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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:34 PM
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I'm not liking this at all!!
Heard about this yesterday, received this e-mail from RW who loves to nitpick..Anyone have any ideas what the hell she's doing????


"Pentagon officials are bracing for a fight with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) over her desire to allow lawmakers' adult children to tag along on taxpayer-funded travel for free," reports the Hill:

Pelosi wants them to be able to fill the role of lawmakers' spouses when the latter are unable to make a trip because of health issues or work commitments. . . .

Taxpayer watchdog groups and ethics advocates said they were surprised Pelosi would seek more perks for members.

"One of the things she was praised for when she came in was her sweeping reforms on gifts and travel," said Craig Holman of Public Citizen. "It is very disheartening if she is, in fact, backsliding on this."

We're so disillusioned. We really thought the Democrats were going to be different!
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:37 PM
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1. this is misleading
the current rules would allow her to bring her husband. If her husband can't go... why not one of her kids?

What worries me is that she'd spend any time fighting this. She has more important things to tend to.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:51 PM
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12. Never worry. She won't spend any time on it at all.
Jack Murtha has friends at DOD, he'll sort it out for her.

Her staff will do the work.

It makes sense. If an invitation is issued that falls within the guidelines for Invitational Travel Orders, it shouldn't matter if the accompanying family member is a spouse or an adult child, especially if it doesn't matter to the issuer of the invitation AND it is "in the interests of the US government."

We have done ITOs for YEARS, for spouses, even kids at times (military family sports and other sorts of morale boosters, e.g.) and all the time for "influential civilians" who might help the recruiting effort (like those guys who get to ride submarines)...they aren't new in DOD at all.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:37 PM
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2. I don't see the problem
if a spouse can't come, why can't they bring an adult child to fill in? It's still immediate family :shrug:
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:38 PM
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3. Link?
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:39 PM
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4. Source?
Doing a search on the Public Citizen on the word Pelosi doesn't turn anything up.
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:40 PM
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5. Lets see, can she pick a more stupid fight
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 03:22 PM by bottomofthehill
With her money she can pay for her own adult childern. Lets move on the the business at hand, governing!!!!!!

My God, I am really starting to wonder about our Madam Speaker
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:45 PM
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8. It's not a stupid fight. You bought the RW bullshit, though. See below. NT
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:28 PM
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16. It is a stupid fight to pick
I saw the article in the Hill and the first line alone is enough for me to know it is a stupid fight

From the Hill "Pentagon officials are bracing for a fight with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) over her desire to allow lawmakers adult children to tag along on taxpayer-funded travel for free."

Now really, do you think that there is any logic to this fight, more from the Hill,

"Pentagon officials say the policy is that the Treasury must be reimbursed at commercial rates for children who accompany members on such trips, often called codels.

Pelosis office inquired about such travel on June 1, according to a Department of Defense memo obtained by The Hill.
In a June 8 memo, the head of legislative affairs for the Pentagon, Robert L. Wilkie, told Defense Secretary Robert Gates that he sees Pelosis question as a first step toward challenging the policy"

I usually do have a habit of falling for right wing propaganda from groups like PUBLIC CITIZEN, those crazy neo-cons.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:29 AM
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21. She didn't pick any fight, though. She made what seems to me like an ENTIRELY reasonable request
Families nowadays aren't "Husband, the worker" accompanied by "Wife, the homemaker" anymore. I do know a lot about upper echelon protocol in military and government settings, and all you have to do is look at the guest list for a White House dinner to see that it isn't always "Power Man" accompanied by doting wife, or "Power Woman" accompanied by gray, forgettable wussy man.

All "codel" means is "Congressional delegation." I know, I've been on a shitload of them. Many call them what they are--boondoggles. It's when a whole bunch of congresscritters go and get base tours, do shopping, go out to eat at fancy places, and so forth. UK, Italy, Germany--they get 'em up the ass during the prime vacationing summer months.

But I'm not talking about THAT kind of "codel." Remember when Pelosi went to the ME, and popped in on Syria? It might have been USEFUL for her to have an adult child, like say, her daughter Andrea, along, to maybe do a little USA PR at, say, a Syrian film school. It would be a nice switch from the usual "send the wife to the daycare center and woman's cooking class" type event.

They're acting as though she wants to drag along the whole family, like it's a big vacation. All she wants is an adult to hold up half the schedule, provide balance at the dinner table (it's the way it's done, like it or not) and someone that she can bounce ideas off of during the course of the official visit. I don't think it is unreasonable.

You want some "unreasonable" travel? I still cannot understand why we taxpayers PAID for George P. Bush, who has no government job, ZERO diplomatic experience, and no CV to support this trip, to travel to URAGUAY. The US Embassy in Montevideo pulled the stops out of their ass to accomodate the little shitbird--and funny, no one said a word about that trip. Who knows how many other ITOs were signed for BushCo friends and family over the course of this administration???

