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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 08:56 PM Original message |
If leading Democrats did not support Holy Joe over Lamont would Lamont be in the Senate today? |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama supported Lamont. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. yes he did - in the general. |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Fine...I think Lieberman's loss margin in the primary wasn't the driving force behind his indy run. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That is a valid opinion |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. That's very true -- but I don't agree that leaders taking sides made the contest unfair. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Look at all the party backing he got in post #8 |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
62. '...party machine helping...' |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. He supported his mentor Holy Joe over Lamont when it mattered |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. See above. I'm willing to give people a pass for supporting their friends in a primary. |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. Lieberman wasn't and isn't Obama's mentor |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. The article says he was. Supposedly, Obama picked Holy Joe and not the other way around |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. That isn't an article, it's a blog |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. This is the (AP) article I was alluding to |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. In the primary only, like the other Senate dems |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Post 8 shows that is false. The vast majority of senate dems did not support Holy Joe |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Are you directing me to the correct post? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. It shows a list of primary endorsements for Holy Joe |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
2. Lamont's crew didn't turn out for him. He had a good campaign, but his people let him down |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. There was no way Holy Joe was going to lose the GE imo |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Umm, ten points is quite a trouncing |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Not when you have Holy Joe's approval ratings |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
7. OH Look Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton Obama |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Damn, and we are not supposed to believe this hurt Lamont? |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Obama is on the List as well. You need Glasses |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Did I say he wasn't? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. How would people take it if all of those people supported a challenger to Obama in 2012? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. How about staying out of the primary like the vast majority of Dem senators? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Again, how would you take it if the Senate Democrats REFUSED to endorse Obama's reelection in 2012 |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Wrong. He proved himself a TOTAL ASSHOLE (tm) during the |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Who?? Holy Joe? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. You need to be fair, though, and give us a list of who supported him in the GENERAL |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. The result was assured for the general. It was easy to flip-flop then when HoJoe was safe |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Well, ya coulda fooled me. Assured? Lamont was leading Lieberman in the polling for a bit. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Deleted message |
PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #16 |
54. "Keep in mind, Lieberman didn't get insufferable until AFTER he lost the primary." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. I said this to you elsewhere, and I will say it again--NO, it is NOT. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. "You are seeing only what the people who think like you see." |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 04:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Oh, for Chrissake. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. He managed to win the election with the support of DEMOCRATS |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Yep, those DEMOCRATS. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
11. Yes, I believe he would. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
21. Bill Clinton campaigned for Lieberman, but did not campaign for Ned Lamont |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Thanks for the info. Did any of those who flip-flopped to Lamont actually campaign for him? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Lamont didn't WANT Clinton campaigning for him. He said so himself. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. So why did he have a rally with NC's John Edwards campaiging for him? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #36 |
58. You'll really have to ASK him. I'd suggest you go back to his very words that I provided to you. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Yes, Lamont committed the Al Gore error... (we are not on the same page) Oops, defeat! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Your facts are incomplete, at best. Lamont didn't want "out of staters" campaigning for him. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. See post 36. Edwards campaigned with Lamont |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
61. Asked, and answered below your post. 36 |
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nevergiveup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. Just curious |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. yes |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #34 |
52. When? To my knowledge, Edwards was the first to appear AFTER the primary, but not before.\nt |
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jsamuel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. oh, the primary |
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ripple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
28. No. See post #26 |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
32. Lieberman won because the Repug was so weak. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. I think your figures are wrong. I am going to look up some stuff. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 06:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
51. wrong |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. You got it all right except the conclusion. |
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leftshoe (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-10-07 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
42. It's hard to say, really. |
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rufus dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
45. Hi Mario - How is it going tonight? |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
46. The party leadership was wishy-washy when it came to supporting Lamont. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Thanks for your post and your insight as someone from CT |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
47. too late to revisit that mess |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
50. No, I don't think so |
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xkenx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-11-07 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
56. Read Wes Clark's urging support for Ned Lamont early on, |
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