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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:54 PM
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Obama on Clinton’s War Views
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/obama-on-... /

In polite but direct remarks, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois took on the Clintons over Iraq this morning, delivering the sort of punch that might always tempt the famous bare knuckles of Clinton operatives. But, by mid-afternoon today, the Clinton camp was responding coolly.
On MSNBC this morning, Mr. Obama had this exchange with reporter David Gregory:
Mr. Gregory: “Bill Clinton has been interviewed the last couple of days about his global warming initiative, and one of the things he said last night is that there really isn’t any difference between you and Senator Clinton in terms of your voting records on Iraq. Do you think that is about right?”
Mr. Obama: “Well, I suppose that’s true if you leave out the fact that she authorized it and supported it and I said it was a bad idea. You know, that’s a fairly major difference.”
Mr. Gregory: “And to you, I gather this becomes a fundamental question of judgment, does it not?”
Mr. Obama: “Well, it does. I think very highly of Senator Clinton. I think she is a wonderful senator from New York, but — and I think very highly of Bill Clinton, but I think that it is fair to say that we had a fundamentally different opinion on the wisdom of this war. And I don’t think we can revise history when it comes to that.”

Mr. Obama has repeatedly made the point that he opposed the Iraq war as far back as the fall of 2002, when Mrs. Clinton was voting in the Senate to authorize military action in Iraq. But, until his remarks this morning, Mr. Obama has not been quite so direct in challenging President Clinton’s assertion — made mostly at private fundraisers this spring — that Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton have the same fundamental positions on Iraq today.
:woohoo:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:57 PM
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1. Once again Obama doesn't have his fact straight.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:58 PM
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3. Naaah its an argument of semantics.
Bill is right to say they have the same VOTING record.

Obama is right to say he was against the war in 2002.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:02 PM
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5. egg-zactly
:toast:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:06 PM
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8. Hey hey!
Saw that your main man left the door open a crack. Why does he tease you so!

:hi:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:15 PM
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9. He's keeping my hope alive ;)
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:17 PM
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11. That is a great picture!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 08:00 PM
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30. You believing that does not make it true. Obama is dead on and Hillary was dead wrong!
n/t
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:58 PM
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2. Its all about the words! Classic Bill!
Their VOTING records are the same when it comes ot the war in that they voted the same way on bills they both were eligible to vote for.

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:02 PM
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6. Hillary Stance
She tries to have it both ways. She made a bad decision. She will not apologize for it. We ended up in the war because of her and others voting for a war we should have never been in. The decision was wrong to give Bush the authority to go to war. That is the issue. Her ability to make the right decisions. We do not need to end up in another war because of another bad decision.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:15 PM
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10. If she apologized for it would that suddenly make her decision making ability better in your mind?
If your issue is with her decision making ability, why would an apology make a difference?

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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:35 PM
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18. never said an apology would help.
She made the wrong decision. We need to be able to count on people making the right decision.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 05:59 PM
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4. Obama should be nice. He isn't going to beat Hillary this time.
As Charlie Rangel told him, Obama is running to set himself up for a future run. The odds are hight that he will NOT beat out Hillary this time. If Obama goes after Hillary and makes a lot of conflict, he will greatly annoy a lot of people and seriously hurt his chances for the future.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:03 PM
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7. Keep Dreaming
:rofl:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:20 PM
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12. No, he's running to win--it's early. He'll take her on eventually.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:23 PM
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13. Future run he has no other chance after this and hears why
lets say Hillary wins it all and she does 8 years by 2016 the country will be ready for a rethug in the white house i am sure of that. it's a trend that seems to happen. i think by then the country and even the democrats will be sick of the Clinton's. but i don't think she's going to win the general election. I'm not convinced this country is ready for a female taking the top spot. maybe Vice President but President i don't know
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:28 PM
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15. If you don't know...we do! and we will!
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:32 PM
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17. Can anyone help me with an Obama question?
I believe him when he says he was against the war, but I can't find any print evidence of it. Do any of you know of any articles where he was quoted, or any articles that he wrote, where he said that, that date back to 2002? I'm from Missouri, and I'd like for someone to show me that in print.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:45 PM
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20. Here ya go
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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:02 PM
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23. I appreciate your effort in doing that.
That was a wonderful speech, and I only wish it could have had a larger audience at that time. I owe ya one, rinsd.

:hi:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:05 PM
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24. You owe me nothing.
It was a great speech and he is a great candidate...just not my candidate at this time. ;-)

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Rock_Garden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:27 PM
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29. He's not my candidate this time, either, but he's a great one. n/t
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:09 PM
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26. this is alot like the senate race....and we all know how that turned out.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:20 PM
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28. Exactly!
Martin O'Malley, Deval Patrick, Elliot Spitzer and others won't be sitting on the sidelines forever.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:26 PM
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14. Obama & the Big Dog-
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:30 PM
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16. If Hillary runs and loses, Obama's the nominee in 2012 unless he's annoying
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:49 PM
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21. Zing! zing! zing!
Thanks, thats priceless!
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:54 PM
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22. Purrrfect visual........



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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 08:09 PM
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31. Looks more like the Big Dawg and his "bitch" (in a strictly canine sense)...
:toast:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:37 PM
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32. and where is HIllary in this ?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 06:36 PM
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19. I disagree....
....if Obama does NOT distinguish himself he will NOT be considered for a future run. If he "plays dead" he will be dead. This is Obama's best opportunity for a run. In the future he might not have as much appeal, who knows? He is striking a chord and many people are responsive to his positive message, particularly after two terms of a failed Bush administration.

A lot can happen before things shake out. Don't count Obama out yet. I like his odds.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:08 PM
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25. I saw that this morning. He was very nice about it. Just correcting Gregory
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 07:10 PM
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27. don't count him out as this is so much like his senate race and I belive Obama won that
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