake".

edit: in the primary DK gets my vote. In the general election I will support whomever is the Dem candidate.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #3
128. in his yute, he failed as mayor.
of course, he had a lot of help from the entrenched powers who did NOT want to see him succeed.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #128
175. He failed to sell out, which I think is a great success.

You been watching "My Cousin Vinny," talking about "yutes"? Great movie.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #175
176. yup
the whole North South thing is done quite deftly.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:40 AM
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6. those who REALLY wants to help the Kucinich campaign...NOW IS THE TIME TO DONATE!!
you can do it RIGHT NOW on DU/Act Blue.

If those who care about the issues Mr. Kucinich raises donate NOW HE

WILL BE A TOP-TIER CANDIATE!!


I'm not addressing those who do not support Congressman Dennis Kucinich

and do not agree with him on the issues. I'm addressing those who DO

support Congressman Kucinich and/or do agree with him on the issues:

Donating to the Kucinich 2008 campaign through DU/ACT Blue is very fast.

It's very easy. Do it now!

link:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12518
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Some are supporting Congressman Kucinich because they strongly believe he can win. Others are supporting him because they support his agenda (or at least most of it) and want those issues brought to the center of public debate.

Mr. Kucinich does not have the funding of the top-tier candidates. Corporate lobbyist seeking government favoritism for their special interest wont be writing their $2300 checks paying for access like they do for other candidates. But small donations DO add up very, very fast. That's how the Dean campaign became a significant force in 2004.

So whether or not you are convinced that Congressman Kucinich could possibly win...if you want the issues only Dennis Kucinich raises brought to the public square, if you believe his message of Strength through Peace is important, that the whole question of corporate control of government is important, that single-payer universal health care is important, if you believe American needs fundamental changes; his campaign needs a lot more money then it has in its coffers now.

IF anywhere near half the people who agree with Congressman Dennis Kucinich on the issues sent him a donation -- he would be a major top-tier contender very, very fast:

Donating through DU/ACT Blue is very fast. It's very easy. Do it now! I did...

link:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12518

He won't be getting a whole lot from the corporate lobbyist buying access for their special interest and paying for favoritism... so ...

PLEASE DONATE NOW ! you can do it RIGHT NOW on DU/Act Blue.

It's fast. It's very easy. Do it now! I did..

link:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12518

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Congressman Dennis Kucinich on the issues:

http://www2.kucinich.us/issues

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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:59 AM
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16. Already donated and will again, more people need to help keep his word out there!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #6
24. Remember in "They Thought They Were Free" where the Good German (The professor who squirrels away
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 02:07 PM by truedelphi
Dozens of Jews to the safety of Switzerland) he states that he lost his country the moment he agreed to the Loyalty Oath.

His explanation was "No I am not naive enough to believe that if I alone Had opposed the Loyalty Act, then my country would be safe.

But that fact that if I had opposed it, rather than being scared into accepting, then perhaps all those others who were just like me, all of us who were well educated, of a decent status in society, if ALL OF US, had opposed it, then Hitler's regime would never have gone forward." (I am paraphrasing)

That is why I will vote for Kucinich. If everyone like me who knows in their heart that there REALLY are enough others to make it happen - well, that is the only way it is going to happen.

If Kucinich were a shoemaker, his soles would have no holes.

I am not gonna vote for some shoemaker whose soles have five gaping holes - that makes no more sense to me than voting for a shoemaker whose soles have ten gaping holes.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #24
84. Yes. Everyone ought to read that about once a month, just as a reminder

of how it happened in Germany.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #6
42. and of course SPREAD THE WORD!
Recruit donors for Dennis Kucinich --

Email your friends, family, and colleagues

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It's fast. It's very easy. Do it now! I did..

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
58. I swore that because of the early start on the campaigns I would
not donate to anyone until fall.

Last night I donated to Kucinich.

Had to help pump him up while he's on a roll - before he gets bulldozed by the corporatists.

I encourage everyone to do the same!
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
63. You are exactly right. Let's give him a well deserved
donation Attaboy. He doesn't equivocate, shuffle his feet, or side-step. He is what he is. :toast:
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beastieboy Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:41 AM
Response to Original message
7. They don't have to lie about him. There are enough reasons not to elect him
The republicans would have a field day dragging up when he was mayor of Cleveland, and most americans are not ready for a new-age president. I like him too, I'm just saying.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #7
21. Kuchinich panders to every special interest group on the planet..
His deal is...."Tell them what they want to hear"...

but never produce any legislation to help them, that gets passed by Congress. :(
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beastieboy Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. As long as he is at 2%, no one bothers to look very close.
And he can say anything he wants.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. And use the opportunity for a 'face time' fund raising appeal..
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:35 AM
Response to Reply #23
100. So we should nominate YOUR candidate, who agrees with Republicans on everything that matters.
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 04:35 AM by Ken Burch
Why are you so bloody arrogant about all this? Hillary isn't THAT special or even all that popular. And she usually loses in the head-to-heads with the GOP. She's not worth anybody's support and the quote you use from her is weasel words.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #100
109. Thanks for your concern..
support your own candidate. If you can't provide links to back up your statement, don't bother pontificating to me about mine.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #109
136. No, thanks for your concern.....
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #109
152. I can back up my statement
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 01:23 PM by Ken Burch
1)poll after poll has been posted here on DU showing HRC losing to all leading GOP candidates in head-to-head races. This proves she can't claim to be"the most electable". If you're behind now, you aren't any more electable than anybody else. A fact which, by itself destroys the rationale for any support for HRC. End of discussion.

