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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 10:43 PM
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Bloody hands pointing bloody fingers - the cowards' blaming circle- make it stop!
Edited on Sun Feb-04-07 10:46 PM by The Count
Kerry blames Clinton, Edwards blames Clinton, at least Hillary blames Bush....
Edwards sponsored the IWR, kerry said he would have voted for it even knowing there were no WMD, Hillary said she did it to protect us....
In the end, they all let people die needlessly to further their own career.
None of them should be rewarded with our votes.
And, please stop this "my candidate's shit stinks less than your candidate's shit" threads! It's embarrassing.
We have some good people running - that showed good judgment and integrity on this. Some may yet to join the race.
Why do we need to wallow in the dirt of these small people? Why support any of them?
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:04 PM
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1. Out Damn Spot
Seems some Repugs are having the same problem judging by Scarborough's latest rant.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:26 PM
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2. Kerry never blamed Clinton - Kerry blamed Bush for rushing to war when weapon inspections proved
force was not needed. He was sorry that he trusted Bush to implement the IWR.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:08 AM
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4. No, YOU blamed Clinton for him.
That's why you're here after all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:16 AM
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6. You don't know my postings before I read Clinton's book, or you wouldn't say something
so ill-informed. But then, maybe you would just because you just can't help yourself.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:40 AM
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7. Your postings actually changed after kerry dropped out. All energy channeled to prop him
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 08:42 AM by The Count
suddenly shifted in tearing down Clinton.
Now I know that Kerry was directly instrumental in getting my candidate, Gore to drop in 2002. He also made deals with the media that led to my other candidate being totally blacked out. He didn't fight for my vote in 2004 - because it may tarnish his personal image - and to the last minute he said "I came close" instead of "we actually did get the most votes". All this and I didn't even touch the war. And you don't see me start thread after thread against him. Although I will occasionally answer you. Hoping this will give you some perspective.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:09 PM
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8. No - they didn't. They ramped up a notch, but am I supposed to be quiet
and accept when I hear that Carville told Matalin about the provisional ballots challenge in Ohio on election night? When we know Carville knew WH outed Plame but let Wilson be smeared as a liar throughout 2003-4 to protect WH and his wife?

Am I suppose to ignore the Libby testimony where Matt Cooper says Rove told him when we all KNEW Rove did it back in 2003 and so did Cooper's WIFE - Mandy Grunwald - another Dem strategist CLOSELY working with the Clintons for the last 15 years?

I should smile through the Libby testimony that brings up the same connections I've been pointing out for years here at DU?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Sorry, but there has been way too much to come out in the last 6 months about the Clintons and their thugs and their machinations of the party and that should have been made OBVIOUS by the attempted takedown of Dean in November and Hillary's joining McCain and Bush to scold Kerry - completely validating a RW LIE that she KNEW was a RW lie.

How much is not enough for you?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:03 PM
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12. whaaaaaaaa!!!
The Count is dead-on correct.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:01 PM
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11. Agree, Count.. blm has been a destructive operative to the Demo Party
as any Neocon in the book.. I could care less her SO works in a newsroom.. BFD!
Who cares! And I dismiss altogether anything she supports because she has been proven a liar time after time.
Her words mean SQUAT!

She has done unconscionable damage to the way things are done on this board.

She is gravely responsible for Kerry's failure to reorganize for a genuine presidential bid.
He believed her lies and was completely misled by her pedantic obsession with corruption.

Theres a word for that sickness, some type of phobia..or ism.. ???
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 03:41 PM
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18. Let us know when the shuttle lands.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:43 PM
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19. Wait wait wait - Kerry made media deals to black out a candidate - WTF?
Kerry was fighting throughout the primary to get media attention for his campaign. Corpmedia REDUCED his coverage after he submitted a senate resolution against their interests.

They declared his campaign dead all throughout the fall so his donations dried up. He had to FIGHT for every second of airtime, and the corpmedia wouldn't even cover his endorsement from Firefighters. Sorry, but there is no way on earth that Kerry blocked any candidate from getting media coverage. The media had a target drawn on him since June 2003.

Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"

Commission Decision May Violate Laws Protecting Small Businesses; Kerry to File Resolution of Disapproval

Monday, June 2, 2003

WASHINGTON - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.
Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."


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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-04-07 11:31 PM
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3. While Im not extremely pleased with any of them ....
NOT voting for the probable Democratic party nominee is hardly a practical solution ....

Hey ... It's YOUR vote .... but believe me: I WILL be voting, and I WILL be voting for the opponent against the GOP with the most likely chance of winning .....

It can be Obama, Hillary, Edwards, Clark, Vilsack, Kerry ...... whatever ....

I appreciate your passion, but such a dogmatic stance, while honest to your core, wont thwart the GOP ....

DONT count me in ....
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:10 AM
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5. I agree, Count --- in the primary.
I am hopeful either Gore, Obama, or General Clark make the cut and go to the show.

I stand with you 100% on this, Count.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:42 PM
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9. What if one of them wins the nomination?
:shrug:

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:04 PM
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13. K&R
need a few more R's..people?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:12 PM
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15. I keep getting this.
Error: You've already recommended that thread.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:49 PM
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20. "What if one of them wins the nomination?"
I don't see that as a "what if" at all; one of them is going to win the nomination, and what it really points to is a deep sickness in this country.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:11 PM
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14. My own personal view is....
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:13 PM by Kerry2008
I don't disqualify candidates who voted for the war, and gave the President the authorization to use force. I will disqualify them if they haven't given geniune apologies on that vote, and haven't showed the kinda leadership to end this tragic war needed from them as there moral obligation as people who voted for this.

Now candidates like Obama, Clark, and Gore they have a huge advantage. They don't have to defend themselves amongst attacks they aren't anti-war enough for the anti-war crowd because they've been against this since day one. Hillary seems like the person whom will get the toughest criticism on the IWR because she not only voted for it, but also remained mostly silent up until she ran for President on ending this war and doing her moral obligation as Senator of the state of New York to speak up and speak out against this war.

I will support any candidate we nominate as long as they are realistic about this war, and understand it isn't winable and a total failure. They must stand up, and say it's wrong and needs to be ended. And for those who voted for the authorization, they have a moral obligation to do so!

I understand a lot of people see voting as lesser of two evils, and I say to those who are considering sitting 2008 out...We can't afford eight more years of Republican 'leadership'
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:33 PM
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17. The point of it all is..
At the time, and that is a very relevant word...TIME! Bush had spoken to the people in his SOTU Address with threatening words stating our country was in peril of being attacked by WMDs. That Saddam had to be removed because he was considered a threat to the US. Everyone went along with it.. People are forgetting, we ALL took the President at his word..

But for your consideration, Hillary IS right. None of the Senators voting for War had any reason to distrust Bush. I, personally do not hold anyone who voted for the War responsible for the mess we're in now. The only person I hold responsible is Bush. It's that simple, he lied and took us all down the garden path. He not only duped the People and Congress, he duped our allies and the World with distortion and lies as a means to his own end. TIME has borne out his true intentions, a Resource War for OIL and the shredding of our Constitution.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:17 PM
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16. And you wonder why smart people wait to declare for the presidency?
Why get smeared by your own party from now until the primary? The fall is soon enough to declare.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:51 PM
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21. You are wrong...
Provide me any evidence to back up your assertion that 28 Senate Democrats voted for the IWR for political reasons, knowing that it would result in the death of thousands of American soldiers...

Yours is the catch-all criticism of politicians anyone can make without evidence, and have 90% of the people sing hallelujah...and frankly it's a load of BS

George Bush is solely responsible for this war...direct your outrage at him!
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