Bush stole the 2004 Election

[Like It Is]

Here are the official exit poll results that were recorded on election night in 2004 for Ohio, Nevada, and New Mexico. These are states Kerry definitely won since Kerry's margin of victory was greater than the +- 3 percentage points margin of error that are normally applied to exit polls.

In fact, MIT Professor Steve Freeman, an exit poll and statistics expert, indicates in his book Was The 2004 Presidential Election Stolen? that the statistical odds of all three of these states having official tallies that were outside the +-3 percentage points exit poll range is at least 660,000 to 1.

This data comes from Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International. The six major news organizations (CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN, Fox News, AP) hired Edison/Mitofsky to conduct exit polling on election day in 2004. Edison/Mitofsky also conducted exit polling for many previous Presidential elections.



Ohio 2004 Exit Poll Ohio 2004 Official Count

Kerry -- 54.2% Kerry -- 48.7%

Bush -- 45.4% Bush -- 50.8%



Nevada 2004 Exit Poll Nevada 2004 Official Count

Kerry -- 52.9% Kerry -- 47.9%

Bush -- 45.4% Bush -- 50.5%



N. Mexico 2004 Exit Poll N. Mexico 2004 Official Count

Kerry -- 52.9% Kerry -- 49.0%

Bush -- 45.9% Bush -- 49.8%

[rucky]

1. I wish President Kerry agreed. n/t

[LynneSin]

16. The moment that Kerry conceded I ripped my Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker off of my car

I knew back then that he had won

[Poiuyt]

2. Was the 2004 Election Stolen?

by ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

It's a long article, but very well researched and footnoted. Read it and you'll be seething.

[RFKJrNews]

13. The RFK Jr. article in RS is *astonishing*

...which makes me wonder if he would choose never to run for office, knowing full well exactly how elections are stolen.

And if that be so, My God, what a sad state of affairs. To me, that would only prove that an honest man or woman cannot get elected in this country anymore. So why should they even bother to run at all?

Shall we just abandon our country to the liars and thieves, then?

Who is going to challenge this rigged system and "test" the integrity of the vote in a Presidential election?

I'd love to see an activist candidate who is willing to run for that very reason. To find out if our vote really matters or is counted at all. It's that important. Without a free and fair vote, our Republic is GONE.

If Bobby does run, and has his doubts about the final election results, I hope he will not back down as Gore and Kerry did. Something tells me he would investigate until hell freezes over if he suspected fraud.



* Please SIGN THE PETITION to Draft Robert F. Kennedy Jr. into the race for the White house! http://RFKin2008.com

[librechik]

3. Mitodsky died. Does anyone know if we can access the exit poll raw data

that he refused to release in his lifetime? Or did it get conveniently "lost ?"

Some smart person with good contacts should try to find those and save them.

[bluestateguy]

4. I'm not sure if any exit poll has ever released their raw data before

Exit polls have been done since 1960, and I am not aware of a time when the raw data sets have ever been released.

[librechik]

23. Because of the anomalies, investigators tried to get the raw data

just to verify --or debunk--questions about the Black Box Voting system. It seemed to me an appropriate request, under the circumstances, to give that info to the official investigators.

[snot]

8. I missed that somehow. When? --

and under what circumstances? Was he part of a company?

[librechik]

15. Sep '06

he was the agreed-upon polling expert for the consortium of media who commissioned the polls, the replacement for the "flawed"polls from 2000 and 2002. Elewction technology scholars begged him to release the raw data for the odd results we got in 04, when Kerry won all the exit polls, supposedly, and yet "lost" the election. The raw data would have denied or confirmed the math that the statisics guys were getting. He refused to do so. Mitofsky was a long time expert in the area of exit polls, and his death at 71 was from natural causes,, apparently.

from a Seattle Post Intelligencer article that no longer exists online:
"In four decades of election polling, Warren Mitofsky pioneered the science that has quickly shown voters in America and abroad who won their elections and why.

Mitofsky, who also helped develop a widely used telephone sampling method and set survey research industry standards, died Friday in New York City of an aortic aneurysm at age 71.

Mitofsky developed the election projection and analysis system used by CBS News and later by a consortium of news organizations. He first conducted an exit poll in 1967 in a Kentucky governor's election for CBS News. He conducted the first national exit poll in 1972 and covered nearly 3,000 electoral contests in all.

"It's because of Warren Mitofsky that America - and the world - has become accustomed to learning who won an election quickly and reliably, and what the election meant to the voters themselves," said Kathleen Frankovic, director of surveys at CBS News. "Without him, we might still be guessing why elections turn out the way they do."

Mitofsky was executive director of CBS News election and survey unit from 1967 until 1990. In 1976 he and editors at The New York Times established a polling collaboration that became a model for rival partnerships..."

Of course his technology was ignored and discredited for the Bush elections, even though we had trusted it for decades.

