Will Bush cancel the 2008 election? CREEPY!!

[babsbunny]

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2722

by Harvey Wasserman & Bob Fitrakis
July 30, 2007

It is time to think about the "unthinkable."

The Bush Administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election.

The GOP strategy for another electoral theft in 2008 has taken clear shape, though we must assume there is much more we don't know.

But we must also assume that if it appears to Team Bush/Cheney/Rove that the GOP will lose the 2008 election anyway (as it lost in Ohio 2006) we cannot ignore the possibility that they would simply cancel the election. Those who think this crew will quietly walk away from power are simply not paying attention.

The real question is not how or when they might do it. It's how, realistically, we can stop them.

[movonne]

1. Yes, I do believe he will and nothing we can do about it because

the dems will cave on all issues...(they might throw a few crumbs, but not the important ones)..

[TomInTib]

5. We can do something about it.

Cancel the Major League Baseball playoffs, the World Series, Thanksgiving, Christmas, NCAA and NFL football and destroy the economy.

It would be so easy.

[jimshoes]

9. Yes we could

and that is the only language they really understand after all.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

2. Torches and pitchforks!

the old ways are still the best, and I really look forward to running these ass clowns out of DC on a rail!

[MrSlayer]

3. No.

They are not going to cancel the election, declare martial law or any of that panic monger bullshit. They are going to run out the clock, walk away with their money and leave the mess for the next guy. I remember Republicans saying the same shit about Clinton in the late 90's. It was ridiculous then and it's ridiculous now.

[kimmerspixelated]

11. For those of us that believe

that 9/11 was an inside job, and for those of us who also believe that the Katrina fiasco was at least partly staged or more like a LIHOP-then you must believe-that these evil bastards are absolutely capable of causing another LIHOP or MIHOP to declare Marshall Law because of a catastrophe and then just take over forever, however, with so many watching and ready to pounce, I think it would be a tad tricky to get away with. But don't put anything past them. ..And BTW, Clinton couldn't have conceived of their kind of evil-no way-now Hillary-maybe so! Arg! Arg!

[MrSlayer]

15. Well.

I too believe 9/11 was an inside job but it accomplished its main goal which was to plunder the treasury and line the pockets of their boys. Katrina was as bad as it was because they didn't give a fuck. Simply didn't care. They didn't make that happen, they just didn't care to do anything after it did. I don't put anything past the cabal but I think Bush himself is ready to skate now. He doesn't want to hang around any longer than he has to. Hell, I don't think he really even wanted to win a second term. If they do another attack it just strengthens the case against them. I really think they are going off to count their money and hit the lecture circuit after the term is up.

Martial law is a logistical impossibility, there is no one to enforce it.

[EstimatedProphet]

44. You have a good point

And I agree this all sounds like the Repubs did with the runup to Y2K. there was even a spam email that went around claiming that someone had witnessed an accident by a WalMart truck carrying big signs directing people to the concentration camps or something! What's different this time though:

Bush's redefinition of the government under emergency conditions, so as to declare the President as the sole branch of government;

The detention camps generously given to us by Halliburton.

the addition of these 2 elements scare me a little more.

[anitar1]

35. That is MARTIAL law. n/t

[BeFree]

4. Who could stop him?

The military ain't gonna do nothing and congress can't do a damn thing, so what could stop them from cancelling the election?

I really hope someone has a plan to stop them.... anyone?

[AndreaCG]

16. Bush doesn't have the military in his pocket anymore

I think with the Iraq disaster many soldiers at all llevels would be very hesitant to obey unconstitutional orders.

OTOH there's an increasing number of RW fanatics, skinhead fascist mode, in the military.

[MasonJar]

6. The man is at 29%. I doubt he can succeed this time if he tries. US

citizens are counting the days and are so sick of the whole bunch. If we are to have a king, it will not be GWB. I want a king who is not a lifelong LOSER. Al or Wes will fill the bill just fine.

[Doctor_J]

7. No need to - they can just rig it, and send Il Dunce to celebrity golf

and get a less despicable face in there.

[seemslikeadream]

8. or they could let the dems win and walk away

and the powers that be will still be the powers that be.

NEVER ENDING WAR

[daninthemoon]

14. That's my worry. Why else is this cabal still getting every thing

and more they ask from congress? These crime families have been running stuff ever since they profiteered off the first world war to the present mid-east mess.

[tavalon]

21. Yep

And that will be the most painful thing for the people here on DU. In fact, I believe it will be the unrecoverable blow, when the new boss is proven, irrevocably, to be just like the old boss. We see glimpses of it here every time Congress plays the game same as they ever did, same as they ever did, same as they ever did............

