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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 03:59 AM
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Obama takes the gloves off.
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 04:08 AM by Perky
Obama Tries to Turn Clinton Words on Her

By NEDRA PICKLER
Associated Press Writer


COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to turn rival Hillary Rodham Clinton's words back on her Wednesday, saying her vote to authorize the Iraq war was "irresponsible and naive."

Clinton had used the same language a day earlier to criticize Obama for saying he would be willing to meet with leaders of nations such as Cuba, North Korea and Iran without conditions within the first year of his presidency. Clinton said renegade leaders could use such a meeting for propaganda and that envoys below the presidential level should begin diplomatic work.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:14 AM
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1. I'm always amazed at how fightened of propaganda some Dems are.
Shit, bush is the worlds #1 terrorist and they all meet with him, and he uses it for propaganda.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:42 AM
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4. I saw the interview...He looked out of his element, frightened and scared.
His face was solemn. He was nervous, tripping and stumbling over his words. Almost as if he wasn't cognizant of what he was saying just repeating empty words with one foot in the door, off balance, leaning away from the reporter, indicating he wanted to end the interview.

I will say this. Obama was totally unprepared to justify his answer. It was the 'deer in the headlights' look someone mentioned the other day, would be Hillary. Now we were looking at Obama. As if he had been caught with his hand in the cookie jar or worse, getting a speeding ticket from a traffic cop who didn't recognize him.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:16 AM
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8. rotflmao
You are just too funny for words. You've got to be kidding. Hillary's inner warhawk was out there for everyody to see. Obama was shocked that she would actually oppose talking to world leaders, considering the number of times she's said you don't make peace with your friends.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:45 AM
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11. you sound like your rofl so hard your crying..
Obama has made a deadly error. He should have just shut up! When you're in a hole you stop digging. In his case he's called in the shovelers like you and a dozen others who chose to keep shoveling, digging Obama in deeper. Obama was shocked because he hasn't a clue how foreign diplomacy works and the protocols in place for years and years with 20th century presidents.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:48 AM
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12. She was wrong to engage him. Now it is free game. It is time for him to Kick ASS
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:29 AM
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16. He's getting desperate a little early in the game.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:35 AM
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18. She was the one that was desperate and now she will pay the price.
People see through Hillary. The comments are from voters not media. It is a nice change to see what the voters are really thinking.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:42 AM
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21. Don't be naive. Hillary does not do anything out of desperation
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:49 AM
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22. The media has already asked why she did something like that
It gave Obama the opening he has been waiting for. Experienced politicians know not to attack someone if you do not have to. Oh well, I guess she will learn. Oh that's right she does not have that much experience as the media has been trying to push anyway.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 10:19 AM
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25. she made a mistake in going after him. I heard the campaigns had
access to the questions and this was probably planned by her and her flying monkeys. She did not expect Obama would so effectively shoot back and hard.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:54 AM
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13. That's why we need a change!
It's a new century. Colonialism is dead. We need somebody who understands how to deal with the world on an equal footing. Clinton clearly doesn't.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:03 AM
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14. Change... from the frying pan into the fire? No thanks!
I want a strong leader. If Bama can't get himeself out of this schoolyard jam...what will he do when he faces a Republican attack?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 06:11 AM
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15. Hilary is in the jam
She's the one that has to explain why she's continuing with the same stubborn, arrogant diplomatic strategies of George Bush.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:36 AM
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19. And the voters are seeing through it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:18 AM
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26. Contrary to your un-sourced assertion, Hillary's poll numbers have increased
since the debate. People are beginning to see the value and importance of experience rather than electing an unproven producer as the next president. Obama's numbers will continue to slide basically by his own hand, due to his lack of campaign experience, not knowing how to critically respond to an attack. I imagine he'll fold like a cheap suit if the Republicans start attacking him OR over-react with the wrong defense, as he is doing now.

Monday's release marked the fourth consecutive ABC News/Washington Post poll that found Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., with a lead of 15 or 16 points over Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Democratic presidential nomination matchups featuring all of the active candidates.

The latest poll, conducted last Wednesday through Saturday among 606 Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, showed Clinton with 45 percent of the vote, Obama with 30 percent, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards at 12 percent, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson with 3 percent and others with 2 percent or less.