2)The snide little quote of HRC you posted, a quote that commits HRC to using the nukes exactly as the Dubster would, and that also glories in being cynical and indefinite.

3)HRC's dissent-free partication in every conservative decision Bill ever made(which means she'll be just as conservative). Her claim that Bill was still a Democrat AFTER he signed the welfare persecution bill.

4)HRC's CONTINUING refusal to repent her IWR vote.

That's everything that matters right there.

We elect her, she'll be bomhing Iran and trying to overthrown Hugo Chavez. She'll also be pushing for more "free trade" which means she'll be antiworker and antipoor. And she'll continue to keep progressives just as far out in the cold as we were in the 90's, when we had a Democratic administration that agreed with the Republicans on everything that mattered.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #152
181. link or slink..
If you call that backing your statements...you are sadly mistaken.

#2 Please don't blame others for your lack of reading comprehension!

#3 Hillary's voting record indicates you're delusional!

According to Hillary's voting record she is considered a

Moderate Liberal

standing just Left of Center.


http://www.issues2002.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm




#4 Hillary doesn't have to apologize for Bush Lie.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. "panders to every special interest groups" as opposed to those patriotic corporate lobbyist
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 03:09 PM by Douglas Carpenter
who fund the other the candidates in order to purchase their access and influence?

This is truly Orwellian to describe the grassroots of ordinary Americans and rank and file Democrats as "panders to special interest groups". I guess the corporate lobbyist when purchasing favoritism, influence and access when funding other candidates while attending those $2300 a plate dinners for the rich and famous must be the "the people petitioning their government". :eyes:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. Let's see....
should we have a president that "panders" to those "special" corporate interest groups, or to those groups of special people interested in the health and welfare of the people and the nation?

Pandering to the people.

:rofl:

It doesn't get any more Orwellian than that.
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #21
47. Ain't that the truth...
Ever notice how at every debate he rolls out these bills that he sponsors...but none ever become law..HMMMMMM? Wonder why that is? Could it be that b/c he is the POLAR opposite of GWB...My way or the highway for the left?
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #47
115. That's because he doesn't cave in to the Republican's wishes, like so many other Democrats,
including other Democratic presidential candidates.

Also notice how Kucinich is the only one who can actually 'roll out' a lot of bills that he sponsors, because he has a record to back up his statements, as opposed to the other candidates.
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #115
160. And how many bills have become law
Not co-sponsored....but Sponsored himself...I'll tell you...NONE!
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #160
164. Any source to back that up? But anyhow: it only means other Democrats and Republicans are not doing
a good job representing the people! Otherwise, they would've supported Kucinich's bills.
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JANdad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #164
166. Just check his congressional website...
and your argument is lame..."Otherwise, they would've supported Kucinich's bills"...do you really think that DK is the ONLY enlightened one in congress?
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #166
182. One of the few. How do I know? They all cave in to Bush every time.
There are good senators and congressmen, but they're not a majority.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #166
184. Your guy was only in the senate one term, and spent a few years in a GOP-controlled House before.
Did Edwards get anything passed that mattered?
(Don't get me wrong, I'd support the guy if nominated, but no Dems had a good record of getting stuff passed after 1994, so your measurement here is meaningless.)
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #160
167. He is pushing important legislation just by running for president.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #47
183. It would have a lot to do with the fact that Dennis was in a GOP-controlled Congress
Democrats don't get stuff passed in a Republican Congress. At least nothing that isn't so watered-down and fatally compromised that it's pointless to get it passed.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
60. LOL!
This, from a HillShill!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #60
82. Really! Hill is the one who tells people what they want to hear and

doesn't intend to act on it.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #21
83. Congressman are chickenshits who don't want to do anything.

They don't want to support anything that would make a significant difference. That's not Kucinich's fault, it's the fault of the voters who elect the gutless wonders to Congress.

And what has Hillary done? Voted for the war, for the PATRIOT Act, for the bills to fund the war, etc., etc.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #83
120. They're not chickenshits. They are complicit. n/t
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:18 AM
Response to Reply #21
103. A Clinton supporter accusing DK of pandering. I'll be giggling the rest of the day.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #103
177. Yes, indeed. It is to

laugh.

:rofl:
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #21
118. hey...i'll let you in on a little secret...it's because ALL THE REST OF THEM SUCK!
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
35. Saved Cleveland almost $200M- Wikipedia
Wikipedia-
In 1998 the council honored him for having the "courage and foresight" to stand up to the banks and saving the city an estimated $195 million between 1985 and 1995.