I think I might just have to leave DU when "our" side wins and then fucks us over same as they ever did. I don't want to see the fury and pain when the DUers really get it.

I've become quite the pragmatic Democrat over the last few years. I've been a Democrat since I first pulled a lever but now, I'm just so very cynical.

[DemBones DemBones]

38. Agreed. It's not gonna be pretty here

when the new boss, Hillary or Barack or John, turns out to be essentially the same as the old boss.

We might have some hope if one of the underdogs gets the nomination. At least I'd like to think there's some hope, but I really can't see anyone but Kucinich being anything but the same old same old, and "we all know Kucinich can't win because the media says so."

I'm another lifetime Democrat, very, very cynical these days.

[superkia]

28. The way the MSM is pushing Clinton, thats probably correct.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

10. In 2004 people were saying the same thing.

[Telly Savalas]

36. Yes, they were.

It's intriguing that some people are bored by the long list of serious problems our nation faces, and choose to fantasize about things like this.

[Grandrose]

12. No!

Probably let a sanctioned Democrat win for maybe 8 years, attempt to clean up the Bush/Cheney horrendous mess and replenish the Treasury....for the next Republic cabal!

I believe we have a one party system now and the American people control nothing, are duped into believing they make a difference.

Same bull, different election and I hate my cynicism! ;(

[Syrinx]

13. a neocon front group is advocating just that very idea

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

http://familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=1208571

Elliot Abrams and Douglas Feith are among the prominent neoconservatives associated with the group.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Family_Security_Matters

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Security_Policy

[Bongo Prophet]

19. I just checked out that site. Makes John Birchers seem sane, in comparison

Of course, JBirch society is now centrist reality. How far we have come! Even PNAC is a bit timid for these guys, but that is probably the point. They push the edge to make PNAC seem moderate.

Some samples of thinking there-A "choice between genocide and suicide" --- Bush should have just nuked Iraq until they surrender or all die--so he could use the military to quell domestic dissent (that's us :hi: ) and on and on. Oy.

Rascist thinktank BS. I noticed Jed Babbin is on their editorial staff as well. (He was on the Daily Show recently, pimping his latest book)

Jed Babbin - Former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense (Bush 41), and best-selling author of Inside the Asylum: Why the UN and Old Europe Are Worse Than You Think and the recently released Showdown: Why China Wants War with the United States. Mr. Babbin is a military and foreign affairs analyst and appears regularly on top-rated shows on the major broadcast networks to offer his expertise. He is a regular guest host for several national radio programs, notably the Laura Ingraham Show, Oliver North's "Common Sense Radio," and the Hugh Hewitt and Greg Garrison shows.

Also, Kenneth Allard, a "military expert" often seen on MSNBC/NBC.
And others who show up on TV, and of course, all over wingnut radio...

This is not some marginalized group at all, with such insiders.

Now I need a break, ugh.

Edited for spelling, and to add that I don't think the elections will be cancelled. Just an opinion - that idea was floated before in 04 - but there are people who would like it to happen. More likely some state of emergency postponement, turning into a continuity of government that was indefinite.

I would not bet on it, but is is possible. Many things are possible. So I won't insult anyone for thinking that. I am sure others will. Been on DU enough to know the patterns...

[AntiFascist]

24. My GAWD, where do these people come from?

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

No wonder our troops are getting killed!

[CK_John]

17. I don't think we have to worry about the election. It's after the election that matters. Right now

they have better than a 50/50 chance to win. But... if they lose, how will they try to invalidate the results? Screw with the electoral college, go to the Supreme Court to get a do over, force the election into the House.

They don't play their cards until they need them. We have to learn that.

[MonkeyFunk]

18. Someone please explain

how Bush can cancel elections. The federal government doesn't hold elections.

And even if he somehow COULD cancel elections, he can't cancel the fact that his term expires in Jan. '09.

Chicken Littles predicted the same thing in '02, '04 and '06. They were wrong then, and they're wrong now.

[onenote]

30. presumably you're not holding your breath

One of my favorite recurring irrational musings on DU -- the "cancelled" elections.

Hoo-boy.

[tavalon]

20. I don't think they will

because they are relying on that dog and pony show to provide cover for their dictatorship. I think they know that if people understand that our Democracy has been usurped, they will finally rise up and fight. It doesn't matter that we netroot types already know because so far, we are too much of a minority and we don't control much of the MSM so we can't get our message out to the folks who watch Survivor and American Idol.

