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southern democrat Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:52 AM
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Are you presently satisfied with the Democratic party ?
Please give responses in % satisfied vs. % disatisfied
Myself,I am 75 % disatisfied.I am at my lowest opinion of the established party and their reasoning.While I agree with nearly all Democratic platform positions.I feel our leadership as allowed our party to be reactionist rather than progressive.They also seem to keep us on a path of being the lesser of 2 evils.

I firmly believe we need new vision and people to propel our agenda forward.If this election is lost and our selecting a traditional candidate is weak nationally.It will be very very tough to rebound next time around.

John Kerry's biggest asset is his precieved abilitiy to beat Bush in the GE.This preception is mostly manufactured through the media,not by logic.Supporting any candidate because of silly meaningless polls designed to allow the media to have more say in the democratic process than the people is very niave,to say the least.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:57 AM
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1. 98$ dissatisfied 2% satisfied
Allowing the corporate media to influence our choice of candidates is mind-blowingly stupid.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:57 AM
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2. ummmmm, leeemeee see....ummmmm, 100% as in HELL NAW I'm not satisfied!
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 10:06 AM by xultar
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:58 AM
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3. 85% disatisfied
Were it not for Robert Byrd and Harry Ried fighting hard on the floor recently I would probably have given up on the Democratic party allready.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:00 AM
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4. I am close to the 75% mark as well.
I think the DLC has outlived its usefulness and the party
must move leftward to grow strong again.
We need to re distribute wealth radically downward, from the idle capitalist classes that no longer want to work to generate wealth, but simply inherit it untaxed for generations.

America became mighty with a strong middle class.
That middle class, is about to fall into a vast hole of debt.
That debt should be mitigated, and the non idle rich should be paid fair wages, have real healthcare, and education appropriate to the 21st C, not the 19th.

If this sounds like class warfare, I say 'bring 'em on.'
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:00 AM
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5. 50/50
The success of the Democratic Party has nothing to do with what we "think " of it. It has to do with our willingness to participate at all levels and to help direct the discourse over the next few years. Our ability to find qualified people to run against Republicans in every district until we gain control. Without the active engagement of "we the people" anybody with enough money will fill the gap and control the outcome.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:00 AM
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6. I'm 99% dissatisfied with the Democratic Party
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:01 AM
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7. 95% dissatisfied, 5% satisfied.
In the interest of appealing to Right-Wing voters, the party has
totally abandoned most of the political positions that I hold dear.

Atlant
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:07 AM
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14. 99.9% dissatisfied
A huge disappointment for me at the moment is the DNC calling for the primary to be over. If they wanted IOWA and New Hampshire to choose the candidate then why the hell do we even have primaries scheduled in other states. I take personal offense (and deep offense it is) at being told what I think doesn't matter!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:17 AM
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18. 95% disappointed...I agree with this and would add that it further offends
me that people who have worked hard for candidates haven't had the opportunity to vote for them yet. I would be pissed if I had worked for a candidate and possibly have that candidate drop out prior to my primary.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:29 AM
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24. Or forced out
because Terry Mac is throwing a fit. To call this thing before super Tuesday can only be one of two things.

1. They just plain don't give a fat rat's a** what the rest of us think (but EXPECT us to remain loyal and come through in the GE)

or

2. Someone somewhere is afraid of how things could end at convention.

From the calls that have come from the DNC thus far they may as well be saying to the other 80-85% of us "Sit down, shut up and do as WE tell you to do". I for one am not receptive to that at all! I can think for myself and don't need ANYONE to do it for me.
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jmoss Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:04 AM
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8. The problem with politics & governement is...
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 10:06 AM by jmoss
......that the best people out there, are out there. I don't believe the best of the best have the desire, or the confidence, to put themselves out there as candidates. They tend to stay in the private sector. We need more appealing candidates, those men & women that could conceivably break the mold of Americans have grown to accept as "the norm".

Government has unique parameters, and it must be extremely difficult to infuse a a new paradigm into the equation of what constitutes an inspiring leader.

By the way, I'm 95% satisfied with the Democratic Party, federally, if we end up with John Edwards somewhere on the ticket. But living in North Carolina, I'm very dissatisfied with how little our influence is outside of liberal areas such as Raleigh, Durham & Chapel Hill. It's major Universities that drive the liberal message.

Out on the farms, up in the mountains, and in the tobacco & furniture factories, however, it's Repugnantcans or bust, for some darn awful reason.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:09 AM
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16. That's one of the Democratic Party's greatest failures
They have allowed the definition of the party that is propogated by the right wing become the default definition, and they have done it by trying to play by GOP rules. What is needed is a national redefinition of the terms of debate that more accurately reflects the party ideals and exposes the GOP hypocrisy for what it is.

The voters are there, even in the rural south, if we make the debate more appealing to them than gay marriage and banning the ten commandments.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:05 AM
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9. Almost completely dissatisfied at the national level
... say 90% dissatisfied...

If there were a viable third party that was more free of corporate influence and entrenched politics, even one in the center rather than one on the left, I would jump ship in an instant. Until the Democratic party reclaims its agenda, it's just part of the problem.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:05 AM
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10. 95% dissatisfied. on a good day.
it's the lesser of two bad choices, and thats only for issues (mostly minor, some not) on which there even *is* a real choice between them. i read farenheit 451 recently. one of my favorite, chilling, lines in there went something like "if you want to keep a man happy, don't give him two sides to anything political. give him one. or better yet, give him none."

one, or none, is most of what we get. this has been the case with our country since it was founded, and was the case with most of the world long before. i'll never be "satisfied" with a political faction. i only wish there were one i could get behind with which i could be dissatisfied a little less.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:05 AM
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11. Thoroughly, completly dissatisfied and disgusted with the Dems
Which is why I'm going Green, after thirty plus years of being a loyal, contributing, energetic Dem. The party has sold out to the corporations and left it's base behind in an ever rightward quest for the almighty dollar. There are still a few good liberal politicos in the party, but by and large these voices are drowned out by the DLC/New Dem corporate whores.

