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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:46 PM
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U.S. Congressman calls for war critics to be hung
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 07:11 PM by Flabbergasted
U.S. Congressman calls for war critics to be hung
Submitted by smartelf on Mon, 2007-02-19 16:43. Death Penalty | Iraq
by Sam Bishop, Fairbanks News-Miner
Feb. 16, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Don Young on Thursday added his voice to the speechifying about President Bush's Iraq policy and bolstered it with what he thought was the voice of President Abraham Lincoln.

The man who Young quoted, though, was not the nation's 16th president but a professor at a Washington, D.C., graduate school.

"I'd like to make a quote," Young began after being granted his five minutes on the House floor. "'Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged.'"

The quote, Young said, came from Lincoln, "who had the same problem this president had with a very unpopular war, the same problem with people trying to redirect the commander-in-chief."

However, the words Young attributed to Lincoln were written by J. Michael Waller, a professor at the Institute of World Politics. They metamorphosed into the illegitimate Lincoln quote on Dec. 23, 2003, in a column that Waller wrote for Insight, a conservative weekly magazine published by the owners of the Washington Times.

http://www.unknownnews.org/070216-Republican-agenda.htm...

Video here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...




"They want to see Americans executed for their political beliefs."


Commentary by Helen & Harry:

The minimal media attention about this has pointed out that Abe Lincoln never said what's attributed to him. The article on this page does a good job of that. But to my mind, debunking the Lincoln connection is mostly moot.

It's much more important to stop and ponder exactly what the columnist and the Congressman have endorsed: They want to see Americans executed for their political beliefs.
Young will not repeat the quote, person] said, but stands behind the point he was making.

The Congressman stands behind the point he was making, which was an open call to execute members of Congress who disagree with him.

To anyone who gives a damn about freedom, or cares in the slightest about any of the principles America allegedly stands for, Rep Young's call for executions ought to be worrisome indeed -- exponentially more worrisome than any of the perfectly polite questions that have been asked about the reasons and strategy of the war.

For years, Americans have swum through a swamp of empty-headed rhetoric seeking to silence debate. You know -- questioning the war means you're rooting for the enemy, they tell us. Or the matching lie, that opposing the waste of American soldiers' lives doesn't "support the troops." Any questions about any war should be shushed, Republicans say, because it might damage the troops' morale -- as if American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are so wimpy that even a contrary word will sap their strength.

Arguments like that have been part of an ongoing effort to stifle opposition to this stupid, senseless war, and it all adds up to "Shut up or you're un-American." It's been the neocons' most effective debating point, and it's worked. It's made a lot of people ignore their consciences.

And now, the right-wing has taken their argument to its logical conclusion: a blatant call to begin the round-up and execution of anyone who speaks against the Bush-Cheney administration.

Of course, it's not the first time Republicans have mentioned their endgame tactics, but this might be the first time they've announced their agenda, in so many words, from the floor of Congress.

This is the America Republicans envision, the future they're working toward: Those who oppose them, will hang from a rope.


Helen & Harry Highwater



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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:50 PM
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1. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck...fuck..
that's all I have to say. Anything more will get me arrested, anything less will drive me insane.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:50 PM
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2. People like him are the real danger to America
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:57 PM
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3. Insight Magazine, the same one that floated the Obama/madrassa smear that CNN smacked down. n/t
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:57 PM
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4. nevermind
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 07:03 PM by Flabbergasted
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 06:58 PM
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5. Hell, I'm already hung
Ask my wife.

:)

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:21 PM
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13. Prove it - we're curious too...
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:22 PM
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6. Self Delete
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 07:50 PM by Turbineguy
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:26 PM
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7. Could you explain that?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:38 PM
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8. On reflection,
I can't explain it.

I think I lost my temper. My keyboard survived typing it.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:39 PM
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9. I could have sworn you meant something?
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:16 PM
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16. But...
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 11:16 PM by Turbineguy
isn't this the Bridge to Nowhere guy too?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 07:43 PM
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10. Ignorance is no excuse, but this guy is inexcusably ignorant.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 08:22 PM
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11. I'd like to jam a copy of the Bill of Rights down the Freeperzoid's throat
People like this guy are unfortunate losers.




