I will ONLY vote for Obama, primary or general.

[LoZoccolo]

Obama is the only one who smokes. All the others could take away my right to smoke and not even blink about it. Look at what the DLC has handed us in the past:

Bill Clinton: does not smoke

Al Gore: does not smoke, says smokes are causing greenhouse cases

Joe Lieberman: against smoke (notice all the other candidates are exactly the same as Lieberman on this point, who is exactly the same as the Republicans on 90% of the issues)

John Kerry: does not smoke, smoked marijuana but QUIT

I will not vote for smoke bigots. Period. I wills tand up for my rights. I will not be silenced or pushed aside to gain the majority who are offended by smoke.

Smoke while you are doing it.

[illinoisprogressive]

1. lol

[JanMichael]

2. This is a joke, right?

Right?

Edit: It late and DU is full of idiots lately so I'm never sure if someone is being facetious.

[LoZoccolo]

3. Did not Chicago pass recently a smoking ban?

Did not they pass a fois gras ban after that?

Did they not put cameras up to film street corders?

Did they not put up peoples pictures for getting arrested for pristitution solicitation, not convicted byt just arrested, on the world wide web network without being conviceted of a crime?

First they came for the smokers...

[JanMichael]

7. Fois gras is barbaric.

In Michael's world you'd be in a zoo.

[LoZoccolo]

10. So now we are culturally biased against the barbarics?

Ethnocentrism, look it up in the deictionary, read a book.

[ima_sinnic]

11. yeah, I happen to hate animal abusers, is that all right with you?

or should we give them a free pass because--well, because in your world, apparently everybody should be free to do whatever they want no matter how cruel.

[LoZoccolo]

15. hate is such a strong word

Lqast time I checked, the progressives were against HATE.

[JanMichael]

17. zoo.

zoo.

[ima_sinnic]

29. oh, and you know this, how?

have you "passed" as a progressive?

[JanMichael]

16. Learn to spell and I might care.

Unless of curse thet wus un antensional mitct!

[LoZoccolo]

19. the SAT test is cultural bigotry did you know that?

Still want to chide me for "words"?

[JanMichael]

20. Sew es the ACTea

Give it op!

Edit: What I'm saying by mocking is that barbaric treatment of animals is not the same as the cultural bias of standardized test. i agree that the SAT and ACT are biased, the whole economy is Racist, that's not what we're talking about however:-)

[LoZoccolo]

22. Some of us hare here for PROGRESSIVE ACTIVISM

not just words and talk

[JanMichael]

24. I was in DC last week, in 2005 and 2003.

Tampa in 2003 (The Southern AF Command) and Sarasota (3,000 in downtown) in 2003.

I work in affordable housing, homelessness prevention, and have assisted Katrina evacuees.

Bite me.

Edit: Is that "activist" enough for you or should I go to Gitmo? Also is it "progressive" enough? I should add that I co-hosted the Guy James Show too in 2003-2004. Again, is that active enough?

[LoZoccolo]

26. Do you mock the spelling of homeless people?

Way to give eth encouragement oiut.

Some people might have so many words to say that they dont have time to go back and correct minor mistakes, there time is so valuable. its been said that Bill gates could drop $10000 on the ground and it would not be worth his time to pick it up because he could be doing something more valuable than that in the time that it takes to pick it up. You have nto considered that I might be like that but withwords and spelling.

[JanMichael]

27. Way off the main point.

And I can't mock the "homeless" if I don't know someone is homeless and mock them because of their belligerence.

Again fois gras is barbaric.

Edit: I should add that the majority of homeless are not illiterate the are simply (The result of a shitty capitalist system I'd like to add) just having economic problems. They are probably not concerned with fois gras:-)

[ima_sinnic]

28. yeah, like making the world safe for smokers and animal abusers

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[salin]

8. Joke or not...

I have to say... "HI!" and please passed on my hello and wishes for all being well to Stephanie. (of course the wishes for all being well go to you, as well.)

[JanMichael]

9. She's asleep so I must type silently...

...thanks and i hope you are well too!

