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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:45 PM
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Congressmembers rule: No calling Bush a liar


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Congress_members_agree_No...


Congressmembers rule: No calling Bush a liar
Michael Roston
Published: Monday July 16, 2007



A Congressional Democrat has been reined in for calling President George W. Bush a 'liar' during a Thursday hearing of the House Judiciary Committee, according to the Monday edition of the newspaper Roll Call.

"Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.) offered a lengthy criticism of Bushs record toward the end of Thursdays hearing, which included a statement that Bush lied about the reasons for going to war with Iraq in 2003," writes Susan Davis. "Rep. Chris Cannon (R-Utah) offered an objection on the grounds that Watts words were 'unparliamentary' and violated House rules on debate and decorum that forbid personal attacks on Members, the president or vice president."

The exchange occurred just before the end of the hearing that expected to receive testimony from former White House Counsel Harriet Miers, who failed to appear. She cited the White House's exercise of 'executive privilege.'

Davis notes that a problem then occurred.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:48 PM
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1. Guess it is illegal for a US politician to tell the truth.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:52 PM
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6. That at least explains why so many use phrases like:
Less than truthful

Not entirely factual

Less than honest

And a whole lot more like that! This is the first time I've ever heard a reason why they all tip-toe around just saying what I would!
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:37 PM
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14. I'd just call him a damn liar and be done with it.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:49 PM
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2. I heard about this on cspan this AM.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 05:49 PM by napi21
Apparently there's a House Rule that forbids calling Shrubbie a liar! Had to have been a new rule established by the Pubbies when they were the Maj!

The reprimand was to be against Sanchez for ignoring the House Rules too!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:51 PM
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4. Get to work House members, obviously that's a rule that must be changed.
Because Bush is a liar, and not calling him out is a lie by omission.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:51 PM
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3. Oh my God....where was he when
cheney told Senator Leahy to go fu** himself on the floor of the senate...darn..darn...I guess that is not something someone could be scolded for..... after all liar is very very bad. Oh wait...isn't that something scooter did and bush commuted his sentence. Not so bad after all.
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:51 PM
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5. I wonder what the "official" definition of a lie is...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:53 PM
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7. How else do they explain why *'s pants are on fire?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 05:53 PM
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8. The quandary: you're a liar for NOT calling him a liar.
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loyalkydem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:03 PM
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9. so can a
citizen be arrested for calling bush a liar?

HEY BUSH, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:03 PM
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10. The words 'lie' and 'liar' are also forbidden in the British House of Commons...
but our MPs are good at finding euphemisms such as 'terminological inexactitudes' and 'economical with the truth'.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 08:27 PM
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16. OH I LOVE the Brits! They REALLY know how to use the English
language! They DO have the ability to tell someone to GTH without anyone realizing it...until much later!
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:22 AM
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21. Of course they know how to use it--they invented it!
And I, for one, want to thank them for getting rid of those goddamn genders before bringing it over here...

Thanks, Brits, for "the" and "a(n)" and nothing else! :thumbsup:

Sign me,
Former student of German and French.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:11 PM
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11. A rule like that keeps discussion focused: otherwise, there would be constant
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 06:12 PM by struggle4progress
off-topic floor spats

If you can't make a good case that someone is a lying scumbag, while using entirely courteous language and avoiding name-calling, then in fact you probably can't make the case

<edit: spelingg>
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:12 PM
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12. They can do what ever they want
but it is out in public now. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Everyone will remember it and the harder they try to make it go away the more attention it draws.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 06:23 PM
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13. Yup
them's the rules. Good ones, too.

Make the bastards be a little clever and inventive, for a change.
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Merlot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 07:00 PM
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15. Good. I don't like name calling, especially on the House floor
Of course, to say bushco lied is OK by me.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:54 AM
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17. Wonder how long after the WAR CRIMINAL got appointed that this new rule was rushed in by the REPUKE
congress...

don't seem to remember any such prohibition during Clinton's Presidency...
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:15 AM
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18. Two things
1 - This issue pertains to using the word during official business. From the headline, it sounded like the party had a rule against calling Bush what he is. Not the case. There is no excuse for not calling him what he is.

2 - Rep Cannon can fuck off. If he has a problem with Bush being called a liar, then he should ask Bush to stop lying so much.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 04:52 AM
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19. then use these words
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/liar

Main Entry: liar
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: falsifier
Synonyms: cheat, con artist, con man, deceiver, deluder, dissimulator, equivocator, fabler, fabricator, fabulist, false witness, falsifier, fibber, jive turkey, maligner, misleader, perjurer, phony, prevaricator, promoter, storyteller, trickster
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:41 AM
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20. I don't buy it, they aren't attacking Bush*, they are attacking what he said
Attacking Bush* would be something like he is an asshole, but to question his rhetoric is IMO their damn job...If someone lies they need to be called on it no matter who that person is..Calling a person a LIAR if it is indeed a fact is not an attack but a duty..On the other hand if it were untrue it would be an attack on that person's creibility..
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:25 AM
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22. when the truth violates the rules on debate and decorum -- squeal and cry about it Repigs
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:02 PM
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23. It's not a vacation, it's a "Summer District Work Period"
http://www.house.gov/house/House_Calendar.shtml

House Schedule
January 4 110th Congress, 1st Session convenes
January 15 Martin Luther King, Jr. Day
February 19 Presidents Day
February 19 - 23 Presidents Day District Work Period
March 11 Daylight Savings Time Begins
March 17 St. Patrick's Day
April 2 - April 13 Spring District Work Period
April 3 Passover
April 8 Easter
May 13 Mother's Day
May 28 Memorial Day
May 28 - June 1 Memorial Day District Work Period
June 14 Flag Day
June 17 Father's Day
July 2 - July 6 Independence Day District Work Period
July 4 Independence Day
August 6 - August 31 Summer District Work Period
September 3 Labor Day
September 13 Rosh Hashanah
September 22 Yom Kippur
October 8 Columbus Day
October 26 Target Adjournment
November 4 Daylight Savings Time Ends
November 6 Election Day
November 11 Veterans Day
November 22 Thanksgiving Day
December 5 Hanukkah
December 25 Christmas Day
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