[AuntPatsy]

22. The only thing that I believe they are capable of is once again stealing the election, why keep the

same guy in there, they don't care, they will simply replace him with another clone like puppet, its more simple.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

23. Maybe the behind the scenes discussions are about

the wonderful powers a Democratic president, Congress and Senate would have.

:shrug: MKJ

[angrycarpenter]

25. no way

such a move would be provocative to the extreme. The world would not stand for it. The political turmoil would be bad for business.

[progressoid]

26. Oy

not again :eyes:

[Donailin]

27. If their guy Guliani

is the GOP candidate, they won't have to cancel elections. They will rig them so he wins and the transfer of the mafia-esque criminal lawless government will be in place, after all, Guliani is complicit with them in 911. Why else is he running? He's guaranteed to win <i>Rove style</i>

[ronnykmarshall]

29. Like he did in 2006?

:eyes:

[MasonJar]

31. We have to agree now that we will not allow this to happen. The majority

of the American public is with us, y'all. Most Americans are just agonizingly waiting for Bush to be over. And why would he want to stay on? He looks more beedy eyed and gray toned every day.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

32. No, he won't. Next stupid question?

The Bush administration has neither the inclination nor the power to cancel the 2008 election.

[tex-wyo-dem]

33. Some time ago I ceased to dismiss...

Such stories as tinfoil hat baloney...I've been proven wrong too many times. And anything is possible with the cabal at the reigns of power.

[mitchtv]

34. mmmmmmm

:smoke: :think: :crazy: :silly: :wtf: :dunce: :boring: :spank: :thumbsdown: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :rofl:

[Prophet 451]

37. Prepare to be handed a tinfoil hat

Not by me (because I think it's entirely plausable for them to at least consider it) but by the reactionaries who believe a guy who stole two elections would never dream of just bypassing the whole process entirely.

[NanceGreggs]

39. Slight correction ...

"The Bush Administration has both the inclination and the power to cancel the 2008 election."

They have neither.

[tavalon]

40. Oh, I think they could do it

but as I said further up, it serves them not one whit. They want us to have our dog and pony show. They're stupid but not that stupid.

The thing that kills me is I'm beginning to see that it really is bread and circuses and that hurts. That the new bosses may be just like the old bosses is another deep pain for me. Hell, there's a lot that's deeply painful for me right now and I'm sure my personal life foo isn't helping my political life foo.

[NanceGreggs]

41. I don't believe they COULD do it ...

... nor do I believe they want to do it - especially Bush. It's obvious that he stopped enjoying playing president a long time ago - and it's really cutting into his drinking time.

For all the rhetoric about him wanting to stay in power, I don't think anyone is more anxious for him to be out of the WH than he is. He's a lazy-assed drunk, and this whole presidentin' sham has been on his last nerve since the hand-picked crowds got thin, the poll numbers plummeted, and even his most ardent supporters started walking away ...

[tavalon]

43. Yeah, I think Bush himself doesn't want to be the puppet anymore

As you so well said, it cuts into his drinking time. I said for the first few years that he was a dry drunk but it was obvious when he stopped being dry. A child of an alcoholic always knows.

But the powers that be don't want to give it up. Guiliani will do just fine as far as they're concerned. I'm unsure just how strong a stranglehold they have on our elections but I suspect it's much worse than we think so I'm no where near as confident that they can't still hold their election and make it look legitimate, after all, neither of Bush's were legitimate and there was barely a peep from the electorate.

Now, if Gore comes in (and I'm pretty confident he will), I don't think they have the infrastructure to keep him out. The only thing they could resort to at that point would be showing their cards and I think just like our very wimpy side, they want to keep their powder dry for another day. I could be wrong, though. I've said over and over that this administration would never resort to ______________________, only to watch them resort to that and quite a bit more.

I keep hoping I'll know if and when it's time to head to Canada and blessedly, I actually have that option. Your wonderfully socialized medicine system needs more of me. Heck, I won't even have to bone up on my high school French to go. Thing is, I love Seattle and I don't want to leave. But, on the third hand, as one of my partners likes to say, Seattle should have the tourist slogan, "Almost Canada".

[tom_paine]

42. Doubtful. Like confiscating guns (which eventually they will do, except for Blackwater)

such exposes them IMMEDIATELY as the UnAmerican and Totalitarian Tyrants the Bushies ARE.

Why do that when their current Bushie Plan is working so well and not disturbing the mob while the transition is happening?

Doubtful. However, expect an October Surprise like the Bush-BinLaden 2004 Campaign videoand "American al-Qaeda" video released just two days before the Stolen Election of 2004.