Wtf? question: Why is the White House website being routed through Utah!?!?

[Up2Late]

I hope you all can see this link <http://whois.domaintools.com/gwb43.us>

before it's shut down or "the mistake is found" or something, but I just found this page that shows how the White House web site is being bounced from <http://www.gwb43.us/> out to Utah and then back to the new Whitehouse.gov website.

I wonder if this is how they are "losing" the e-mails from KKKarl?

I saved a copy and posted as much of it as I could below, and again the link is <http://www.gwb43.us/> and <http://whois.domaintools.com/gwb43.us> to see The actual Whois page.

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http://source.domaintools.com/thumbnail.pgif?version=1&username=domaintools&key=umxxp-57676-kjghe-48211-yhwzw&url=gwb43.us&size=10
(Thumbnail of the front page)

Whois for Gwb43.us
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Front Page Information
Website Title: Welcome to the White House <http://www.gwb43.us/>
Record Type: Domain Name
Meta Description: Whitehouse.gov is the official web site for the White House and President George W. Bush, the 43rd President of the United States. This site is a source for information about the President, White House news and policies, White House history, the federal
Meta Keywords: social security, medicare, energy, tax relief, Education, policies, White House history, White House news, news, United States of America, 43rd President, George W., W., George W, President George W. Bush, President Bush, White House, government
AboutUs: Wiki article on Gwb43.us
SEO Score: 93%
Meta Relevance: 75%
Terms: 855 (Unique: 394, Linked: 199)
Images: 36 (Alt tags missing: 31)
Links: 89 (Internal: 88, Outbound: 1)
Server Data
Server Type: Apache
(Spry.com also uses Apache)
IP Address: 69.89.20.57
IP Location: United States - Utah - Orem - Bluehost Inc
Response Code: 200
Blacklist Status: Clear
SSL Cert: box57.bluehost.com expires in 3133 days
Website Status: Active

Registry Data
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Whois Server: whois.nic.us
DomainTools Exclusive
NS History: 1 change. Using 1 unique name server in 3 years.
IP History: 1 change. Using 1 unique IP address in 2 years.
Whois History: 8 records have been archived since 2007-03-13
Reverse IP: 1,030 other sites hosted on this server.
Monitor Domain: Set Free Alerts on gwb43.us
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Whois Record


Domain Name: GWB43.US
Domain ID: D9198254-US
Sponsoring Registrar: FAST DOMAIN INC.
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: FAST-12785447
Registrant Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Registrant Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Registrant Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Registrant Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Registrant Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Registrant City: Orem
Registrant State/Province: Utah
Registrant Postal Code: 84097
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Registrant Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Registrant Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
Registrant Application Purpose: P1
Registrant Nexus Category: C21
Administrative Contact ID: FAST-12785447
Administrative Contact Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Administrative Contact Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Administrative Contact Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Administrative Contact Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Administrative Contact Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Administrative Contact City: Orem
Administrative Contact State/Province: Utah
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 84097
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Administrative Contact Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
Administrative Application Purpose: P1
Administrative Nexus Category: C21
Billing Contact ID: FAST-12785447
Billing Contact Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Billing Contact Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Billing Contact Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Billing Contact Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Billing Contact Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Billing Contact City: Orem
Billing Contact State/Province: Utah
Billing Contact Postal Code: 84097
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Billing Contact Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Billing Contact Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
Billing Application Purpose: P1
Billing Nexus Category: C21
Technical Contact ID: FAST-12785447
Technical Contact Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Technical Contact Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Technical Contact Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Technical Contact Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Technical Contact Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Technical Contact City: Orem
Technical Contact State/Province: Utah
Technical Contact Postal Code: 84097
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Technical Contact Email: Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
Technical Application Purpose: P1
Technical Nexus Category: C21
Name Server: NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
Name Server: NS2.BLUEHOST.COM
Created by Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
Last Updated by Registrar: FAST DOMAIN INC.
Last Transferred Date: Tue Oct 17 05:11:08 GMT 2006
Domain Registration Date: Mon Dec 19 14:29:18 GMT 2005
Domain Expiration Date: Tue Dec 18 23:59:59 GMT 2007
Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Oct 17 05:11:18 GMT 2006

>>>> Whois database was last updated on: Fri Apr 13 07:33:43 GMT 2007 <<<<

[DFW]

1. Rove has strong Utah ties

He went to high school and college there, and worked
on the Senate campaigns of Utah Republicans. It may
be coincidence, but if so, they picked the wrong state
to give that impression.