68 percent of Clinton voters said they strongly supported their candidate, versus 56 percent of Obama backers. In the February ABC/Post polling, Obama supporters were 4 points more intensively supportive of their candidate than Clinton backers, but in the three successive polls, Clinton's support grew more intense. What started as an edge of 8 points in April was 10 points in June and 12 points in the new poll

"When asked who had the best chance to defeat the Republican nominee in the general election, Clinton beat out Obama again, 43 percent to 27 percent."

http://nationaljournal.com/cook.htm
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:29 AM
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27. Not to pick any nits, but you apparently missed this.

"The latest poll, conducted last Wednesday through Saturday"

Your poll was conducted before Monday night's debate, not after.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 12:38 PM
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29. I've supported a candidate through 3% polls
Just weeks before the first caucus. You're going to have to do bring something better than polls of voters who admit they aren't paying attention to debates or anything of substance.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 11:39 AM
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28. bwahahahahahahahahaha
to borrow one of you guys' tactics

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

now put the bong down please.... bwahahahaha
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:16 AM
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2. So it was another day of "I know you are but what am I?"
:banghead:


waiver: not anti-obama, no dog in this fight, save the spittle for someone else.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:44 AM
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5. I think this dustup is actuallly very informing
Hillary Jabs.. and not only did Obama not duck the punch by counterspinning his meaning. He threw a solid left cross on tuesday pointing out that Hillary has sais essentially the same thing a few week afo when she criticized Bush for not talking to thjoe we do not like
It was a marginal.because it is a new cycle of the Day type story.. but the counter punch today pushed it to a second news cycle and puts HrC on the defensive for the moment. because she continues to defend her naivete. It is an issue of concern to millions of Democreate.

This is actually healthy invigoraing stff. and I am pleasantly surpisred their is substance behind the argument. Good For Obama for not ducking and weaving Hilaruy's criticism which while valid on its face was not a particualty deep issue.


The more important point is that she tried to bedismissive of him as a lighteight whe she went after his qualifications and he countered with a solid left right combo.on a very important point.

Jolly good show. Clearly a warning shot by Obama...."You do not want to make this about gravitas"
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:51 AM
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7. So do I.
Not impressed. :thumbsdown:

He should have commented on it sooner or not at all.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:24 AM
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10. This was in response to comments on Tuesday
24 hours isn't soon enough for you?
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 08:58 AM
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24. Like I said, save your spittle.
:eyes:
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:29 AM
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3. It is amazing that
anybody who loves or advocates peace, in its true and real sense, would take such a strong part in the battle or fight that takes place between candidates vying for a place of power.

Does anybody see the contradiction in that? The candidacy for the Democrat Primary is getting a lot war-like, duke it out, battle related references, while many of us are looking for peaceful and amicable solutions to our immediate problems.

What gives with that? Is it impossible to not mimic the current paradigm and still WIN? Can't political opponents campaign and interact in a way that demonstrates both reason and peace in the process? Or are their potential constituents so immersed in a war-like mentality that this is the only way to take the power prize?

Hmmm! Maybe we are actually the problem we want solutions to, then.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 05:20 AM
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9. The Democrat primary?
This is the Democratic Primary, for starters.

And yes, you do have to knock off the #1 spot in order to take it yourself. The only way to do that is convince people that whatever is in the #1 spot doesn't deserve to be there. This is a little spitball contest compared to how bad it will get in December.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 04:51 AM
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6. Now that's the appropriate response!
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 04:52 AM by polichick
When some of the Obama followers were trying to say that Clinton flip-flopped on the leaders issue, it just seemed silly and desperate (she'd never said the prez should personally see leaders in the first year), but this is a legitimate foreign policy issue to counter with. No matter how Clinton and Edwards try to explain it; millions of Americans knew that giving Bush the authority to go to war was a huge mistake from the get-go ~ they should have too. They played politics and we all lost.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:29 AM
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17. ANd whacks himself in the face...
Keep diggin Barack!
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:36 AM
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20. The voters say otherwise.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 07:49 AM
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23. No they don't
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 01:38 PM
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30. Sounds like Obama's feelings got hurt
He couldn't get over that "irresponsible and naive" bit.

Clinton voted stupidly, we got it. What matters more at this point is what is each of the candidates going to do to about the Iraq debacle.

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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-26-07 02:09 PM
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31. Breaking news: HRC voted for the IWR
Edited on Thu Jul-26-07 02:10 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
If he going to mention the IWR 24/7? He needs another card to play. The IWR can only go so far. Ask President Dean.
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