The cite (I am not making this up): http://montevideo.usembassy.gov/usaweb/paginas/01-08-14...

He sure got a nice little vacation on OUR tax dollars, too--here's the presser, which, since it is a US government press release, and not copyrighted, is NOT subject to the usual "four or five paragraph" limit:

    George Prescott Bush, son of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, arrived in Montevideo today for a five day visit to meet Uruguayan President Batlle, legislators, American business executives and law students. Mr. Bush used the visit to discuss bilateral trade and political issues and to gain insight into key elements of the Uruguayan economy.

    Immediately after arrival and a brief visit to the historic U.S. Ambassador's Residence, Mr. Bush, accompanied by U.S. Ambassador Martin J. Silverstein, went directly to the Artigas National Monument. He paused for a moment of reflection in front of this great national hero and then visited the General's remains in the tomb below.

    Ambassador Silverstein escorted Mr. Bush on a walk through the old city to the Roman Catholic Cathedral. There Mr. Bush spent a moment of reflection and private prayer before visiting the U.S. Embassy for briefings and to meet Embassy staff.

    Tuesday, March 11 -- Mr. Bush and Ambassador Silverstein visited the Frigorfico Canelones near Montevideo to see one of Uruguays primary industries in action. At the majority American-owned beef processing plant, one of Uruguays top exporters to the United States, they were briefed on the importance of the beef sector to the Uruguayan economy. Beef is Uruguays main export commodity. Over half of all beef production is exported and beef exports make up approximately 20 percent of total exports.

    Following the visit to the beef processing plant, Mr. Bush and Ambassador Silverstein met with the board of the Uruguayan-American Chamber of Commerce. AmCham directors described the Chambers activities and how the Uruguayan recession and the regions problems impact their businesses. Mr. Bush shared his views concerning the importance of Latin America to the United States and the growing influence of this region on U.S. policies. On the importance of trade agreements, Mr. Bush talked about the extensive business opportunities which the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has created in the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

    President Batlle invited Mr. Bush and Ambassador and Mrs. Silverstein to a private lunch at his residence.

    In the afternoon Mr. Bush, accompanied by Ambassador Silverstein, met at the Uruguayan Legislature with Speaker of the House Jorge Chapper, followed by a meeting with Uruguayan legislators. Mr. Bush spoke about the involvement of youth in politics in the United States and their importance to both political parties. The importance of free trade was also discussed, including the benefits NAFTA has provided. Uruguayan legislators provided Mr. Bush with insights into the Uruguayan political system and key issues facing Uruguay.

    Wednesday, March 12 Mr. Bush, accompanied by Ambassador Silverstein, visited Fripur, one of South Americas leading processors of seafood products. The company is a major exporter to the U.S. and a major user of U.S. inputs for their products. Fripur, a 27-year old business with over 1,500 employees, exports to all regions of the world.

    Later in the morning Mr. Bush met with law students and faculty at the University of Montevideo for a roundtable discussion. He and fellow law students compared legal studies in the U.S. and Uruguay and exchanged ideas on the advantages of law studies for a political career. Mr. Bush explained his roles in President Bushs 2000 campaign and Florida Governor Jeb Bushs 2002 campaign. Uruguayan law students described Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) studies at the University of Montevideo.

    Mr. Bush and Ambassador and Mrs. Silverstein visited young patients at Montevideos Pereira Rossell pediatric hospital in the afternoon following delivery of $70,000 worth of assorted pharmaceutical products donated by Project CURE and transported to Uruguay by Federal Express. This delivery was the latest in a series of medical donations to Uruguay initiated by Ambassador Silverstein. Mr. Bush and Ambassador and Mrs. Silverstein visited the oncology ward, where they spoke privately with young cancer patients, and the pediatric ward where they saw the intensive care given premature babies.

    Thursday, March 13 Ambassador Martin J. Silverstein traveled with George P. Bush to Punta del Este to see this important Uruguayan venue of major international meetings. They toured the Pez Museum and the Casapueblo, designed and built around his original studio by renowned plastic artist Carlos Pez Vilar.

    Friday, March 14 George P. Bush visited the Uruguayan American School (UAS) accompanied by Ambassador Martin J. Silverstein and Administrative Officer David J. Savastuk.

    During Mr. Bush's hour-long visit to the school, UAS Director David Deuel guided him on a tour of elementary school classes, where they met and chatted with students. Mr. Bush then addressed middle and secondary school students in assembly, speaking to them about his own experiences as a college and law school student, and a high school teacher in an inner-city school in Miami, Florida. A lively question and answer session followed Mr. Bush's remarks, with secondary school students especially keen to have Mr. Bush's advice on what they can do to prepare themselves for college.

