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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:07 PM
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Are you a left wing extremist? Here's Joe Klein's definition:
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/03/since_you_asked....

Since you asked
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A left-wing extremist exhibits many, but not necessarily all, of the following attributes:

--believes the United States is a fundamentally negative force in the world.

--believes that American imperialism is the primary cause of Islamic radicalism.

--believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was not an individual case of monumental stupidity, but a consequence of Americas fundamental imperialistic nature.

--tends to blame America for the failures of othersi.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.

--doesnt believe that capitalism, carefully regulated and progressively taxed, is the best liberal idea in human history.

--believes American society is fundamentally unfair (as opposed to having unfair aspects that need improvement).

--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.

--believes that America isnt really a democracy.

--believes that corporations are fundamentally evil.

--believes in a corporate conspiracy that controls the world.

--is intolerant of good ideas when they come from conservative sources.

--dismissively mocks people of faith, especially those who are opposed to abortion and gay marriage.

--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives.

more...
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:09 PM
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1. Here's another one
--believes Joe Klein should go Cheney himself.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:10 PM
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2. I am a PROUD left wing extremist....
:rofl:

I couldn't have summarized most of my political beliefs any better if I'd done it myself. Joe Klein is spot on!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:12 PM
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3. Joe Klein was a frequent TV commentator on "Primary Colors"
a quasi-fictional account of the Clinton's 1992 primary race. The book was published with an "Anonymous" as an author, even though the Beltway insiders knew full well that Joe Klein was the author. It was very disingenous of Klein to present himself as an unbiased source and commentator on the book which he had written.

So much for Klein's integrity!
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:12 PM
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4. Yes!
She said proudly.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:13 PM
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5. What Joe Klein fails to note...
...is that many Americans would have different answers if they were allowed to add the words "under Bush" to some of the items.

Example:

believes that America isn't really a democracy (under Bush)

Conservatives ought to know that their standing in public opinion has been horribly damaged by Bush-Cheney.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:17 PM
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6. Well damn! I guess I don't know! I agree with 6 out of 13. What am I now?
It can't make me a conservative! I guess I'min limbo AGAIN!
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:24 AM
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19. Which ones?
Sounds like you're doing just about right.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:20 PM
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7. "--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language ..."
...to attack moderates or conservatives"

Oh, does he mean like calling candidates "faggot" or telling Congressmen to go fuck themselves?

Well, here's a harsh, vulgar, intolerant word for you - HYPOCRITE!

If the shoe fits...
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:20 PM
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8. Using joe's model and definition: FAR left wing extremist HERE!!!!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:29 PM
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9. That's a fairly vague list
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 01:31 PM by Fenris
--believes the United States is a fundamentally negative force in the world.

Is that "has always been" or "has become." Because if you said that the United States has become a "fundamentally negative force in the world," say, in the past six years, you are not wrong.

--believes that American imperialism is the primary cause of Islamic radicalism.

"American imperialism" is a pretty ill-defined term, Joe. Do you consider attempts by the United States to control various territories and their commodities imperialism? Because, while not the primary cause of Islamic radicalism, it certainly is a factor.

--believes that the decision to go to war in Iraq was not an individual case of monumental stupidity, but a consequence of Americas fundamental imperialistic nature.

See above. Also, why can't it be both.

--tends to blame America for the failures of othersi.e. the failure of our NATO allies to fulfill their responsibilities in Afghanistan.

Okay, now that's just an awkward statement. If one blames the United States for ignoring Afghanistan while going on a fool's errand in Iraq, is that blaming the United States for the failures of others?

--doesnt believe that capitalism, carefully regulated and progressively taxed, is the best liberal idea in human history.

Well, I happen to believe freedom of thought, of religion, of the press, and from the tyranny of monarchy is the best liberal idea in human history, but you go ahead and cling to idyllic capitalism.

--believes American society is fundamentally unfair (as opposed to having unfair aspects that need improvement).

What if what needs changing is a fundamental aspect of American society?

--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.

Poverty is the result of the inherent shortcomings of the market economy, and most crime is the result of poverty.

--believes that America isnt really a democracy.

It's not. It's a democratic republic.

--believes that corporations are fundamentally evil.

Corporations are fundamentally amoral. And you really like the word "fundamentally," don't you.

--believes in a corporate conspiracy that controls the world.

No, corporations influence foreign and domestic policy, they don't control.

--is intolerant of good ideas when they come from conservative sources.

Find me one, Joe.

--dismissively mocks people of faith, especially those who are opposed to abortion and gay marriage.

I notice you left out "fundamentalist." I thought you liked that word?

--regularly uses harsh, vulgar, intolerant language to attack moderates or conservatives.

As opposed to self-styled moderates who make blanket accusations about people on the left?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:31 PM
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10. Of course, it couldn't possibly be that when viewed from the Extreme Right...
...even moderate and middle of the road "lefties" tend to look like the "extreme Left" could it? No, that's imposable. :banghead:

Hell, I'd say I'm Middle Left (middle of the Left wing, not middle as in Centrists) and I totally agree with 90% of that. Most of the other 10% is just Extreme Right crazy talk though, which I doubt any sane person actually believes. :crazy:
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:35 PM
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11. Try substituting bush* administration for America (or the US)
Then I believe most of these.
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:37 PM
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12. definition of joel klein
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/s...

""""shit (sht) KEY Vulgar Slang

VERB:
shit , also shat (sht) KEY shitting , shits
VERB:
intr.
To defecate.
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tr.
To defecate in.
To tease or try to deceive.
NOUN:
1. Excrement.
2. The act or an instance of defecating.
3. shits Diarrhea. Used with the.
4. Something considered disgusting, of poor quality, foolish, or otherwise totally unacceptable.
5. A mean or contemptible person.
6. A narcotic or intoxicant, such as marijuana or heroin.
7. Things; items.
8. Foolish, deceitful, or boastful language.
9. Insolent talk or behavior.
10. Trouble or difficulty.
11. A small or worthless amount: He doesn't know shit.""""

May I add:

12. JOEL KLEIN
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 02:05 PM
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13. well, let's see
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 02:06 PM
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14. Why should I care what Joe Klein thinks?
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 04:03 PM
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15. American capitalism
is "carefully regulated and progressively taxed"?
News to me.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:05 PM
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16. Yep. That's me. Mostly.
And NOW I know why Joe Klein rubs me the wrong damn way most of the time. And why I consistently find him a Bush enabler.

aka: A GOOD German.
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Moderate Dem Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 09:12 PM
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17. Wow, I don't believe one of those things.
Then again, I don't consider myself an extremist.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 02:23 AM
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18. Some of that is. Some of that isn't.
I guess it's just like most things, right Joe? You're right sometimes, you're wrong sometimes.
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WorldResident Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-05-07 04:04 AM
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20. I only believe one of those things
--believes that eternal problems like crime and poverty are the primarily the fault of society.

The rest of those statements I disagree with.
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