[Up2Late]

5. I'm wondering if our "friend" Senator Orrin Hatch might be involved too...

...and (this would be sweet) our "friend" Mitt Romney too!

[lapfog_1]

2. gwb43.us is not an "official" government website or email

address. All official US government sites have a top level domain of either .gov or .mil


I suppose that there are "black op" sites run by various government organizations that violate this, but the white house shouldn't be one of them. I believe the use of gwb43.us domain for official government communication from the white house to the dept of justice to be illegal and an attempt to circumvent the archiving policies in place for "official communications" from the office of the President.

[lligrd]

3. Ya Think?

KKKarl would never do a thing like that. :sarcasm:

[Up2Late]

4. Just so I'm sure you all noticed this, the "Rove RNC e-mails" have been from a "dot Com" address...

...(gwb43.com) but this bounce out to Utah is "Dot US" (www.gwb43.us) which is slightly different. I searched here, but didn't find this .US address mentioned anywhere here at DU or in the MSM.

Where do you figure most of the Federal .gov servers are located? Probably somewhere in the D.C. Metro, right?:shrug:

[lapfog_1]

7. Surprisingly, no.

Many IT "deficient" federal agencies or offices have other "IT savvy" federal agencies do their IT work for them.

The White House, in particular, has long been one of those offices. NASA (in particular, NASA Ames, and in very particular, the NAS program at NASA Ames) did much to set up the original white house internet services. I happen to know this because I worked at the NAS program and one of my co-workers did all of the planning and provisioning.

Now, it's been a few years since I worked at the NAS, and I'm sure that the white house has taken over some of the functions formerly performed for them by NASA, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that many functions are still being handled by the systems my former co-worker set up.

The other .gov sites are administered by the various organizations, and they often have moved IT out of the "headquarter" areas, mostly because the federal buildings located in DC do not have the needed AC/cooling/etc, and it's easier to build a computer facility elsewhere than retrofit older federal buildings.

I know for a fact that the EPA, NASA, the Army Corp of Engineers, the DOE, and many other government agencies have very little "server" capacity in the DC area...

[Up2Late]

9. One more small question, I did a Whois on gwb43.com and it has No SSL on it.

Would that be a bit unusual or just rather reckless for the email coming out of the Whitehouse to have no encryption applied to it?

<http://whois.domaintools.com/gwb43.com>

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Front Page Information
Record Type: Domain Name
Indexed Data
Alexa Trend/Rank: The lower the rank the better. 917,112 (1 Month) 1,825,051 (3 Month)
Server Data
SSL Cert: No valid SSL on this Host
Website Status: No Website

Registry Data
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ICANN Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Created: 2004-01-16
Expires: 2008-01-16
Registrar Status: clientTransferProhib
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS1.CHA.SMARTECHCORP.NET

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NS History: 2 changes. Using 2 unique name servers in 3 years.
Whois History: 34 records have been archived since 2005-05-09
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Registrant:
Republican National Committee
310 First Street SE
Washington, DC 20003
US

Domain Name: GWB43.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Republican National Committee Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
310 First Street SE
Washington, DC 20003
US
202-863-8500 fax: [phone]


Record expires on 16-Jan-2008.
Record created on 16-Jan-2004.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.CHA.SMARTECHCORP.NET
A.NS.TRESPASSERS-W.NET

[lapfog_1]

10. The answer lies within the data from the whois

It's not a government domain, it was set up by the RNC or people associated with the RNC.

Perhaps they don't believe that their stuff needs to be encrypted? Or they don't know how to do that???
(after all, it IS the RNC...)

[truedelphi]

42. The RNC. The same people who in Jan of 1993 left the Clinton Administration

Room full after room full of typewriters, as if Bush Administration Number One had inhabited the year 1908 or something.