Any DEM that fears Kucinich is simply brainwashed by corporate media. The only unelectable candidates are Clinton and Obama. Republicans would be estatic if either won the primary. You think middle america is ready for a woman or black?
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #7
49. What is there to pull up from Kucinich's Mayor of Cleveland days?
There is the firing of the police commissioner, which Kucinich responds to in the Tom Snyder interview.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xtnVjM5pTn4

The default because he refused to sell Muny Light will end up being a net plus.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3z0rk5RoP2U

I think his mayor of Cleveland days will help more than hurt.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #49
72. most analysis say Kucinich was ahead of his time
only years later does he get thanked for his efforts.
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
78. He didn't do anything wrong when he was mayor of Cleveland
So let them drag it up. There was recently even a story on a corporate news channel on how he was nearly assassinated when he was mayor. They don't know why, possibly because he wasn't giving in to mafia interests, or maybe because he wouldn't sell the power company.

I wish I could find the link again, it was really well done. If anyone has the link, can you please post it.
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The Traveler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:43 AM
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8. I fear DK ... but ...
Yeah, I get the conventional wisdom about him. And that worries me. But I, too, saw something else during the debate ... something I had never seen before ...

Well I had seen it, but didn't add it up. The man has more backbone than anyone else on the stage. Compared to Dennis Kucinich, most politicians have the IQ of a carrot. He is passionately committed to the common American. And he is willing to crash and burn for his beliefs. Really, he showed me nothing new ... nothing he hadn't shown me before ... but he showed it all at once.

In truth, I could live with any of that seven as nominee. But for me, it now comes down to Edwards or Kucinich and I am leaning DK.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:47 AM
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10. DK has my money and my vote
I don't have much cash, but it went to Kucinich. If you agree with his stands, you should support him, if only to move the other candidates. Otherwise, how in the world are you expecting us to ever get out of Iraq, have single payer health care, or solve the energy crisis?
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:54 AM
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12. Well said, very well put ...
Let us hope that We The People will arise and dare to be great, which can be done by electing Kucinich in 2008.

I can find no reason to trust or believe the crudely calculated rhetoric of any of the other candidates.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:55 AM
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13. Kucinich Would Be A Bad President
It is precisely the characteristics that make Dennis Kucinich so appealing that would doom his presidency.

This is a man who stands up for his beliefs.
This is a man who does not equivocate.
He does not compromise.

Unless we can elect more people who think like real Democrats to Congress and Senate, none of Kucinich's programs will pass. The corporate interests will fight him every step of the way. Bold, uncompromising President Kucinich will not yield an inch, and he will go down in flames.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. I thought/think the same. But he does have a track record.
Granted it wasn't federal level. But he fought the big boys. That's how he got into office. He's the Michael Moore of politics, in a way.


Your words are the same ones going through my head during the debate. I think it was Biden who was making me think this stuff.


The bottom line is, if we had him in office we'd be better off than any other candidate. At least he'd resist. But I think his past speaks for itself. Things were better off in Cleveland for him.

I guess the test will be if Americans want a beer with their candidate, or if they want a country with their candidate.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:49 PM
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
51. There Is A Middle Ground Here, You Know
Look at Bill Clinton. No, not the corporatist stuff. Take, for example, homosexuals serving in the military. Now in 1992 he was NOT with the majority of Americans in wanting to allow it. But, he talked about it anyway. He got into office and what did he do - "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

Shameful, right? He backed down, wussed out. Yep.

Now, many people realize the problems with DADT and want to allow gays to serve openly. However, the funny thing is, many Conservatives are okay with DADT. Fifteen years ago, these Conservatives opposed gays in the military.

Here's another example - universal health care. Kucinich is probably right that it should be single payer. And a President Kucinich would refuse to entertain any other ideas. He would fight and fight and fight - most nobly. Meanwhile, over forty million Americans have no coverage. Other candidates want to do "wussy half measures" - but if they pass that's more people with coverage. And, slowly we can work to the point where Americans are comfortable with a universal/single payer system. But, in the meantime, people are gaining coverage.

I see myself as more of a pragmatic Democrat. We have to be smart enough to recognize the battles we cannot win and tough enough to fight the ones we can. I also think sometimes we can approach the same solution a different way. Don't keep trying to batter down the steel enforced front door when you can jimmy a window in the back.

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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #51
71. Dont Ask Dont Tell is not Universal Healthcare, you are passive
I've got gay family in the military and understand DADT and its importance. But come on, you can't seriously compare it to universal healthcare.

Your attitude is what gets us a Democratic Congress that rolls over at the first sign of trouble. You don't see Republicans giving up the battle. Maybe that's why they kicked DEM ass the last 8 years. Does FISA illegal wiretapping feel good?

Have you noticed BU$HCO beat the crap out YOUR steel enforced front door and invaded YOUR home. I want a candidate that can beat the shit out of BU$HCO. Not some suck-ass that CNN/FOX tells me is best. Dennis is the real deal.

Answer this questionare and see which candidate you should vote for. Then check out the results. Not surprising really.
http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #71
116. Big surprise there
I should vote for Kucinich...but my heart is really with Gore. Please run, Al! PLEASE!!!
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #51
134. Not for long...
Odd that you would headline your argument with a declaration that there is a middle class. Considering what NAFTA and the WTO are doing to the middle class I think that might be a weak point to start the argument. To fully blame Bush for the dissolution of the middle class is short sighted.