It is time for a new party to arise.
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ShimokitaJer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:20 AM
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20. I agree that it's time for a new party
But I don't think the Greens are the way to go, though I voted Green in 2000. Although most of my personal positions are close to the Green party platform, I don't believe the message or the methods can resonate with enough voters to make it a viable challenge to either mainstream party.

I think the time is perfect for a new party in the center -- not the center of corporate donations and American imperialism that seems to be controlling both parties right now, but the center of responsible spending and effective social programs. There are enough dissaffected Republicans and Democrats who are disgusted with the direction Bush has taken his party and the country that a party might be formed to work against the type of excess his administration embodies. Health care, education, effective corporate oversight, workers' rights, and protection of the environment are not left-wing issues -- they are mainstream enough to find support on both sides if we transcend the hypocrisy of the the right wing "free" market and the perception of the Democrats as big spenders.

Perot tapped into this group, as did McCain in 2000, and Dean has been doing the same with his centrist "straigh talk" campaign. There are enough voters there to make a real difference in THIS election, and enough dissatisfied of both parties who want a choice besides the other side.
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PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:07 AM
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12. 50% but ever hopeful.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:07 AM
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13. 93% dissatisfied
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 10:08 AM by HFishbine
I give 'em 7% to acknowledge the stalwarts of traditional democratic values like Dennis Kucinich and Robert Byrd.

99% dissatisfied at the state and local level.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:09 AM
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15. We've come a long way, baby
at least we have a strategy. Even if it's not necessarily the direction I wanted us to go, we appear unified. We've picked something an committed to it.

80% satisified.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:10 AM
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17. 100% dissatisfied --
which means I am no longer really considering myself a Democrat at all. Unless I think of myself as a Dean Democrat.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:19 AM
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19. I'm more of a 15%/85% kind of guy.
I still vote for a few Democrats, but ideas matter far more than party affiliation. That tends to carry me toward Greens.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:20 AM
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21. Dissatisfied
Total unadulterated dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party.
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efront Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:21 AM
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22. 100% satisfied
Especially living in Michigan, I feel lucky to have great Dems like Levin, Stabenow and Granholm leading my state. Further, the party offered a number of great candidates for president this cycle (Edwards, Dean, Gephardt, Clark, DK, JFK).

Additionally, I think the party is in line with the mainstream values of our nation far more so than the GOP. Many DUers are WAY more liberal than the rest of society, so I can understand why you would want to move the party left. But the party still embraces core democratic values and appeals to the masses. That is the formula to start winning more elections and getting control of Washington again.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:24 AM
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23. i don't think of the question like that
the democratic party is ''establishment'', ''status quo'' ... and i'm a child of the 60's and while i loved lbj's great society i hated his stand on viet nam.
republicans are not even on the radar screen for me -- because to me conservatism is deadly -- it's not alive.
it's liberalism and it's effectiveness with bringing positive change to our government and society that i'm concerned with.
and like other posters have mentioned -- corporatism is the biggest threat to our world today -- that i can see. and to the extent that the democratic party is in bed with the corporate powers that be{my perception there of} mirrors my dissatisfaction/satifaction.
that was the long answer short answer -- 90%.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:38 AM
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25. I'm 99% unsatisfied, 1% unsure
It all started crumbling during the 2000 selection. I was upset that the Democratic Party didn't fight hard enough for Flordia.

Then 9/11 happened and while I agreed with the unity on the day it happened and the week proceeding, I thought the Democrats just lied down and played dead for years for fear that Republicans would complain whenever a Democrat dared to ask any questions on things like the Patriot Act or going to war in Iraq. The few courageous people who did stand up weren't backed up by their Democratic peers. There comes a time when doing what is best for the country is more important than polls or popularity contests.

Midterm elections anyone? Does anyone have any memory of witnessing actual Party leadership during the 2002 elections? I don't. Once again, I felt abandoned and unspoken for.

Redistricting in TX. The Democrats in my state are TOUGH. The political game is extra hard down here and we fought tooth and nail. I wish we had more support from the National Democratic Party...we needed it. Now I have no voice. It's official. I think my new district here in Austin runs all the way down to Houston. My best friend who lives 10 minutes from me...her district runs all the way down to the Mexican border.

Present. I honestly respect any Democratic candidate who wins the nomination fairly. However, when a Democrat gains the support of over half a million grassroot supporters a year before the election, heaven forbid the Democratic Party take the group seriously. At a time when we as a party should have celebrated the unity of Greens, Democrats, and Independents coming together as well as former apathetics to politics, Democratic groups such as the DLC treated the movement as a 3rd party...an unequal and non-important 3rd party, it's as if the DLC doesn't even want us to vote Democratic.

Should the DNC have stepped in? Not to stop the other candidates from attacking Dean, but I don't see the problem with reigning in the DLC and assholes who start 527's for the sole purpose of making commercials that tell people that a Democratic candidate winning means OBL wins. There's a way to embrace the grassroots activists without embracing the candidate. But instead, we were told we were nothing more than extreme leftist activists who don't matter. This is the same type of bullshit that split the party in 2000. It's a stupid tactic.

The party wants my support and refuses to give anything in return. Now I think I know how the African-American voter feels like...taken for granted.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:41 AM
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26. I'm leaving the Democratic Party.
I'm finished with the bullshit. After the GE...where I will write in Wes Clark, I'm registering as an Independent. Terry McAuliffe chose Kerry for us with a lot of media help. The DNC will NEVER get one more penny of my money.
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