[Recursion]

32. Web SSL has nothing to do with encrypted email

All that tool is saying is that it can't find an HTTPS website at that address. That has nothing to do with email.

White House email may or may not use TLS or other encryption schemes in transit; the normal email probably does not. Email traffic to whitehouse.gov addresses is generally public in nature and there is little need to encrypt it. The President doesn't send memos to secretaries and generals from [email protected] ; he uses a totally separate system that is not on the public internet.

The traffic to and from whitehouse.gov addresses is
A) People like you and me writing the white house to say things about policies, etc.
B) The white house responding
C) Normal office traffic from staffers ("ooh, look at this dancing hamster!")

None of this has any particular need for encryption.

[bananas]

6. What are you talking about?

www.whitehouse.gov uses akamai.
It doesn't get "bounced" to gwb43.us.

[Up2Late]

8. Click this link, you'll see.

<http://whois.domaintools.com/gwb43.us>

No, it doesn't get "bounced" to gwb43.us, the gwb43.us web address bounces (or "re-directs" I think is the proper jargon) FROM gwb43.us to whitehouse.gov .

If you get to see the Whois .domaintools page, click the link at the top or the page that says "Welcome to the Whitehouse" or the Thumbnail picture to the right, it takes you to the Whitehouse's .gov website.

I don't know what it means, I'm hoping some here can find a good explanation, but just remember, the "missing Rove e-mail" went through the RNC owned gwb43.com email domain.

[Recursion]

33. I still don't see why this is important? Anybody can do that

I can take any of the domains I own and redirect traffic from them to whitehouse.gov

So what?

[Up2Late]

11. kick n/t

:kick:

[rec_report]

12. K&R. n/t

[tgnyc]

13. It's the only state where Bush has approval ratings near 50%

[formercia]

14. gwb43.us cited here also:

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002866.php

[Pawel K]

15. As an IT guy I am confused as to what you are getting from this

I'm not sure what the gwb43.us domain is but it could be owned by anyone and doesn't really mean it is associated with the white house. Even if it is I really don't see how that makes much of a difference.

What the DNS report is saying is that the web site is hosed by bluehost which has their datacenter in Utah. This is a large web host that has been up for a while. Then whoever owns that domain simply decided to point it whitehouse.gov which is a normal occurance on the internet. When you have an old domain instead of creating new content for it a lot of domain owners find it easier to point it to a different existing web site, I don't see how it has anything to do with the email controversy.

[CabalPowered]

25. I'm confused as well. Why? Why redirect gwb43.us to the WH

I can't think of any reason why they would want that domain to point to wh.gov.

[Pawel K]

43. There could be many reasons

but the fact it points to whitehouse.gov doesn't prove anything illegal or even wrong. Not saying there isn't anything illegal going on there but that is all speculation and this entire thread really doesn't make any sense if you know enough about how the internet works.

[habitual]

16. I hate to be the downer here, but i'm afraid i don't see any issue here

there is a website called gwb43.us that someone registered and simply have the site redirecting all traffic to the whitehouse website.

I could buy any domain that is available and do the same thing within seconds. There is no bouncing of official whitehouse traffic here, simply a redirect from whoever set up that site. That isn't to say there is not more to the site itself, i have no idea. I just don't see anything to get excited about cuz someone set up a redirect.

[Pawel K]

17. Exactly, if whitehouse.gov was being routed to geb43.us it would be a different story

But its not so there is really nothing unusual about this.

:shrugs:

[Up2Late]

22. You don't find the whitehouse.gov website being Hosted on gWb43.us in Utah unusual?

Do you work at the RNC or something?

Oh and don't look now, but you have 911 posts! Next post and it's gone forever.:dilemma:

[Pawel K]

24. I don't think you fully understand how domain pointers work

and please don't take this the wrong way, I've been doing this for 8 years now so let me see if I can help you understand.

When you buy a domain name for as little as $8.95 you can point that domain to whichever web site you want. So for example if I bought domain a.com and wanted to point it to b.com I could point to b.com even if I did not own that domain nor if I got permission from the owner of b.com.