Sure you can definitely blame him for beating up the working poor and for kicking old people and children in the teeth with his cuts to social welfare, mystification of medicare, and the favoring of crooked lenders for homes and education. But for the creation of more poor people you need only look at the free trade policies that have liquidated American jobs. Of course Bush and the replutocrats are pro big business and pro free trade, but it was Clinton that wanted to get in on NAFTA, the WTO, and fast track trade policy. The environment, working wage, and political sovereignty be damned.

As far as comparing a simple policy DADT to Healthcare it is like comparing apples to photographs of pineapples. There is not economic stake from which to lobby and dissolve attempts at universal health coverage. A simple statement of 'No-More' would have resolved the gays in the military issue completely. Clinton chose to compromise.

I find it amazing that you act like DADT is a success becuase conservatives are ok with it now. More gays have been thrown out per year since DADT than each year before it. Please do not pretend this is progress.

Can you imagine more insurence companies being involved in 'healthcare reform'? Dear gods they are the greediest of the greedy and the best thing that could happen to most of them is to be put out of business. What about the undercovered? Surely you have seen Sicko? Or do you buy into the HMO/Insurence company hit job pieces done on it?
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #51
172. If you don't vote for the Kucinich health care bill in the primaries,
you will not get it. Now is the time to vote for it.

Even if you do not like Kucinich for whatever reasons, you have to vote for him just for the health care issue alone. This issue is too important.

The way to jimmy a window in the back is to vote for what you want in the front. Otherwise you dont get crap.

ANd the wussy half measures are not going to work with health care. The problem is the insurance companies are taking too much. No other candidate is addressing this. Half measures will just be more big government spending, and our government is running on major deficit spending. Only the Kucinich plan will work.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #13
41. I am willing to give him (and us) that chance.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #13
61. Maybe, just maybe, with a real democrat at the head of the party
we will find congressional democrats finding their democratic spines and standing up for the principles that drew them into politics in the first place.

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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
65. That's total Bull. There's a democratic congress also. Corporaste interests do not run Congress
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 12:16 AM by bjobotts
Though they like to think they do. There is underway campaign finance reform, ethics reform already passed, k street interest and lobbyists are who we are fighting against. Democrats will set the agenda. You act like everything will be the same as it is now except with Kucinich as president. We are driving republicans and their corporate interests out of politics which is why we need a Kucinich in there. Voted against the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the war funding bill, the authorization to wire tap. the FISA amendment and was the only one brave enough to introduce articles of impeachment against Dick Cheney. It seems you are saying he's too good for president and would not listen to the people or compromise. He is the only one who is listening to the people and is willing to compromise as much as 'we the people' are. Please take another look at him as president with a democratic congress...We need this kind of change, a man not beholding to corporate interests. We need Kucinich, it's time for a major change. No one is the perfect candidate but he comes the closest and the reasons for voting for him heavily out weigh the reasons not to vote for him. I don't understand why people so easily dismiss him unless it's like in high school when someone isn't "cool" enough but really doesn't have a legitimate reason to be excluded from the group. I was the same way with Kucinich and finally looked and listen and asked myself why I was so willing to dismiss him when he was the only one voting or talking the right way on everything. Then I thought what is wrong with me? Have I been conditioned some how to reject the very one who is saying everything I believe. Made no sense so now I'm supporting Kucinich, not because I dislike the others but because I agree most with Kucinich.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:59 AM
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14. Integrity = Kucinich! I will forever remember his courage!
Congratulations Congressman Kucinich - You ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!! :toast: :yourock: :pals:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:09 PM
Response to Original message
25. Give lots and lots of money to DK
and let us know how that works out!!
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:19 PM
Response to Original message
27. "I'd rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for what I don't
want and get more of it".

Can't remember who said this.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. I think alot of 2000 Nader voters said that...
you know, not a dimes worth of difference between Gore and Bush, right?
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #33
43. I hate to say it but there isn't much difference between them.
fundamentally they are both tied into the big money machine. Don't forget that Clinton and Poppy are both members of the Trilateral Commission and John Kerry is a "Bonzer". Neoliberal dems are worse than the neocons because they sugarcoat their shit.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:29 PM
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45. except we're talking PRIMARY duh
Its not time to vote for least of two evils. Its time to vote ideals.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:32 AM
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99. So you're saying settle for yet another DINO
Even though that did no good whatsoever in '92 and '96. Those "victories" ended up being worse than defeats. We don't HAVE to nominate a candidate who disses us.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:15 AM
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119. I'm with you. I'm not throwing my vote away on any war-mongering asshole! n/t
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:21 PM
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28. THis time I"m making the Kucinich Stand
look it's not impossible

if he does a deal with Biden and Edwards for votes, they will collectively beat hillary or obama.

what I learned from my dean days is that whoever horse trades for iowa caucus votes wins.


Kucinich, get in the trenches and sign a deal with biden and edwards that they get VP and/or cabinet positions...

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:30 PM
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31. I've never feared it.
I embrace that revolution.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:00 PM
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54. I've never feared it cause - it ain't gonna happen
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:53 PM
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:03 AM
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92. It's quite possible
to know in one's soul that Kucinich is NOT the best candidate.

