Hillary supporters, with 52% of voters not liking Hillary, why should I support her?

[saracat]

Please give me a reson why I should want Hillary as my nominee instead of any of the others.This is a struggle for me as I would like to be able to support another woman but I simply don't like the woman or her voting record.It appears most Amercans don't want to vote for her yet many Dems are supporting her. Persuade me to her corner please.I used to like her when she was First Lady but the more I learn about her the more dubious I am.Give me a clue as to why you think she should be the nominee.

[msongs]

1. who says 52% of voters dont like her? do u know all those people? nt

[slick8790]

4. This says it.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?articleId=6260144&siteId=571


There's about 5 threads about this, at least one on the greatest page, I suggest you check them out before challenging the honesty of the OP.

[papau]

11. LOL - greatest page? Amazing - Mason-Dixon polls are anti-Dems - always -plus

nationwide polls by 4 other services say 43 to 45% is real number/

A"nationwide survey of 625 likely voters" is both too small (it needs to be about double that size for my personal tastes) and "likely" means a sieve that is unknown with pre-questions that are unknown - but look at past Mason-Dixon polls and note how they under count Dems compared to other polls done at the same time on the same topics.

This outfit that has not polled in this area for a few years - or at least has not released any polls in a while - so why do this one/why release this one?

If this number gets repeated by 2 other polls that have better credibility, I'll start to believe it.

The trends I am hearing about is a "like Hillary" going up as don't like goes down as she campaigns - it looks like someone in the GOP wants to change that storyline.

[slick8790]

16. Alright. That poll not good enough?

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/favorables/election_2008_democratic_candidates_running_in_2008_presidential_election

Check out her unfavorable there. 48%. Hell, average them you get 50%. Or just disregard the other one if you want.


She may be the most popular dem among dems, but she's poison to the general public. The RW media has had 15 years to shape her as they see fit. Half the people I know love Bill, but are uneasy about Hillary. Now I know my acquantances aren't a scientific poll, but I think that the other polls that have been floating around seem to carry the same message.

[papau]

39. The head to head polls are what matters since it is an election n/t

n/t

[slick8790]

40. Alright, then check the Rasmussen poll for the GE matchups. She loses to Guiliani and gves away

a healthy amount of our generic democratic edge to others.

[papau]

43. Ras is not a stable poll - cheap but not stable - other polls show her beating Rudy n/t

n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

23. And then there's Gallup

Day to Day, June 27, 2007 · A new Gallup poll shows that half of the country has an unfavorable view of Democratic presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton. Is Clinton too polarizing to be elected? John Dickerson of the online magazine Slate talks with Madeleine Brand.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11466872

[papau]

38. Same Gallup 6/1 poll found Bush at 40% favorable - Rasmussen doesn't do anything other than

automatic telephone call polls - and after being wildly off for all of 2004 he notes that the as reported after vote theft election results were very close to the automatic machine poll he did just prior to the election.

Gallup had Hillary at 43% unfavorable a month earlier

- there will be a lot of polls on this in the future

but ultimately it is the head to head numbers that matter.

[glowing]

2. Count me in as "do not like".... If she wins, we won't leave Iraq ever.

And may just add Iran to our belt notch.

[Captain Hilts]

5. What has she said to suggest she'd invade Iran? Nothing. nt

[glowing]

14. Nothing is off the table... Based on her voting record, I would say

she's more apt to follow the corp. money man...

[RufusTFirefly]

15. Nothing?

"But let's be clear about the threat we face now: A nuclear Iran is a danger to Israel, to its neighbors and beyond. The regime's pro-terrorist, anti-American and anti-Israel rhetoric only underscores the urgency of the threat it poses. U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot and should not — must not — permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. In order to prevent that from occurring, we must have more support vigorously and publicly expressed by China and Russia, and we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations. And we cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran — that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons."

Source: Clinton's own Web site

Perhaps she'll just launch one of those wonderful "surgical strikes."

[Captain Hilts]

22. It is White House policy in every administration to not limit options in speeches.

No, she's not going to invade Iran.

No one wants it and we haven't the military to do it.