    At the close of the student assembly, Ambassador Silverstein presented Mr. Bush with the Embassy's Thomas Jefferson Citizen Diplomat Award "in recognition of selfless efforts and keen diplomatic skills in strengthening and solidifying bilateral relations between Uruguay and the United States of America."

    Later in the morning Mr. Bush and Ambassador Silverstein toured the Curtiembre Branaa, one of Uruguay's largest tanneries and biggest exporters to the U.S. Branaa's products are well-known throughout the world. Branaa is a supplier of automotive materials for such well-known brands as BMW and Peugeot. Mr. Bush and Ambassador Silverstein discussed with Branaa's owners the firm's current business activities in the U.S. and its interest in supplying the U.S. automotive market. An adjunct of Uruguays key beef export industry, leather tanning and leather products provide important value added to Uruguays export base.

    Mr. Bushs week-long visit to Uruguay came to a close with a courtesy call on Former President Luis Alberto Lacalle.

    Mr. Bush departed Uruguay the evening of March 14, on his way home to Austin, Texas, to finish his law degree.

    George P. Bushs visit to Uruguay significantly advanced the Embassys goal of increasing substantive contacts between private sector Americans and Uruguayan legislators, political leaders, businessmen, students and cultural figures.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:45 PM
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6. Do you have a link? Did you do "the google" to see if it were true and not a misrepresentation?
My google tells me the Free Republic morans are all over this story....and no one else!!!

DoD braces for a fight with Pelosi www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1849978/posts - Jun 14, 2007 - Similar pages

Pentagon Pushes Back On Pelosi's Perks (Queen Bee wants free air ...Pelosi wants the Pentagon to provide air travel to the adult children of House members without reimbursement when the spouses cannot accompany them on trips ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850011/posts - Jun 14, 2007 - Similar pages

The story comes from THE HILL. Here it is: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dod-braces-for-a-fi...

She's not asking for "free tickets for kids," FWIW. That's how it's being shopped, but it ain't what she's asking for.

What she is doing is asking that, in a case where protocol indicates that the presence of a spouse is desirable or indicated by an official invitation, and is in the interests of the government, that an ADULT child (a single adult child, not a crowd) can act as stand-in for the spouse if he or she is sick/unable to attend/dead/what have you. For example, if Robert Byrd was invited to an official dinner with the Queen, and this trip would benefit US diplomacy, he could bring his daughter along, since his wife is dead.

They sure do know how to jump on that woman, though, don't they?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:58 PM
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13. Nancy is just truly horrible and to think poor Scooter might go to jail
FOR COMMITING A FELONY. Where is the justice in the world? bush wastes 60 thousand an hour to fly back to DC to perform political theatre about teri schiavo and conservatives want to deprive a congressperson of an escort. Oh the humanity.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:31 AM
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22. Heh, heh...and of course, no one said a word about the ITOs issued for
George P. Bush to spend a week's vacation in Montevideo a few years back, when he was in law school!!

(Details in post 21). But hey, he's a BUSH...and they're .... special!!!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:45 PM
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7. you need to demand a source for crap like this from your "RW friends"
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 02:47 PM by Kali
and so what? How is that republican led war going anyway? what about those republican scandals and convictions?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:46 PM
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10. Heh, who has RW "friends?" I got the full story, see above. It ain't what they say it is. NT
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:46 PM
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9. Filling the role of a lawmakers' spouse...
should be a private matter.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:47 PM
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11. They've all got bigger things to argue about. I see no problem with this. nt
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:01 PM
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14. Sorry for not checking the source on this, I just had not heard a thing
and I'm pretty much a news junkie. Much ado about nothing I guess..
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:29 PM
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17. The Hill is a credible news source,
You do not need to apologize

www.hillnews.com
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:23 PM
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15. Shouldn't be an issue.
If the spouse can't attend, why not bring an adult child?

This is sort of like the First Lady role.
Not every president had their wives as First Lady; Buchanan had his niece, and I think one had a daughter act as first lady - I, of course, can't remember who it was right now.

What Pelosi is talking about is just another role to fill.

What a lot of fuss over a lot of nothing.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:54 PM
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18. It's having the right effect though
This story and others like it have made it to Mainstream Media time and time again, and are flogged by Faux News constantly.

The public is left with the impression that the Democratic Congress is "sleazy business as usual" and the result is poll numbers with higher disapproval ratings than the presidents.

So, thanks for giving legs to this right wing tripe.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:57 PM
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19. I truely keep NO RW friends..
none.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:22 PM
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20. Not a Big Deal
that is the least of our worries on political influence.
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