Disagreeing with you is not a moral failing.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:59 AM
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179. A revolution will happen. That's inevitable.
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 11:01 AM by LWolf
It's a little surprising to me how quickly the mighty U.S. has collapsed, and it has collapsed. Our constitution and the ideals it was written to uphold are going down in the flames of corruption. Robinson Jeffers' poem, written before I was born , illustrates it perfectly:

While this America settles in the mould of its vulgarity, heavily thickening to empire,
And protest, only a bubble in the molten mass, pops and sighs out, and the mass hardens,

I sadly smiling remember that the flower fades to make fruit, the fruit rots to make earth.
Out of the mother; and through the spring exultances, ripeness and decadence; and home to the mother.

You making haste haste on decay: not blameworthy; life is good, be it stubbornly long or suddenly
A mortal splendor: meteors are not needed less than mountains: shine, perishing republic.

But for my children, I would have them keep their distance from the thickening center; corruption
Never has been compulsory, when the cities lie at the monsters feet there are left the mountains.


And boys, be in nothing so moderate as in love of man, a clever servant, insufferable master.
There is the trap that catches noblest spirits, that caughtthey sayGod, when he walked on earth.


The bolding is mine. I, too, will keep my distance from the "center" as the farce of politics implodes. I'd rather have a Kucinich revolution than the revolution I see currently brewing. When the dust clears, whether DK had anything to do with it or not, I hope that the people who remain evolve in his direction, towards peace, towards social and economic justice.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:35 PM
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34. Just for laughs, Ill go ahead and ask...
Who is suppose to be "fearing" Mr. 2%?
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:51 PM
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37. Did you even SKIM the damn OP?
The whole point is the fear of supporting a "fringe", 2% candidate who nevertheless happens to stand for all the same things most of us stand for. If more people voted based on commonality of beliefs rather than the two or three media-sanctioned choices we're "supposed" to be voting for, his support would certainly stand higher than 2%.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:56 PM
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38. the other 98% ....
that are more closely aligned with his platform and idealogy. But, vote based on a corporate media and false concerns of his staying power. Kucinich is a people's president. He's getting my vote, and my hard earned money.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:03 PM
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39. I think I'll go to the track and bet on a horse I know
is going to lose.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:27 PM
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44. I think I'll go to highschool and vote for the football Quarterback
because he's going to win Prom King.

Your logic is :puke:
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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:02 PM
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55. In 2006 - Kucinich promised his constituents he wouldn't run for prez again - Oops!
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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:57 PM
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68. last week i promised i would do that again
but then again, every-morning when I do the same thing over and over i know i will always do it again....love is love......if i don't get it right .....then who......YOU!!!!!!!!! Blessings.....I know Kucinich is the one........
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:36 AM
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135. Wellstone made a promise too
He had promised to only serve two terms in the Senate.

As a Minnesotan I would have been happy if he had lived to break that damned promise!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:38 PM
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64. Maybe you didn't notice those union guys booing Hillary
and cheering Kucinich?

Of course, those union guys are just a woo-woo fringe of the democratic party.....
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 03:06 PM
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40. Hold that thought and put it into action in the Primaries. They are our votes not the CCM's.
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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 10:12 PM
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52. Kucinich's proposals are NOT realistic
Oh - they sound good - but would never happen.
The Insurance industry won't be abolished overnight - nor the WTO and NAFTA.
That's why I like John Edwards plans and solutions - they're viable. And the corporate media knows it - which is why he's dissed or dismissed 24/7. Kucinich is not a threat to the corporatists - but Edwards is.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:08 PM
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56. You support what you want to happen...
then whatever happens happens. But with your plan, there is a 100% chance of it not happening.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:23 AM
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75. Sure and war w/ Iraq w/Iran wiretap torture NOT realisitic either
oh - they sound horrible - but would never happen
Our VP would never "out" a CIA operative for political reasons
Thats why I like "CNN TOP CHOICE HERE" plans and solutions - they wont upset anyone. And the corporate media knows it - which is why he gets 10x the airplay 24/7. Kucinich is a threat to Imperialism.



I'm sure your a smart person and hopefully not offended by my :sarcasm:. Follow this link and find out why Kucinich is a secret.

http://www.dehp.net/candidate/index.php
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:30 AM
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86. Kucinich is the ONLY threat to the corporatists.

Clinton, Edwards, and Obama are corporatists at heart, supported by corporatists, but pretending to be different.

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Labdad95 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:42 AM
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97. A Loyal American
Nothing happens over night. Kucinich has the guts to stand up for what he believe and he's not tainted like everyone else.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:04 AM
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102. If Medicare is expanded to make all Americans eligible and is allowed to compete
with so-called private insurance, the health insurance industry would, indeed, disappear in short order and they know it.

If our President withdrew our support of NAFTA and the WTO, they too would simply dissolve and the corporate beneficiaries of this international "mafia" know it.

The common thread is that all corporatism depends on a lack of choice in order to survive.
:kick: & R

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:13 PM
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57. Welcome aboard the Kucinich Express!!!
:D

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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:25 PM
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59. He is at 2% because the media is ignoring him.
Even Keith Olbermann, after the AFL-CIO debate, said that Kucinch gained nothing.