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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:29 PM
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12. the people from his state that keep re-electing him....
...aren't too bright either.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:37 PM
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14. Y'know that new FOX TV show about 5th graders? This guy would be a great contestant
to make an a$$ of himself. Maybe we should all write the producers and suggest they recruit him!
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:11 PM
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15. They'd better have a LOT of rope since
something like 70% of Americans are against this war. What is that, about 220,000,000 Americans they would have to hang???

Good luck.
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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:01 AM
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17. Hmm--I wonder why Don Young hates America.
See, the way I recall it from the history classes I took at an urban public school back in the day as we used to say, uh, back in the day, without irony, the United States of America actually (er, what Washington, I think was the guy what coined it--was referred to as the Great Experiment, and Lincoln in some speech somewhere made some stuff up about it being a government of the People, For the People, by the People--whatever)started because the very concerned folks here felt they they as, at the time, British citizens were not being heard and not being allowed to have a say in their governance, and well--

Let's have it out--if they didn't win, it would've been treason. We are a nation born of what would've been treason if we lost. We just didn't.

Consider Patrick Henry: http://www.strike-the-root.com/3/smith/smith5.html

On May 20, a new member took his seat in Virginias House of Burgesses -- the fiery lawyer and orator, Patrick Henry. In getting elected, Henry had spent more than eight pounds sterling -- seven pounds to buy 28 gallons of rum, the rest to carry it to the polls.

Henry drafted five resolutions condemning the Stamp Act, then presented them to the House on May 29, coincidentally his 29th birthday. The older, more conservative members bristled. Who was this upstart and why was he trying to antagonize the ministry?

When Henry ended his speech saying that some good American would do to George III what Brutus had done to Caesar, Speaker John Robinson flew into a rage and accused him of treason.

If this be treason, Henry famously replied, make the most of it.



Ben Franklin, who I think would've been a moderate, really, at heart, because he was prudent and all, said, "We must all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." They knew the score, they just also knew that government has to be open and they weren't getting that, has to be representative and they were denied that, (wow--like, check out the Declaration of Independence and see the list of grievances--it's about how they weren't getting represented or heard) and to that end, once independence was gained, they made a thing we call a Constitution. And they did it because they wanted to rationally decide how to balance power in such a way that it wasn't concentrated in the hands of a frigging goober like George the III. They argued over whether a Bill of Rights would be a good idea--it got in. http://www.answers.com/topic/bill-of-rights-in-u-s-cons...

In short, we as a nation are supposed to be, were born into, are--entitled to, for the sake of Nature's God, it devolves upon us to be: revolutionaries. Thomas Jefferson said "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." In a nation so founded, can mere dissent--not collusion nor aid, not physical nor moral, but merely the right to disagree, really be treated as treasonous? Or is vigorous debate not merely a right, but a duty in a functioning democracy? And is it not also appropriate, in times of desperate national peril, the right of citizens to seek redress when the government does them wrong--it being their own government?

The right has made a parallel between the anti-war left of today with the Copperheads of Lincoln's time--but Damn, were any of them hanged? In a Union bitterly divided--would it have been profitable to exclude any and all who dissented--or was the better part to let Democracy do its job? (Horses did not change midstream--)(One may do well to understand this piece of our history by checking this excerpt: http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/suspension.htm in re--suspension of habeas corpus.)

The bottom line--to be American in the sense of a United States Citizen and heir to the rational conclusions regarding good government of our forefathers, and with the validation of our history, as a distinct and unique progressive nation (by which one totally means being at the forefront of the liberation for folks the world over--as we ought....to be.....alledgedly)is to be a constant burr in the side of authoritatians and totalitarians anywhere whatsoever including the backside of one Gee Dubya Bush. Rather than hanged, the majority now, of people who see this war as a vast error, should have the right to transparent government and seek an answer to why we ever were enmired here, to have our countrymen bear arms against Iraqis and spend our tax-dollars in this pursuit.

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