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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:04 PM
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Edwards campaign on Hillary's health care proposals: "Today's ideas have a familiar ring."
Via Talking Points Memo:

Hillary Unveils Health Care Proposals
Hillary Clinton is walking upon ground that proved to be treacherous for her in the early 1990's, rolling out a set of health care proposals. While her proposals mainly focus on preventive health care and electronic record-keeping in order to lower costs, one aspect could have a tough time passing: "As president, I will end the practice of insurance company cherry-picking once and for all by allowing anyone who wants to join a plan to do so and prohibiting insurance companies from carving out benefits or charging higher rates to people with health problems."

Edwards Campaign: Hillary Is Taking Our Health Care Proposals
"Today's ideas have a familiar ring," said Edwards campaign spokesman Mark Kornblau, talking about Hillary's proposals for health care. "John Edwards proposed specific steps to make health care affordable three months ago and from preventative care to chronic care to paperless records Senator Clinton has followed him down that path. We welcome her support and eagerly await her plan for universal coverage."

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:11 PM
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1. Talk about a load of shit.
But then again when your on a sinking ship, I guess all you have left is desperation.

It's more like his plan has followed her path. :eyes:
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:30 PM
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8. this is not a 'load of shit', it's exactly what's going on
please take a look at Krugman's piece on Edwards plan - i posted it a couple a posts down this thread.

You'll see that he challenges HRC and Obama to follow the lead. Which it appears she has done.

the ship is hardly sinking.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 01:27 PM
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2. TPM is correct about no pre-existing condition rules allowed being difficult to pass -but
Edited on Sat May-26-07 01:40 PM by papau
that is what makes her proposal so interesting to old actuaries that are also progressive liberals - she is proposing real change and going up against the insurance companies - indeed this is much more progressive than the 93 health plan, or Edwards plan, and only slightly to the right of Richardson's Medicare begins at 55 with right to purchase Senator's health plan below 55.

Re Richardsons federal plan - that plan has a rule that pre-existing conditions can not be considered from enrollment or cost:

No FEHB plan may refuse to provide benefits for any condition you or a covered family
member may have solely on the basis that it was a condition that existed before you enrolled
in a plan under the FEHB Program except as stated in any cosmetic surgery or dental
benefits description in this brochure.

http://www.opm.gov/insure/97/pdf/ri71-005.pdf

In any case, I like it.

I hope all the candidates will show as much guts as she has shown, and will adopt the idea.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 02:38 PM
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3. Awesome. Hillary is following the leader again. And Hillary even makes some minor changes to improve
on Edwards's plan, it appears. This all makes it much more likely that this is the type of plan that will pass.

This makes me very happy.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 05:48 PM
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4. What exactly is original in Edwards' plan?
Show us something nobody's already thought of.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:26 PM
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6. Paul Krugman seemed to think Edwards is the most original and best plan
I'm happy to accept his assessment.

Paul Krugman knows a bit about this stuff.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 07:52 PM
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11. Paul Krugman was very positive,
but he did not compare it to the other 2008 plans - because most weren't available yet.
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 09:20 PM
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12. true, but he hoped they would follow suit, which HRC has done
which is the point of the Edwards statement.

I copied the Krugman piece below, and he ends with this hope that Obama and Hillary step forward. She has.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:18 PM
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5. rates ... costs ... affordable ...
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venable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 06:28 PM
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7. Krugman on Edwards plan
New York Times: Edwards Gets It Right