When you say whitehouse.gov is hosed in some server in Utah you are actually factually wrong. whitehouse.gov is hosted on a government server. No where in the route to get to whitehouse.gov does gwb43.us enter the picture. It's the other way around which doesn't really mean anything in the context which you are trying to say it does.

Is there something fishy about gwb43.us? There could be, but the fact it points to whitehouse.gov and not the other way around doesn't prove much of anything. Hope that helps.

[Up2Late]

29. That could be true, but it still doesn't address one major Legal problem with this.

The Presidential Records Retention Act could make all of this very illegal.

I'm no expert on Federal Law (which is one of the reasons I'm throwing this question out to those who are), but dismissing out of hand that the Whitehouse Website being hosted by or passing through a Private Companies web server, where a copy of that data most likely exists and could be archived, which could be another violation of Federal Law as no big deal, seems rather foolish at best and suspect at worse.

Btw, watch your typos, you had a few major ones in that last post.

[Recursion]

31. Except it's not

Nothing about any whois or DNS record involving the domain gwbush43.us can have any effect on whitehouse.gov

That's how DNS is designed.

[Recursion]

30. That isn't what is happening

Seriously, I love you guys but I've seen a lot of uninformed speculation lately by people who don't understand DNS or SMTP or HTTP and it's starting to get on my nerves.

This does not mean whitehouse.gov is being hosted on a non-government server.

Let me demonstrate:

# what is the IP address for whitehouse.gov?
# find IP addresses using the utility "dig"

dig whitehouse.gov

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> whitehouse.gov
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 18731
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;whitehouse.gov. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
whitehouse.gov. 7182 IN A 63.161.169.137


# what is the pointer record for the IP address 63.161.169.137?
# find pointer records with the "dig" tool

dig 137.169.161.63.in-addr.arpa PTR

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> 137.169.161.63.in-addr.arpa PTR
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3015
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;137.169.161.63.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR

;; ANSWER SECTION:
137.169.161.63.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR www.whitehouse.gov.

;; Query time: 135 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.21#53(192.168.1.21)
;; WHEN: Fri Apr 13 14:32:28 2007
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 77


# who has been allocated the IP address 63.161.169.137?
# find IP address allocations with the "whois" tool

whois 63.161.169.137

Sprint SPRN-BLKS (NET-63-160-0-0-1)
63.160.0.0 - 63.175.255.255
FEMA SPRINTLINK (NET-63-161-169-0-1)
63.161.169.0 - 63.161.169.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-04-12 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

[Up2Late]

38. We are not talking about "whitehouse.gov" here...

Do a dig of "gwb43.us" and see what you get, because that's what I'm talking about here.

I'm just looking for info here, no need to defend any of this yet.

Btw, is that dig related to the new "dig" that seems to be gaining users? I'm looking for that new "Dig" but I'm not finding it.

[Recursion]

40. That dig (actually digg) is a website

And it's pretty cool

"dig" is a UNIX tool that does nameserver lookups.

I also dig'ed gwbush.com, and it redirects to whitehouse.gov, which was what we knew already. So what?

[Up2Late]

44. No, not gwbush.com, it's "gwb43.us" we are looking for here.

dig "gwb43.us" and then post the info here, just like you did with whitehouse.gov above.

Maybe you are missing something there that someone else might see, has that ever happened?

Sharing info is why we are here.

By not posting the correct info for this thread, you are sending up several red flags here.

If you don't post it, someone else will soon.

[Recursion]

46. Sorry, dude, relax, I meant .us

EDIT: I ran dig on the wrong domain again. Here is the output of

dig gwb43.us

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> gwb43.us
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4895
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gwb43.us. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
gwb43.us. 13904 IN A 69.89.20.57

;; Query time: 5 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.21#53(192.168.1.21)
;; WHEN: Fri Apr 13 17:02:20 2007
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42


So, who owns that IP address?

whois 69.89.20.57

OrgName: Bluehost Inc.
OrgID: BLUEH-2
Address: 1548 North Technology Way #D13
City: Orem
StateProv: UT
PostalCode: 84097
Country: US