[salin]

23. So considerate...

though I have to wonder about the talent it would take to "Type Loudly"? ;-) Your line gave me a chuckle. Then again, I live alone so I really don't have a concept of typing loudly or silently in order to let the loved one sleep in peace.

Wait - I get it - you can't scream while typing when reading some of the inanity that pops up on DU. That is a nice freedom (to scream at the monitor).

[ima_sinnic]

4. yeah, I care SOOO much about your #1 priority in life, to kill yrself

--your right to smoke, to pollute the air around you, should be everybody's main concern, not the suffering and mayhem going on Iraq, not global warming, not outsourcing or illegal immigration or creeping xtianism or corporate greed or any one of thousands of other less important issues, but The issue of today: who would be least likely to prevent you from getting cheap cigarettes and smoking them freely.

[LoZoccolo]

6. wearing suits of earth tones

Your Gore should have learned that tobacco came from the EARTH of the ground.

[tkmorris]

33. So does Belladonna

Is there some point you are making that I am missing?

[LoZoccolo]

39. Who are you talking about?

Stevie Nicks?

[Kathryn STone]

5. as far as I knew smoking is still legal, right?

personally I am glad he's not some goody 2 shoes.
I quit for 10 yrs then I have a puff from time to time.
It's like they want to tatto your arm if you smoke (sorry for the heavy analogy)

[BlueCaliDem]

70. Barely. Some States want to ban smoking in cars...in public...

Being that I stopped smoking on November 28, 2006 (just two months ago) after having puffed for 27 years (was 17 but in Europe, smoking was a right of passage into adulthood in the late 70's!), I'm really not affected by any ban, any more, yet I still think it's against all I believe is sacred to "censure" anyone's right to a smoke.

I'm also against the making illegal of marijuana--an herb that hasn't hurt a soul, unlike alcohol, and tar and nicotine.

I just think we, as a so-called "intelligent species", with our greatest "weapon" being our brain, should use that god-given gift, and instead of forcing our will on our fellow man/woman, we should rather opt to educate and explain why people shouldn't smoke, or shouldn't smoke while driving, or shouldn't smoke around children, for example.

As for my having stopped with smoking and having suffered ZERO craving attacks since---look up "Glutothione Pleolyposome", a sweet substance that has proven to detoxify the blood, and lungs of cancer, according to a 10 year study.

Using glutothione pleolyposome to kick my strong nicotine habit without suffering even a minute of cravings was the best discovery I've ever made.

[Double T]

12. Nothing like a hardcore single issue voter who will ONLY vote for......

a single candidate; fortunately THEY are a rare breed.

[LoZoccolo]

13. My vote is my vote.

It has to be EARNED.

Like the dude from silver Spoons who was on the commercials yoused to say: we eaaaarn it.

[Double T]

25. Yeah, BUT in the commercial HE said "We do it the OLD FASHION WAY.......

etc." Haven't 'WE' had ENOUGH of doing things the old fashioned way?? Keep on smoking and keep on voting until THEY make either one or BOTH illegal.

[ima_sinnic]

14. and for such noble reasons ...

[NV1962]

18. LOL - I like that attitude

Death to non-smokers! And all that passionate jazz...

Not sure I'd relinquish the right to vote in exchange for a mere statement of claiming the right to self-destruct, though.

Plus, being a non-smoker doesn't equate being a smokenazi. No, really. So, I think you might rally more understanding if you'd somehow tweak that wee bit of distinction into your discourse.

I'm just sayin'...

[Ninja Jordan]

21. Bill Hicks is that you?

[zulchzulu]

30. Photoshop made me do it...

Hey, I used to smoke...whatever....

[EllenZ]

31. Single issue to decide it all?

And you pick a young first term senator that hardly anyone has heard of until recently. And who has little or no experience in international politics.

How about Wes Clark who was first in his class at West Point, was a Rhodes Scholar, spent 33 years in service to our country in the military, has plenty of international experience as commander of NATO, and I could go on and on about his qualifications.