Paul Krugman, Op-Ed Columnist
New York Times Column
Feb 9, 2007
What a difference two years makes! At this point in 2005, the only question seemed to be how much of Americas social insurance system the triumvirate of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid the Bush administration would manage to dismantle. Now almost all prominent Democrats and quite a few Republicans pay at least lip service to calls for a major expansion of social insurance, in the form of universal health care.
But fine words, by themselves, mean nothing. Remember compassionate conservatism? I wont trust presidential candidates on health care unless they provide enough specifics to show both that they understand the issues, and that theyre willing to face up to hard choices when necessary.
And former Senator John Edwards has just set a fine example.
At first glance, the Edwards health care plan looks similar to several other proposals out there, including one recently unveiled by Arnold Schwarzenegger in California. But a closer look reveals extra features in the Edwards plan that take it a lot closer to what the country really needs.
Like Mr. Schwarzenegger, Mr. Edwards sets out to cover the uninsured with a combination of regulation and financial aid. Right now, many people are uninsured because, as the Edwards press release puts it, insurance companies game the system to cover only healthy people. So the Edwards plan, like Schwarzeneggers, imposes community rating on insurers, basically requiring them to sell insurance to everyone at the same price.
Many other people are uninsured because they simply cant afford the cost. So the Edwards plan, again like other proposals, offers financial aid to help lower-income families buy insurance. To pay for this aid, he proposes rolling back tax cuts for households with incomes over $200,000 a year.
Finally, some people try to save money by going without coverage, so if they get sick they end up in emergency rooms at public expense. Like other plans, the Edwards plan would require all American residents to get insurance, and would require that all employers either provide insurance to their workers or pay a percentage of their payrolls into a government fund used to buy insurance.
But Mr. Edwards goes two steps further.
People who dont get insurance from their employers wouldnt have to deal individually with insurance companies: theyd purchase insurance through Health Markets: government-run bodies negotiating with insurance companies on the publics behalf. People would, in effect, be buying insurance from the government, with only the business of paying medical bills not the function of granting insurance in the first place outsourced to private insurers.
Why is this such a good idea? As the Edwards press release points out, marketing and underwriting the process of screening out high-risk clients are responsible for two-thirds of insurance companies overhead. With insurers selling to government-run Health Markets, not directly to individuals, most of these expenses should go away, making insurance considerably cheaper.
Better still, Health Markets, the press release says, will offer a choice between private insurers and a public insurance plan modeled after Medicare. This would offer a crucial degree of competition. The public insurance plan would almost certainly be cheaper than anything the private sector offers right now after all, Medicare has very low overhead. Private insurers would either have to match the public plans low premiums, or lose the competition.
And Mr. Edwards is O.K. with that. Over time, the press release says, the system may evolve toward a single-payer approach if individuals and businesses prefer the public plan.
So this is a smart, serious proposal. It addresses both the problem of the uninsured and the waste and inefficiency of our fragmented insurance system. And every candidate should be pressed to come up with something comparable.
Yes, that includes Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. So far, all we have from Mr. Obama is inspiring rhetoric about universal care thats great, but how do we get there? And how do we know whether Mrs. Clinton, who says that shes not ready to be specific, and that she wants to build the consensus first, will really be willing to take on this issue again?
To be fair, these are still early days. But Americas crumbling health care system is our most important domestic issue, and I think we have a right to know what those who would be president propose to do about it.
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doggyboy Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 07:49 PM
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9. I like Clinton's plan better
It does a better job of focusing on cost savings to fund the expansion in access. I also have more faith in Clinton's ability to actually fulfill these promises.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-26-07 07:52 PM
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10. Edwards and his people are really going for broke in the last few days!
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-28-07 10:29 AM
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13. The pot and kettle duke it out, LOL.
Of course, the best health care plan out there was on the table long before either of these plans were "unveiled:" HR 676.

<snip>

Dennis Kucinich is the only Presidential Candidate with a plan for a Universal Single Payer, NOT FOR PROFIT Healthcare system.

MEDICARE FOR ALL

The plan in embodied in HR 676 the Conyers-Kucinich bill, written by Dennis Kucinich & John Conyers

The plan covers all healthcare needs, including dental care, mental health care, vision care, prescription drugs, and long-term care - at NO extra cost!

Kucinich's plan, HR 676, is supported by 78 Members of Congress, 250 Union Locals, and 14,000 physicians and is endorsed by the New Hampshire Democratic Party.


more:

http://kucinich.us/issues/universalhealth.php
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