[RufusTFirefly]

27. And Bush never came out and blamed Saddam for 9/11

Both Bush and Clinton knew what they were doing. They were leaving something unsaid and letting the listeners connect the dots. In each case, they technically never said what people thought they said.

So, what are we to conclude from Clinton's statement? That she advocates slapping Ahmadinejad with a rolled up newspaper?

Come on!

[napi21]

3. Pay close attention to the debates and listen to them carefully.

Try to be as impartial as you can, then ask yourself "Who really handled that debate the best? Who sounds like they would be a good leader?

I've done exactly that, including the one last night on PBS with Tavis Smiley.

The answer to me was Hillary!

She wasn't my choice several months ago, and I like the positions of several of the other candidates too, but over all, Hillary really knows her stuff, and she's getting better all the time. I don't agree with every vote she's made or every position she has, but I can say that about ANY candidate. I think the idea is to carefully examine all the candidates and opt for the one you believe would fit the job best...even if you do have some differences.

[flyarm]

7. this is one dem, praying for Gore!! eom

[emilyg]

35. This Dem wants Hillary

[RufusTFirefly]

20. Clinton definitely had the best statement of the night

"Let me just put this in perspective: If HIV-AIDS were the leading cause of death of white women between the ages of 25 and 34 there would be an outraged, outcry in this country."

[saracat]

28. Actually, as a "white woman" who is aware the government does jack on any women's health issues

I was offended by that remark.

[RufusTFirefly]

29. Interesting. Thanks for the perspective. I didn't see it that way.

I guess when I heard Clinton say that, it resonated with me as it seems as though whenever a white (often blonde) girl goes missing the networks get their panties in a twist. But when it's an African-American kid, it's not even on the MSM radar.

UPON EDIT: Nor did Bob Herbert, apparently
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x291440

[napi21]

32. Twp! It's things like that that make me think she would be a good

President. She knows her stuff...for sure! She's quick with appropriate comments. I happen to respect her for calling Wolf on asking inappropriate speculstive questions and saying "We're not going to answer questions like that!" She calls it like it is and I like that!

[Dawgs]

42. So, you're voting for someone because you think they know their stuff.

And, how they answered a question. How bout how they voted and approved such horrible things like the war, NAFTA, and waiting to see how Obama voted to defund the war.

[Dawgs]

41. They all sounded like they would be a good leader, but

who sounded the best in the debate is far from who would be the best President. I'm scared that someone would make this judgement based on what we saw in the first three debates.

[flyarm]

6. COUNT ME IN AS DO NOT LIKE..AS WELL..AND I WAS AN ELECTED DELEGATE IN FLA!!

and i work with all the Kerry lists of dems and i don't know but two people who like ...the rest do not like ..either!!

and i live in two states Fla and NJ..and am in democratic clubs in both states..can;t say i know any dems who like..

so i just want to know who these people ..dems particularly who really like ...because i can't find them in either state!! and i am not talking once a year dems i am talking committed dems that do all the work!!

fly

[SaveElmer]

13. I live in Virginia...am very active in the local party...

And know literally dozens of people planning on voting for Hillary, including independents and a Republican friend of mine...

My parents used to tell me everyone they met voted for McGovern in 1972...so how'd he lose? It all depends on the crowd you run with!

[flyarm]

36. well in fla i work with all the people who worked on the Kerry campaign

the people that did the work and did communications , and did all the grunt work..i housed the field rep for 3 counties and belong to 4 dem clubs in Fla and helped open one in NJ.. i work directly with candidates, and am a member of the DEC in my county in Fla..and am best friends with all the people who run the DNC ...I worked all the Kerry rally's and i co-ordinated the volunteers..I helped run the largest Kerry headquarters in South west Fla..several of us have maintained the email lists..i work directly with the other delegates for my county ..which is a big county and i work with others in other close counties...i can only report what i am hearing..and i am not hearing support..i am hearing groans..and loud groans..

and i am on the lists of people invited to all campaigns coming into the state..

I will support our dem candidate that wins the primary..but i will have to hold my nose tightly if it is Hillary.