Oh, look! It's Barack Clinton, the Britney Hilton of the political media scene.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:35 AM
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87. Not just ignoring him but saying he's "unelectable"! Notice how

Keith gave Clinton and Obama 30 seconds extra apiece because Dennis said HE voted against giving China Most Favored Nation status, "unlike some of my friends on the stage."

Olbermann said it was an indirect attack on HRC and BO, which was silly.

They've both gotten more time in all the debates than the others, they don't need extra time to answer a statement that 1) did not mention them by name and 2) was TRUE.

No more Countdown for me, he showed his colors there.
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:33 PM
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62. If there were levels of recommending this post would get the top one. n/t
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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:50 PM
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66. I applaud you
Listen, you are correct in all of your statements, Gore is a no brainer I would give the man my right arm if he would run, the rest is just a joke with the exception of Kucinich, borrowing a line from Joe Biden, Kucinich is the real deal......He's got my vote, my time and my money if Gore is a no show........
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #66
74. Change that to "as long as Gore is a no show"
Meaning support Kucinich NOW! Work for his organization. Contribute.

We cannot be simply waiting on the sidelines until Gore shows up.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:58 PM
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69. go for Kucinich if that is who you like best. He has some great ideas.
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SSpeedracer Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:34 AM
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76. Please answer this
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:52 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. I'm surprised. Dennis is wrong on NCLB.
The only item we disagree on.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:25 PM
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154. can you elaborate? nt
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:04 AM
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127. here you go
this laundry list of "issues" has only dubious value. note that it omits impeachment. my single most important issue, the prosecution of bush/cheney,inc., along with the full exposure to the american people of their crimes (including why no arrest in the anthrax attacks and why invade afghanistan BEFORE a full investigation of 9/11, and for that matter why no full investigation of 9/11 to date) is also omitted.

also note the score for some republicans is higher than for some dems. you'll just have to take my word for it that this poll does not accurately express my beliefs in regard to republican politicians.


Kucinich 51
No Child Left Behind

Gravel 41
(you have no disagreements with this candidate)

Obama 20
Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Same-Sex Marriage

Biden 15
Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Same-Sex Marriage

Clinton 15
Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage

Paul 14
Abortion Rights, Embryonic Stem Cells, ANWR Drilling, Kyoto, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase, Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare

Edwards 14
Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage

Dodd 13
Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action

Richardson 9
Death Penalty, Assault Weapons Ban, Patriot Act, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action, Same-Sex Marriage

Thompson -15
Cox -19
Brownback -22
Huckabee -24
McCain -32
Giuliani -34
Tancredo -43
Romney -44
Hunter -46
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #127
143. I just took it. The numbers are all wrong for the republicans. n/t
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:03 AM
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79. The media and the party, sad to say, want us to think Kucinich is

unelectable. But we're the voters!!!

Is he too radical? Not for most people, in my opinion. There aren't that many diehard conservatives (about 26%, ahem) and the "middle" that some people insist we must win is sick of war, sick of paying a fortune for health insurance or not having it at all, sick of seeing jobs going overseas, sick of the secrecy and spying, sick of the "terra alerts" conveniently issued whenever you-know-who is in trouble.

He IS getting taller! (Cute cartoon.) He's a really big man in a compact body.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:30 AM
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85. once a long time ago...there were Democrats who represented the people of this nation
they stood with the working class...with the folks who knew what it was to get along in the real world...

some of those folks were born with or without silver spoons in their mouths...but they cared...nonetheless..


men...like Roosevelt (FDR), and Truman...

perhaps people will be smart enough to vote for what is right instead of what is "electable"...and they will get what they deserve


a better nation...



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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:49 AM
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88. Know what my folks told me about Truman in 1948?
All their friends were standing in line to vote for Truman and saying, "I know he's not gonna win, but I'm votin' for him anyway!". Well, guess what?

It wasn't President Dewey that time.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:52 AM
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89. he's the only Democrat in the race
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:59 AM
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90. He tried to ban handguns after VTech. Political suicide, and 4 more years of Republicans.nm
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #90
133. OMG, he wanted to do the right thing instead of playing politics!!!
The man is insane!!
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:00 AM
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91. I'm in for Kucinich
Fuck the DLC
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:25 AM
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93. I am, wholeheartedly, at your side in full agreement. I voted for Dean last primary because he was
more "electable", and "popular". Never again. I don't care if my guy doesn't ever win. I will speak up and tell the truth: Dennis Kucinich is the leader that this country needs.
Dennis Kucinich is the man with the wisdom, vision, foresight, bravery, intelligence, compassion, gravitas, and passion needed to heave this world out of the depths.

Unfortunately those in power like Rupert Murdoch, Poppy, et al would hamstring him so quickly he likely would be ineffectual. Of course he might be able to fight his way out, but he would need super powerful allies.

Either way, D.K. has my vote!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:58 AM
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94. Eloquent & recommended.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 03:28 AM
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96. DK wont get elected cuz he's flakey? Whadya call Bush? his pic'a in the dictionary next to "flakey"
N2DOC, you humbled me with your words.
Everytime I watch Kucinich, I TOO say to
myself, "hey, this guy is JUST LIKE ME".

Ok, I'm ashamed to admit that at times I
have thought his ears make him look like
an elf from Lord of the Rings...
but then I hate myself after truly listening
to his words.

