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Professor Hoodoo Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:03 PM
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Why are you afraid of Dean? Dean is the BEST thing since sliced bread...
He can transform the Democratic Party and pull away from the establishment Democrats that has been in Washington far too long to care about the people. Kerry has been in this system for far too long, and wouldn't know what to do politically and try to make things right.

Dean has been one of the top Democrats, and has the balls to work with both sides of the parties and get things accomplished. When Vermont Supreme Court handed down the gay marriage situation, Dean made a compromise and enacted the civil unions law. Yes, Dean's decision was unpopular, but he still went from 35% in the polls to winning another term for Vermont.

He has provided the heath care for 96% of the Vermont children, with 3% still eligible. His Success by Six program has prevented child abuse, and what's more, he cares.

Let's review on what Kerry has sponsored and fought for...

Title: A bill to provide for the liquidation or reliquidation of certain entries of tomato sauce preparation.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d107:1:./temp/~bdtupZ:@@@L&summ2=m&|/bss/d107query.html|

(Ooh, something for his wife's company... hmmm)

Otherwise, Kerry has just let other people sponsor and just rode the backs of people who has worked hard and claims to have "led the fight" into this...

So, again, I ask everyone here (except for the Dean supporters) -- why are you afraid of Dean -- is it because of his bluntness? His consistency? Lack of waffling? What? I'd really like to know.

Keep on jazzin'

PH
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:10 PM
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1. I'm not afraid of Dean...
I just think he's a centrist, opportunistic politician.

And lack of waffling?

What was his position on taking public financing for campaigns last year? What is it now?

Would he have supported the Biden/Luger war resolution?

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Professor Hoodoo Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:16 PM
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2. To answer your question..
What was his position on taking public financing for campaigns last year? What is it now?

His campaign IS campaign finance reform. The only reason he chose to opt out is because he did ask his supporters first if opting out of the CFR was a good idea or not -- turned out it IS the right decision, and a lot of people still poured in money. About 22% of his donors is maxed out, and with plenty more to pour in. Kerry on the other hand, has about 77% of his supporters maxed out, and has loaned himself money to keep his campaign going..

Would he have supported the Biden/Luger war resolution?

Was he a Senator or Congressman? That issue is irrelevant. More importantly, Dean wanted to give the inspector the leeway and time to look for the WMDs -- so far to date, the WMD's has not been found, and proven Dean correct EVERY time. The Kay report has totally vindicated Dean, but not Kerry -- he voted for the unjust war, and thusly, could very well be held responsible for this war. He still hasn't apologized for the war, and totally waffled in this issue.

Now, you tell me more. Why are you afraid of Dean? He isn't an opportunist -- he's a pragmitist -- and Kerry is the opportunist one.

Keep on jazzin'

PH

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:19 PM
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3. He stated support for the Biden-Lugar resolution
as Kerry supporters are so fond of pointing out. Of course, they like to downplay the fact that the ACLU praised the Biden-Lugar resolution as a far better alternative to the IWR. See your sigline.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:21 PM
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4. It goes far, far too deep(the system)
You can't change the system overnight.

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:23 PM
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5. I used to be afraid of Dean
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 03:23 PM by John_H
because he couldn't beat Chimp if he had a billion dollar war chest.

Now that he is on toast-o-matic I just think Dean is a pathetic cartoon of himself.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:26 PM
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6. why are you afraid of Kucinich
I mean, you must be because you don't support him.

Or wait, that logic doesn't make any sense.

go DK~!
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:31 PM
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7. Dean's approach to the Bill of Rights is terrifying
I'm opposed to tyranny.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:32 PM
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8. You had your ridiculous slap at John Kerry. Here's a lob back at Dean
From the Center for Public Inteegrity:
http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=132

While governor, Howard Dean pushed for utility contract provisions that aided the power companies, but cost Vermont families millions of dollars in skyrocketing rates. Vermont has the sixth highest utility rates in the country, due in part to a series of long-term contracts between its major power companies.

After years of pushing for Central Vermont Public Service Corp. and the smaller utilities it held to absorb the excess costs of their expensive contracts, Dean's Department of Public Service agreed to let ratepayers be billed for more than 90 percent of the excess costs—which could soar into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Central Vermont Public Service Corp. donated more than $10,000 to

Dean's Fund for a Healthy America PAC—a hefty contribution in a state that limits campaign contributions for statewide offices to $400.


___________________________________________________________________

From The League of Women Voters of South Carolina:


Special interests pour billions of dollars into political campaigns:


"Some incumbents have generally not favored leveling the playing field toward a more genuine representative democracy – especially so for Democrats trying to prevent the challenge of third-party candidates.

Vermont’s Governor Dean and Massachusetts’ House Speaker Finneran each devised transparent strategies to strip designated funds from their state’s campaign finance program.

Governor Dean successfully convinced the legislature that while the law’s contribution caps were awaiting resolution in court, the fund itself should be sacrificed to the lean budget year. Therein, candidates for Lt. Governor and Governor are back to gathering record contributions. Substantial momentum continues for upgrading Vermont’s Clean Elections law. "

http://www.lwvsc.org/Pages/Newsletters/Aug02/0802_10.htm



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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:33 PM
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9. You are right, I am afraid of..
Afraid of keeping NAFTA and the WTO.

Afraid of continuing the illegal occuapation of Iraq and losing more human life there.

Afraid of leaving the profit in Healthcare and leaving millions uncovered.

Afraid of the continued war on drugs.

Afraid of keeping the US military budget equal to the next 25 nations combined.

Afraid of letting the Patriot Act continue to exist.

*****************

Yes I am afraid, that is why I am supporting Dennis Kucinich over Dean, Kerry etc.

:shrug:

TWL

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