NetRange: 69.89.16.0 - 69.89.31.255
CIDR: 69.89.16.0/20
NetName: BLUEHOST-NETWORK-1
NetHandle: NET-69-89-16-0-1
Parent: NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
NameServer: NS2.BLUEHOST.COM
Comment:
RegDate: 2006-10-02
Updated: 2006-11-01

RAbuseHandle: NOC2320-ARIN
RAbuseName: Network Operations Center
RAbusePhone: [phone]
RAbuseEmail: [email protected]

RNOCHandle: TECHN497-ARIN
RNOCName: Technical Operations
RNOCPhone: [phone]
RNOCEmail: [email protected]

OrgTechHandle: SAL72-ARIN
OrgTechName: Alligood, Steve
OrgTechPhone: [phone]
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2007-04-12 19:10
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


So frigging what?

We can check who owns the domain:

Domain Name: GWB43.US
Domain ID: D9198254-US
Sponsoring Registrar: FAST DOMAIN INC.
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registrant ID: FAST-12785447
Registrant Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Registrant Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Registrant Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Registrant Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Registrant Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Registrant City: Orem
Registrant State/Province: Utah
Registrant Postal Code: 84097
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Country Code: US
Registrant Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Registrant Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Registrant Email: [email protected]
Registrant Application Purpose: P1
Registrant Nexus Category: C21
Administrative Contact ID: FAST-12785447
Administrative Contact Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Administrative Contact Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Administrative Contact Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Administrative Contact Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Administrative Contact Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Administrative Contact City: Orem
Administrative Contact State/Province: Utah
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 84097
Administrative Contact Country: United States
Administrative Contact Country Code: US
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Administrative Contact Email: [email protected]
Administrative Application Purpose: P1
Administrative Nexus Category: C21
Billing Contact ID: FAST-12785447
Billing Contact Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Billing Contact Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Billing Contact Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Billing Contact Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Billing Contact Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Billing Contact City: Orem
Billing Contact State/Province: Utah
Billing Contact Postal Code: 84097
Billing Contact Country: United States
Billing Contact Country Code: US
Billing Contact Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Billing Contact Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Billing Contact Email: [email protected]
Billing Application Purpose: P1
Billing Nexus Category: C21
Technical Contact ID: FAST-12785447
Technical Contact Name: BlueHost.Com - ONLY 6.95 PER MONTH
Technical Contact Organization: BlueHost.Com, POWERFUL WEB HOSTING - 30GB Disc - 750GB Transfer
Technical Contact Address1: ** FREE DOMAIN REGISTRATION **
Technical Contact Address2: 1548 N Technology Way, #D13
Technical Contact Address3: Whois Server: whois.bluehost.com
Technical Contact City: Orem
Technical Contact State/Province: Utah
Technical Contact Postal Code: 84097
Technical Contact Country: United States
Technical Contact Country Code: US
Technical Contact Phone Number: +1.8017659400
Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +1.8017651992
Technical Contact Email: [email protected]
Technical Application Purpose: P1
Technical Nexus Category: C21
Name Server: NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
Name Server: NS2.BLUEHOST.COM
Created by Registrar: WILD WEST DOMAINS, INC.
Last Updated by Registrar: FAST DOMAIN INC.
Last Transferred Date: Tue Oct 17 05:11:08 GMT 2006
Domain Registration Date: Mon Dec 19 14:29:18 GMT 2005
Domain Expiration Date: Tue Dec 18 23:59:59 GMT 2007
Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Oct 17 05:11:18 GMT 2006

>>>> Whois database was last updated on: Fri Apr 13 21:07:41 GMT 2007 <<<<

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Finally, for the pedantic, what is the PTR of that IP address?

dig 57.20.89.69.in-addr.arpa ptr

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> 57.20.89.69.in-addr.arpa ptr
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1944
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;57.20.89.69.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR

;; ANSWER SECTION:
57.20.89.69.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN PTR box57.bluehost.com.

;; Query time: 202 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.21#53(192.168.1.21)
;; WHEN: Fri Apr 13 17:12:28 2007
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 74


Now that I've piped a shell command for you, maybe you can explain what the hubub here is about. Why do you care what whoever owns gwb43.us is doing with it? I still fail to see how that one domain name matters for anything.