[KaryninMiami]

5. It's old news now- there's no question it was rigged and Kerry won

But Kerry conceded and Edwards broke his promise to make sure that every ballot would be counted. That's why I can't support him now-- they both promised--- repeatedly that this time, they were "ready for them" and they both backed down.

Gore won too of course-- but I'm not angry at him because he had very poor advisors and they were not going to let him win anyway- it was stacked and although had he fought differently he might have made prgress but my gut tells me that they would have done something else- and they always knew they had the Supreme Court (who should NEVER have taken the case in the first place) in their pocket. If it happened today however, I know he would play it differently. He's come into his own now in many ways. Look how much good came of his not being President...

I am still hoping that Gore is going to jump in since he has been training for the job of President all of his life and he, more then any of them, deserves it ---which he will be fabulous at.

But Kerry and Edwards in my mind-- really blew it.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Edwards urged Kerry to challenge the vote. Not concesde that night.

Kerry insisted on throwing in the towel. It's something Edwards can't really talk about it. But people in the room know what happened. Edwards wanted to fight.

[wisteria]

18. Kerry wanted to challenge the absentee ballots at the time, but was told by lawyers and advisor's

there was not enough evidence or votes there to make a difference. Bob Woodward's book, "State of Denial"made mention of some questionable activities the night of the election. (The link is from a repub source- sorry- but it is quoted correctly.)


http://newsbusters.org/node/8187">link



I just came across a troubling incident that Bob Woodward reports in his new book. Very troubling.

On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

Edward's supposedly fight to count the votes is not even substantiated in writing anywhere. It is based on heresy.

[chimpymustgo]

21. Yes. I heard it the day after the election from someone in the room.

It's a touchy subject, of course. I have a great deal of respect for John Kerry. But he threw in the towel. Edwards did NOT want to concede that night.

[wisteria]

26. And, neither did Kerry. The numbers weren't there for him to contest the election.

Senator Kerry would have had no support from the party or the media if he had contested. Think about it, who would of backed him up? He would of needed an army and people in the streets. I doubt that would of happened.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. Look. The numbers weren't there to help Kerry

overtake Bush in any recount. If Kerry was down by 130,000 and there only 250,000 uncounted ballots, then Kerry would have to win those ballots by a rate of over 76% to over take Bush.
The math is: 250,000 * .76 (%) = 190,000 votes for Kerry, 60,000 go to Bush.
Bush's 130,000 margin becomes 190,000 and Kerry can only match it with his 190,000 additional votes- but then it's Florida 2000 all over again.
But a rate of 76% just does not happen in any given random sampling of ballots.

[Blue_In_AK]

25. Since we're still discussing whether the election was stolen

three years later, how in the world could he have challenged it immediately afterwards? It's obvious to me that it was stolen, but without hard proof immediately available it seems like a challenge would have been an exercise in futility.

[Apollo11]

14. I strongly agree

Back in 2000, Gore kept fighting for 36 days, making use of every option that was available to him.

Gore did not concede while there was still a chance of changing the outcome. He only conceded after the US Supreme Court had ruled to stop the recounting of votes in Florida, and it became clear that there were no other options available under the law that would have changed the outcome.

Some people (like Michael Moore) have suggested that Gore should have encouraged Democratic members of Congress to challenge the certification of the electoral college on January 6th, 2001. But seeing as how the Republicans had a majority in both houses - this would not have changed the outcome.

"Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession."

Al Gore -- December 13, 2000

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/transcripts/121300/t651213.html

[kansasblue]

6. Go check out 2002 exit polls....

and also take a close look at Georgia.

[Phredicles]

7. I'm still wondering why Ukrainian exit polling data are grounds for

overturning an election but ours aren't. When did the Ukrainians get better than us at exit polling?:shrug:

[Kurovski]

9. K&R. (nt)

[opihimoimoi]

10. K&R.......

[wisteria]

11. I have slowly come around to believing what you claim.

Besides all the suppressed evidence and fraud there is no way someone as incompetent as Bush could of gotten reelected without major help in doing so.Rove had been working to steel 04 since they stole 2000. Senator Kerry's campaign made some mistakes, but they were not fatal ones and every campaign makes mistakes.

[chimpymustgo]

17. Remember the long lines of black voters, young voters, new voters, KERRY/EDWARDS VOTERS.

The exit polls? The regular polls? Bush never polled aboved 49% the day before or after the election. Remember the power failure in one Ohio county? Remember all the electronic vote switching where Kerry votes came up for Bush - at a stastistically impossible 90+% of the time?

You could write a book.

[wisteria]

20. And, the media ignored it all. It makes you wonder why? n/t

[Bitwit1234]

19. And rove already has figured out a sneaky way to do it in 2008.

[chimpymustgo]

24. What's your theory, Bitwit?

Please, not martial law...

[YvonneCa]

27. This is my theory...

...for 2008:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x135956