The quote up above about the material universe
and the spiritual world are profound to me.
He thinks clearly. He speaks clearly. I can
think of no one who obviously cares as much
about this country and the American people
(with the possible exception of Al Gorg).

You want to talk about "flaky" -- listen to
our current president. He is the epitome of
flake... can't finish one coherent sentence.
AND HE IS THE BUTT OF JOKES EVERYWHERE ON
THE PLANET... and he is the LEADER of the
free world. HA! Talk about a fucking joke!

Why is it that every time I vote, I have to
hold my nose first? I love what Kucinish said
during the Logo debate. LOVED IT. I thought
he was eloquent. Smart. And who knows? He
may just be clever to come up with some
unique ways of solving problems for America.

We don't know ALL his plans. I would wager
a guess that if anyone at DU sat down with DK
for dinner, by dinner's end they would be
totally convinced to vote for him. I like
him. Now that I think about it, he is the
ONLY candidate (except for Gore) that I truly
admire. I would be totally excited about having
dinner with him and finding out more about him.
I think he's a totally fascinating human being
and I'm not ashamed to admit it. I'd love to
have him as a friend, even if he wasn't a politician.

Every time I hear DK speak, I find myself saying
YEAH! YOU GO DENNIS. YOU'RE THE MAN.

I will donate money to his campaign and actively
support him. I should say that if he doesn't
win the primary, I WILL vote for whoever wins
the primary.

So, thanks N2DOC, you awoke my conscience and
put my head back on straight. GO DK! GO!!!!!
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:32 AM
Response to Reply #96
105. Much as I wish I could take credit I can't
The linked article wasn't mine. But I agree with its statements!
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 05:11 AM
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101. You're absolutely right.
Kucinich is an awesome person and candidate. If he doesn't win the primaries, maybe he could be strong VP.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:10 AM
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107. Gore.
Give me Gore.
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SutaUvaca Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:17 AM
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108. Dennis is the buzz with my small progressive circle
in this really really red corner of North Carolina. Lots of Edwards support among our gang, but DK is being noticed and his truthful and consistent stands much admired.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:19 AM
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110. My heart votes for Kucinich. My head votes for
Kucinich too!

I feel like the OP is so spot on. Dennis Kucinich is really the guy who overwhelmingly reflects my personal views. I think if I have the opportunity to do it, I will vote for him in the primary and WILL NOT consider it a wasted vote regardless of the outcome. At least then I will be doing what I keep demanding my representatives do.

My first preference is really Gore. Then Kucinich. Then Edwards. Then the field disinigrates for me personally. I want universal healthcare and I want real change, not incremental pretend change.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #110
148. Both our values and candidate preferences appear to be identical.
:hi:
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:17 PM
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162. Great! May our sub-species prosper!!!! nt.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:34 AM
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111. my thoughts exactly n/t
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:47 AM
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112. I voted for him in the 2004 primary
And will vote for him again in '08.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:49 AM
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113. Thank you! Please, spread the word and tell the people you were talking about, they should vote for
Dennis Kuncich!

He CAN win, if, like you said, the people who WANT to support him, actually DO support him. We got to end the self-fulfilling prophecy of 'the media say Hillary/Edwards can win, *so* I'll vote for her/him'!!
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MisterHowdy Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:52 AM
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114. Recommended
Kucinich is, by far, the most for-the-people candidate out there.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:10 AM
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117. k & r !!! Dennis is the best candidate BY FAR!!! n/t
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:36 AM
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122. those who REALLY wants to help the Kucinich campaign...NOW IS THE TIME TO DONATE!!

you can do it RIGHT NOW on DU/Act Blue.

If those who care about the issues Mr. Kucinich raises donate NOW HE WILL BE

A TOP-TIER CANDIATE!!


I'm not addressing those who do not support Congressman Dennis Kucinich

and do not agree with him on the issues. I'm addressing those who DO

support Congressman Kucinich and/or do agree with him on the issues:

Donating to the Kucinich 2008 campaign through DU/ACT Blue is very fast.

It's very easy. Do it now!

link:

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/12518
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Some are supporting Congressman Kucinich because they strongly believe he can win. Others are supporting him because they support his agenda (or at least most of it) and want those issues brought to the center of public debate.

Mr. Kucinich does not have the funding of the top-tier candidates. Corporate lobbyist seeking government favoritism for their special interest wont be writing their $2300 checks paying for access like they do for other candidates. But small donations DO add up very, very fast. That's how the Dean campaign became a significant force in 2004.

So whether or not you are convinced that Congressman Kucinich could possibly win...if you want the issues only Dennis Kucinich raises brought to the public square, if you believe his message of Strength through Peace is important, that the whole question of corporate control of government is important, that single-payer universal health care is important, if you believe American needs fundamental changes; his campaign needs a lot more money then it has in its coffers now.

IF anywhere near half the people who agree with Congressman Dennis Kucinich on the issues sent him a donation -- he would be a major top-tier contender very, very fast:

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He won't be getting a whole lot from the corporate lobbyist buying access for their special interest and paying for favoritism... so ...