[Recursion]

47. Grrr sorry wrong domain again. Here is the output of "dig gwb43.us"

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> gwb43.us
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 12817
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;gwb43.us. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
gwb43.us. 14400 IN A 69.89.20.57

;; Query time: 103 msec
;; SERVER: 192.168.1.21#53(192.168.1.21)
;; WHEN: Fri Apr 13 16:54:03 2007
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42

Now. Why do you care what IP address the owner of gwb43.us has set it up to point to?

[Up2Late]

51. Why? Have you been following the news about how the WH is Stonewalling the Congress...

...in it's investigation of the so-called "lost" KRove RNC server based email and their refusal to cooperate with the Judiciary Committees in Congress?

I know from experience that, to "lose" email take a lot of work and deliberate effort, so I think it's very unlikely that they simply "lost" email. They could find them if they wanted to, so I just want this info out in the open were some sharp Congressional aid can find it.

Frankly, I don't know if any of this info will be important in the end. If it's nothing, then so what. I lose a little credibility with a few here at DU, but then again, maybe some here will appreciate my efforts, who knows.

But then again, maybe it will make a difference at some point. All I know is that as long as I still have the legal right to question the my Government and question their, what looks like to me is more illegal actions, then I'm going to take that risk. Because I have to tell ya, in all of my 43 years, I've never been as worried as I am right now, that I was about to lose that right.

And if you want to just sit back and just wait to see what happens, that's your right too. But what I see is my rights as an American swirling around the bowl, about to go down the crapper, so if I can do anything to help the members of Congress save those rights, I'm going to do what I can.

So thank you for the info you provided, and let's all pray that this all turns out to be nothing.:patriot:

[supernova]

18. Storage and systems

Sytems are incredibly large now and are comprised of components that could be a very long way from teach other This is especially true with off-site storage systems. Sometimes those really can be hundreds of miles away from the primary site.

So the fact that some of this is going to Utah and back doesn't surprise me.

[Up2Late]

21. That could be a big factor, but this still seems very odd & suspect given Roves "lost" RNC email...

...at an almost identical web address.

And hosting the Public website for "the People's House" though Discount Web Host??? I think this needs some attention.

If nothing else, this seems dangerously sloppy and insecure.

Is it part of the Whitehouse's pattern of trying to circumvent current Law??? Maybe?:shrug:

With all the "lost email" and all the other stuff going on, this question should be asked, I think.

(Note: all mis-spelling and wrong punctuation are intentional)

[gordianot]

19. Given the sensitivity of information going into the Whitehouse, the NSA would be involved.

Any signal message going into or out of the Whitehouse would be carefully reviewed. That any email, radio transmission, note, piece of mail could enter or exit without at least tracing the source or going though a classification review should be unthinkable. If they have lost mail email, who now has that information (according to the WH America has numerous enemies)? By not carefully finding this information and assessing potential damage this level of neglect borders on treason. My email letters are mundane and as much as I cherish my Constitutional right to privacy, loss of that privacy does not threaten national security. Loss of control email and other electronic signals at the Whitehouse is another matter, they have lost what could be potentially vital information and they have no clue as to what they have lost. I suspect however this administration with their obsessions on loyalty has not neglected to spy on every word, email, letter or signal leaving the Whitehouse. If they ever utter truth in the era of George W. Bush, be assured it was by accident.

[The Count]

20. hell, yeah, I bet NSA had copies of them "lost" e-mails. Riiight?

[Recursion]

34. Not really. Public Internet traffic to the Whitehouse is not very important

Actual sensitive information is transmitted through separate systems that are not part of the public Internet (though I believe they use standard Internet protocols). The White House and OEB are just big offices and have the same dreary, stupid email traffic as every other big office.

[gordianot]

37. That is amazing.

So an agent (lets say low level official with lots of debt) working in the White House could just use his email with no scrutiny. The one place that needs scrutiny of communication traffic appears to have very little or none. It seems to me it should be important.

