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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:29 AM
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I am withdrawing my support of everyone (except maybe Edwards)
I supported Dean, but with the recent in-fighting, I am just getting sick to my stomach. I dont blame Dean 100 percent for this, and I dont blame Kerry 100 percent, but they both are to blame for the bad blood between both camps.

Kerry is a master politican and Dean a little too idealistic and you see the result when we use our own weapons against our own guys. The Kerry "tide" wants to snuff out the competiton in a way that makes Dean supporters feel cheated and short changed. There is no reason for people to drop with haste, and it only serves to shorten the vetting process that test our candidates. This helps the Republicans not us.

On the other hand Dean has lashed out in a way that is rather disturbing and maybe childish, but I think it has something to do with the way he was treated. The pre-Iowa any but Dean crusade, then the activites of the "neutral" DNC rallying behind Kerry following the upset win.

I am just displeased with the process, and I hope Dean and Kerry and the vocal supporters are happy that they have killed any enthusiam I can have for thier two campaigns. I will just sit back quietly, shake my head, frown, and vote for the Dem come November.

However, I must say I am still happy about Edwards, who may be the real winner in all this (now if he would just stop doing that sci-fi psychic show). The last line was a joke to put some humor back into this.

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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:40 AM
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1. There is a guy named Dennis in the race.
You might want to check out his platform.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:51 AM
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2. Yes!
Edited on Thu Feb-12-04 01:54 AM by burrowowl
But for many DUers and many Mericans he and Al are the only slightly leftist. It scares them because ....?
In GD there is a topic on voting even if with a graph showing the Left-Right, Authoritarian-Libertarian positions of the candidtes and Bu$hie. It is interesting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1112640
I had thought that human beans, being endowed with intelligence and free will could avert catasthorphy. But, instead of beans, they seem to be featherless bi-peds with there heads cut off.
Hopefully, the earth will survive as a planet with life.
By the way, Gore Vidal called DK a commonsense conservative, e.g., FDR, TR.
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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:36 AM
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12. That chart on that thread
Kerry falls to the left of Dean, south of Braun, and southwest of the other candidates besides Kucinich and Sharpton? That kind of shocks me.
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:47 AM
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15. I don't think this test is ...
Fair and balanced, to steal from Faux.

For one, it looks to much like that loopie Libertarian test.

Second, just like the Libertarian test, the questions are simplistic and issues are always more complicated than what a few questions can adequately cover.

Third, the candidates did not answer the questions as phrased in the test, so what does it really prove.

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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:55 AM
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5. I am sorry, I forgot DK
I thought I saw somewhere he turned it in. I didn't realize he was still alive. I looked for results from him and sharpton in the recent primaries and didn't see them, and assumed it was down to 3.

Of course I get tired of clicking 100 times to get all the details to a story that should have been on the first page.

In that case he still has my support too. Not sure I can extend that to Sharpton.
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:17 AM
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9. beat Edwards and Clark
in Washington and Maine. Dennis isn't turning it in till the convention. His campaign is moving up rather than down. Looking forward to Super Tuesday with California.
Scott
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:33 AM
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11. HE BEAT EDWARDS AND CLARK!!!
Why didn't I hear this anywhere?

I took a break from the internet due to a little burnout during the past weekend to get away from it all. I only heard on the radio that the expected Kerry victory was in hand. By the time I came back we were into Tenn and VA.

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Rationality Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:41 AM
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14. Sorry to rain on the party
But Kucinich's 3rd-place (do I have that right?) showing in Washington is as good as it's going to get for him. WA is THE liberal state, not as much CA.
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:49 AM
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16. I wasn't excited, I was shocked
How did I miss that, and why wasn't it reported?

How much would it take away from the news to say and Kucinih had his best showing in a primary at x percent.

3 seconds?
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:54 AM
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18. too much time for a media
that wishes to completely ignore and exclude him from the race.
Scott
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:52 AM
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17. He did better in Maine actually
While its still incomplete I believe he got 16 percent in Maine vs around 8 in Washington. Either way you can't rain on my parade cause mine is scheduled rain or shine till the convention when I hope a progressive platform can gain some support :) Cheers.
Scott
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:51 AM
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3. This reminds me of a call I did to Virginia...
...the guy was like, "John Edwards? The guy with the show on CBS?"

I was like, "No, the Senator from North Carolina!"

He was like, "Yeah, I think you're really barking up the wrong tree here. I'm a Republican and I don't really follow politics."

...I told him he could still vote in the primary but I doubt I got a vote out of that one.
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Edge Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:53 AM
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4. Yeah...I'm sick of the Kerry/Dean crap too.
That's why I don't care for either of them. Dean makes childish attacks...Kerry, well, where do I start?

I will continue to support Edwards/Kucinich. You should check into both of them. They are top-notch candidates. :thumbsup:
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 01:59 AM
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6. I will admit
Dean inspired me with fighting words that got me motivated to act. Edwards however makes me feel good about the process. His go positive (well mostly positive) campaign may be the wave of the future, I hope (at least in primaries). Its hard to be positive in the GE cause of the lies, scare tactics and distortions the Republicans use every 2 years.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:03 AM
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7. At the end of the day, it's ABB.
We need every ABB vote this election. Please, for the sake of these United States, ABB ABB.
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:14 AM
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8. I never said I wouldn't vote
I just miss being happy about casting my ballot.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:28 AM
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10. It is a primary.
This is what is supposed to happen.

You think it is going to be any nicer once we choose a nominee?

That is when it is really going to get down and dirty.

Does it suck? Yes.

But is it worth it? Definitely.

And for the record my guy dropped out this week. But I will be supporting the nominee 100%.
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Gadave Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:37 AM
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13. In the GE I expect it
We are facing the bad guys and need to fight our hardest for victory. That is much easier when you feel energized by your candidates. Its hard to be energized when everyone is torn down by the negativity.

We need to debate the ideas and issues and not adopt a win at all cost mentaility in the primary.

The primary should not be about candidate X's ego and his need to win, it should be about getting the ideas out and letting the party find a standard bearer.

After New Hampshire I don't think I heard one word about ideas. It was all about Kerry being ahead 3 lengths at 2 furlongs. And how we should shoot Dean because he might break a leg.


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