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Congressman Dennis Kucinich on the issues:

http://www2.kucinich.us/issues

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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:38 AM
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124. Just stopped in to K & R! nm
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:55 AM
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126. kucinich is the ONLY dem candidate I will support, period....
If the democratic party nominates another fence-sitting, poll centered, self serving, issue splitting clod for president, they'll do it without me.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:41 AM
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137. Kucinich is my #1 pick. He shares most of my ideals.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:05 AM
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140. K&R for Dennis Kucinich!!
Nice cartoon :)
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:06 AM
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141. nice toon
:kick:
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:10 AM
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142. Viva la Kucinich Revolution
It has a nice ring to it :)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:18 AM
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144. Is this a "vanity" question . . . ? Can we accept and defend a leader who looks like Kucinich?
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:38 AM
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145. If you want "ugly", just take a gander at Fred Thompson.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 01:01 PM
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151. Yeah, but Thompson is tall and ugly -- !!!! America votes for TALLL -- !!!!
I like Kucinich -- but it will remind us of the games they played with Dukakis -- which will probably be repeated.

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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 02:22 PM
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153. We elected this guy as our prime-minister three times:


Unfortunately. (Well, actually we vote parties into parliament and the biggest party delivers the prime-minister.) His policies have been very bad for The Netherlands. Everybody complained about him. Still, he has now starting his fourth cabinet in 5 years. He survived three elections. People made jokes about his appearance the first couple of years, but have accepted him since.

Looks don't mean anything.
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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:01 PM
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159. Re: Is this a "vanity" question . . . ? Can we accept and defend a leader who looks like Kucinich?
If he can do the job, hell yes!

He's 5'6". Looks like and elf. Talks about things like peace and spirit....and universal health-care, and putting our government back on the side of working people....

An America returning to being part of the solution instead of the part of the problem vs. Pre-emption and empire.

Now, who's kooky?

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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:49 AM
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147. I used to think Edwards would make a good President. Now I think he'd be a good V.P. to DK.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:06 PM
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150. I'd lov to vote for Kucinch but I can't
I'm a Brit, I'm not allowed to vote for him but I'd love to vote for him, campaign for him, give him money.

Thing is, I'm taking the tack the late Molly Ivins once summed up as "In the primary, I vote to change the world; in the general I vote the lesser of two evils". I'd vote for Kucinich in the primary but I think he's unelectable. He's short, not the world's best public speaker and a little weird looking (that said, John Kerry looked like Lurch and I liked Kerry) and his public statements on spirituality are, well, odd. Oh, and his wife's a hottie. Yes, all of that's entirely cosmetic; no, none of that would affect his performance as president but yes, most people really ARE that superficial.

Any of the Dem candidates would make a decent president, none of them would be a disgrace but Hillary and Obama (for example) would only tinker with the status-quo. The current political climate is a cult of wealth worship and most of the candidates would only play with the details of that. Kucinich is the only one calling for the root and branch changes which are absolutely necessary to move forward. He's the only one committed to the only realistic healthcare option (which is roughly the same option that the rest of the industrialised world uses), he's the only one talking about the disaster that has been NAFTA (I liked Clinton but, in retrospect, that was a mistake), he's the only one calling for REAL changes.

Kucinich is the best candidate but he's also unelectable because the majority of the public are, hate to say, too easily distracted to listen to the guy. I'd vote for him in the primary but I'd be surprised if I got teh chance to vote for him in the general.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 06:06 PM
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161. I supported Kucinich in 2004 and I am supporting him again!
The 2004 nomination was already decided when I joined my fellow Hoosiers and voted in the Democratic primary for Kucinich. Dennis pulled a significant double digits in the primary, an indication that many of the rank-and-file were not happy with the presumptive nominee. I expect the same thing to happen next year. The Beltway Establishment will make sure that the working class is denied their candidate (again!), and they will make sure that the nominee will not challenge the ruling class.
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Hollow Shells Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:23 PM
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171. WTF
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 07:00 PM
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165. Kucinich would be crushed in the general.
He's too new wave for corn-fed middle America.
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penguin7 Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:17 PM
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169. I think Kucinich is the strongest candidate in the general,
Let's look at the last two presidential elections.

Kerry and Gore lost because they equivocated. Kerry lost because he voted against the war before he voted for it or whatever he said. I like Gore, but he did not do well in the debates. He lays down the truth now, but he didn't do it during the debates. And I think Gore, even with all his political faults, is a better candidate than the rest of the this field besides Kucinich. I think Gore is a great human being but a lousy politician.

I think the American people hunger for the truth, and Kucinich will give them the truth. Please do not underestimate how important this will be in the general election.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:21 PM
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170. I wish it were so, I really do.
But unfortunately half of America still imbibes in the kool-aid.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:12 PM
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185. That's half of those who've voted most frequently
If we can do massive voter registration(like Jesse Jackson has been BEGGING us to do for twenty-three freakin' years now, btw) we can overcome that.

We don't need to settle. We don't need to nominate somebody who acts like our core values are something he or she has to scrape off his or her shoe. We don't need a candidate who HATES the Democratic base(like anybody the DLC favors does).

Let's fight for our hopes and win with our dreams. That's the only kind of victory that matters in the end. The eight wasted years we had a "Democratic" president in the Nineties proved this.
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