[Recursion]

41. If he has "lots of debt" he wouldn't get clearance to work there

The whitehouse.gov email system is for Executive staff to be able to communicate with the public and other parts of government. It's not terribly secure and is not meant to be; it's about at the level of a cell phone call (slightly more secure than that, I guess).

[ArmchairMeme]

23. Clarification

When reading through these messages it appears that whitehouse.gov is being hosted from a commercial server (.com) Is that correct? If so, then that is breaking the law.

[CabalPowered]

26. No the gwb43.us domain simply bounces traffic to wh.gov

It doesn't host the site. But why? is the $64,000 question..

[habitual]

28. i've got a possibility

some repub bought the domain name and hosted it (it happens to be on a server with over a thousand other domains hosted) and pointed all traffic that came to it to bounce to the whitehouse.gov site. people do it all the time.

Edit to add this: I bet this notice of the domain on DU has generated more traffic than that domain has seen over it's entire lifetime.

[CabalPowered]

39. Sure. I understand that, I do it myself. But the GOP has dozens of other

domains. Yet it appears this is the only one out of the bunch that is redirecting. Why this one? I understand the revelation of redirecting traffic has nothing to do with missing emails but someone went through the trouble of at least setting up the redirect. It probably means nothing and will remain another unanswered question.

Ya I pulled the Alexa page on the domain and nada for traffic. And archive.org doesn't have anything either.

I did read earlier that the WH page runs WebTrends analytics software. They'll definitely see a spike in referrals from gwb43.us.

[Up2Late]

45. I think this will all make perfect sense on January 20, 2009 when the Whitehouse website...

...is taken down and becomes another of the "Public Records" that the Bush Cabal will claim they don't have to share with the public or allow access to, because it will be lock away in a "private" archive in Utah. That's what I think this is all about.

I still remember back on January 20, 2000, I wanted to see what would happen to the Clinton White House website, so I was watching the live T.V. feed of the inauguration of * and kept hitting the refresh button for the website.

As soon as he shook hands with Chief Justice Rehnquist it went "pop!"

It was like someone either had their finger over the delete key or that they just pulled the plug on it. It took several Days before anything replaced it.

[Recursion]

48. Except that this doesn't affect that

Look, say I owned dmesg.com

If I wanted to, I could make that domain point to whitehouse.gov

Nobody could do anything about it.

It wouldn't affect where the servers are

It wouldn't affect what's on the servers

It wouldn't make hiding info any more or less difficult.

This really is nothing.

[Recursion]

27. That's not what that says at all; that record is for gwbush43.us

.us is an open registry; anybody can buy a name there (though nobody uses it anymore much)

[Up2Late]

35. Except it's not just "anybody " who bought it. The domain is owned by the RNC...

...which I'm fairly sure is a violation of several Federal Laws.

If this was the website of a Private Company it would be fine, but it's not. This definitely needs some attention by Congress before it's too late.

[Recursion]

36. No, it's really not a violation of law

You, I, the RNC, the DNC, or indeed anyone can buy a domain ending in .us, including gwbush43.us

You, I, the RNC, the DNC, or indeed anyone can redirect any domain they own to any other domain, including whitehouse.gov

Unless there's some additional information that hasn't been provided, there's (for once) nothing illegal or even unusual going on here.

[L. Coyote]

49. They also host a site posting election fraud articles ??

IP Address: 69.89.20.57
IP Location: United States - Utah - Orem - Bluehost Inc
NS1.BLUEHOST.COM

They also host a site posting election fraud articles (including reprintings w/o permission of authors).

Domain Name: ELECTIONFRAUDBLOG.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.BLUEHOST.COM
NS2.BLUEHOST.COM

SEE: http://electionfraudblog.com/

So, who is really behind this site and the articles they link?

[Recursion]

50. Bluehost is just a hosting company

Somebody pays them $20 a month (or whatever) and they run the DNS and provide virtual or shared servers. The fact that gwb43.us and a voting fraud site are on the same hosting company means absolutely nothing.

DU and Free Republic could be on the same hosting company and it wouldn't mean anything.

[Up2Late]

52. kick n/t

:kick: