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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:32 PM
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Nobody's trying to beat you into submission!
Edited on Sat Feb-24-07 06:33 PM by Pushed To The Left
I want to clear up what looks like a very frequent misunderstanding here on DU. Many of us, myself included, believe that the right wing is dangerous enough to the country that we need to do whatever it takes to defeat them. We believe that not voting for the Democratic candidate will have the effect of helping the right wing! Here in California, we had a nasty Gubernatorial primary, and the result was that a relatively unpopular Republican breezed to an easy victory. People now complain about Schwarzenegger's policies, but how many of those people refused to vote for Angelides because he wasn't their first choice? When Democrats don't vote for the Democratic candidate, Republicans win.

When I or other like-minded posters bring up this point, other posters sometimes feel that they are being bullied, intimidated, or "beaten into submission". That is not our intention, and I'm sorry if it comes off that way. A good analogy would be if we saw somebody complaining about a headache, then banging themselves in the head with a hammer. We would inform them that hitting themselves in the head with a hammer is probably not helping their headache! I think that the vast majority of people here dislike the right wing and want to defeat them. I think that's the one thing just about all DUers have in common. What people like me are trying to say is that not voting for the Democratic candidate helps the right wing, and I don't think anybody here wants to help the right wing!
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:35 PM
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1. all right, all right, i get it already! you've made your point!
:evil grin:

and a good one actually! :hi:
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election_2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 06:50 PM
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2. You're forgetting....
Some of us live in solidly blue states (such as myself) that the Democratic nominee is all but guaranteed to carry, so we can afford to vote for another candidate if we have serious reservations about the person who receives the Democratic presidential nomination.

So my one itty-bitty little vote won't make-or-break Barack Obama's, John Edwards's, Hillary Clinton's, Bill Richardson's, or Wes Clark's chances of carrying California's 55 electoral votes. That will already be in the bag, for the General Election.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:05 PM
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3. That's almost the same as thinking.....
"my one itty-bitty little vote" won't count so why should I bother to vote. If enough people feel the way you do it could mean a victory for the Republican.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:13 PM
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4.  Voting For Candidates
The first question I ask someone who iscomplaining is if they
voted.  If they say no,  I inform them that I do not want to
hear them complaining. Because I feel they do not have a
right to complain if they did not vote.  The second question
is who did you vote for.  If you decided to vote for someone
who is not a Dem.  Then you do not have a right to complain. 
Normally they will say I got your point.  Because if they
would have voted for a dem and he did not win.   Then and
only then do you have a right to complain about something a
repug did.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 07:51 PM
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5. Some DUers, IMO, God bless 'em, enjoy claiming that they're being bullied, intimidated...
or beaten into submission. I tried a post like this once, and, boy-hidee, did I get flamed. (So far, I'm happy to see, you're unscathed.)

If you want to really have some fun, try a post arguing that our site might be taken more seriously by more kinds of people if they thought twice before they used profanity in subject lines (long ago, this was against DU rules). Imagine Huff Post, or Kos, with the f-word, for example, as heavily used as here. If you think some DUers get upset being advised not to commit political suicide by voting third party, try suggesting something that MIGHT serve our greater cause, but would "censor" them, to use their word, even on a completely voluntary basis!

Victimization has an appeal to some folks, I think, and I'm talking here, in large part, about my experience outside DU.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 09:20 PM
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6. Also, California is going to get a well deserved screw up the...
rear end via Ahhnuld's "healthcare sham plan" because of this. Phil is a good man and would have done great things for California.
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Bronyraurus Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:11 PM
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7. I agree at different times with all points in this debate
First, I generally agree that one should vote for the Democratic nominee no matter what.

On the other hand, there have been times when I have refused to vote for the Democratic nominee because I hated them... but not in elections when it mattered. I voted for Martin Scorsese instead.
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Codeblue Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-24-07 10:17 PM
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8. Honestly,
I think it's ridiculous to vote strictly in part lines. Vote for the Democrat no matter what. Ridiculous in my opinion. I think the GOP should be defeated at almost any cost, but I also don't want to vote for a Democrat that isn't going to do anything about the current situation. If that happens, then we might as well have voted for the GOP candidate.

And there are some Dems like that out there. They don't plan on making any significant changes. I will not be voting for them....ever.
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