I will gladly and enthusiastically work my ass off if Al Gore steps up to the plate..i will not work for a Hillary campaign. I just can not and will not.

i do not want another "family member " in the white house..i could not stomach it.

and i can not get past the love affair with the clintons and the bush papa..i can not get past that ..no matter what anyone says..and i will not forget papa and momma bush saying bill was like their adopted son...

no thanks ..no how ..no way!!

i want a clean slate..i want these bastards in this white house held accountable for all the deaths they have caused..i want truth about 9/11..and i do not believe we will get either without a clean house!



fly

[pinto]

8. Support the Dem *you* feel is our best option. That's what primaries are about.

:hi:

[madrchsod]

9. i do not like hillary-- never have and probably never will

but if she is our candidate i would have to vote for her.there is`t really a choice at that point

[SaveElmer]

10. If you don't want t o vote for her...don't vote for her...

But do your research first...you will find the CW about her from the left is largely incorrect...

[saracat]

18. I am asking for reasons from those of you that do!

I want someone to 'sell' me on her.

[SaveElmer]

25. Well I think you will get better results if you look into it yourself...however

This article on Hillary is fairly well balanced...I disagree with the conclusion, but it does show how quickly Hillary has become an important player in the U.S. Senate, and some of the work she does that goes unnoticed...

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200611/green-hillary

[saracat]

26. Thank you Elmer.I will read this!

[snowbear]

12. If I were you Sara.. I'd ask this question in the Clinton section..

I mean.. ...if you were serious about wanting to hear only from her supporters?

No way you're going to only hear from her supporters on this section.

Unless you wanted to hear from the rest of us too?

[saracat]

17. Thanks Larissa.I didn't think of that!

[snowbear]

21. But Sara...

Are you going to let us sell you on the other candidates too?

We have some pretty doggone goodun's!

[saracat]

24. Well, I can sell myself on the others, I am having a harder time with Hillary!

[SaveElmer]

19. CBS numbers are considerably better...look here!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3348045

[snowbear]

30. Look at what that poll says about Congress.. doesn't make a licko' sense...

"27% approve of the way Congress is handling its job and 60% approve".

27% approve and 60% approve?

Sounds like someone at CBS is asleep at the wheel.

[Imagevision]

31. In all fairness I believe we should hear out Kucinich and Richardson before making a voting decision

[WhiteTara]

33. you don't have to have a candidate yet

Watch them all. Become informed. It is months til the convention. After the convention, I hope you support the chosen candidate, I know I will.

[flyarm]

37. thank you!! exactly!! i never make a fast decision on candidates..i want to see them all

and i want to watch them over the long haul..i have lived in 9 states..and from coast to coast..and a long time in the midwest..i look for who can relate to all, from coast to coast..i know how some of what people think in Missouri , Texas , Kansas , Milwaukee , Phoenix, California, Ny , Nj and Florida..all have different challenges, and problems ..and concerns..I want to see how all the candidates relate to people in all parts of this USA..before i decide on any one candidate..

but my heart and gut are screaming..the one person who could take the nation by storm ..right now..and do the best job for this country..is Al Gore..of that i have no doubt.

He is the only person i have no doubt about!! and full confidence about.
He can win..and i believe win, by a landslide!

fly

[WhiteTara]

44. your lips to the ears of the Goddess

you and I think the same. I am waiting. There is a long way to go and to rush in is a fool's errand. I am trying to become a delegate to be there for the draft on the floor, but the competition is fierce. Wish me luck on that. :hi:

[PBass]

34. I don't see how the alleged 52% figures into anyone's opinion either way.

Make up your own mind and vote for whoever you want, donate to whoever you want, work for whoever you want. Pay no attention to the polls, a year and a half out. Have a mind of your own.

Dennis Kucinich has single-digit support but I don't see anybody here using that as an excuse to write him off, certainly not that I am aware of. If you seriously like Kucinich then the single digit thing is not a deterrent. What percentage of voters would refuse to vote for Dennis? Should we start a dozen threads about that?

This is maybe the lowest form of political discourse: analyzing the pure "horse race" aspects of a campaign... analyzing the analysis, and then using that as a replacement for discussing policy and platforms and voting records.