[LoZoccolo]

32. Or pick a candidate who smokes.

I wonder if Wes Clark let anyone somek in combat?

doubtedly.

[NV1962]

36. The General MADE the bad guys smoke...

Ka-BOOM! :D

[Irreverend IX]

35. If you think the OP was in the least serious...

You need to get your Irony-Meter checked. I think he might be drunk, too...

[fujiyama]

34. I gotta say

I like your avatar!

[NoPasaran]

37. Breaking: Chavez to use dictatorial powers

Breaking: Chavez to use dictatorial powers to ban smoking in Venezuela.

[Sparkly]

38. Hah!

:thumbsup:

[PresidentObama]

40. Are you joking me?

Lets decide our President off of who will give you the right to murder yourself slowly and expensively. FYI, I don't think any President will and could take away your cigarettes.

I've heard of taking away guns, but not peoples smokes. And I've heard of voting for someone you could imagine having a beer with, but not who you could smoke with.

Both examples (guns and who you could down a beer with) gave us *

:crazy: Only in America!!

[LoZoccolo]

41. My vote

has to be earned.

its mine.

[PresidentObama]

42. That it is.

If you choose to waste it on one issue that won't be effected that much by whose President, go ahead.

I just think in this time of war, with healthcare crumbling, and other problems...cigarettes isn't an important issue.

Especially since NO President will probably be successful in removing your precious smokes in the near future.

Hey, I'm all for you being able to smoke. I allowed my grandpa to do it, and now he's on his death bed dying a slow and painful death. Exercise your rights, I won't stop you.

[Auntie Bush]

43. So are you saying your right to smoke is your most important issue?

I assume you're being fetishes. Right?

[LoZoccolo]

44. No, i ma not being fascistic.

I am standing for freedom and the right to express my vote as I choose

[PresidentObama]

45. But you make no sense.

Name one Presidential candidate that has openly stated in their platform they will end the sale of cigarettes?

No President will end smoking, and thats why everyone thinks you're crazy. Not because you want to smoke, hey no problem. SMOKE!!

:smoke: I haven't smoked on a regular basis since briefly after the 04' election. HEY, I needed it!!

[LoZoccolo]

46. its about trust and past actions

Obama I know whont ban cigarettes

Hillary does not smoke and her husband quite smokeing cigars all of a sudden during his second term for no reason

Clark is an army guy and probably things that smoking will make you out of shape

Gore as I said things smoking will cause greenhouse cases

Edwards has a history of suing people for their products - one of those companies that makes products is the tobaco companies who had to settle with the governmant because the governmant wouldnt believe the tobaco comapanies.

i think I have a right to vote for who I fovte for.

[PresidentObama]

48. You make no sense, again.

What if Obama wins the election, alright? Lets say he quits smoking before re-election. He goes out on the stump and says smoking is bad and he doesn't like it. Are you going to vote against him for re-election?

Of course not, I would hope!!

Your logic is missing. The President just can't wake up in the morning, and ban smoking. He just can't. And no Presidential candidate supports banning it, and will ban it. Not in this generation anyway.

Vote for who ever you want. But know your logic is lacking at best, and quite laughable.

[LoZoccolo]

49. yes I would

as I recall I can put my name next to anyones name on the ballot

[PresidentObama]

51. Perhaps you aren't listening.

You sure can vote for whomever you like, like I've said over and over in this thread.

But the logic in it is quite laughable.

[LoZoccolo]

47. also you Don't need to tell me to smoke

I do not smoke; i am defendingmy right to.

[PresidentObama]

50. This is just insane.

So you are saying you aren't going to support any candidate but Obama because he smokes, and won't take away your right to smoke. Yet no other candidate is running on the platform of banning smoke, and the President has no authority to just ban smoking. And yet YOU DON'T SMOKE??

:rofl: ONLY...IN...AMERICA PEOPLE!!

[LoZoccolo]

52. Yes only in america

is the vote so valuable as in America. In other countries variaos third parties have lobbied for the soft wstance of hainving instanct runoff voting so people can vote for eho they want first and then who is goint to win sicond, so the second parties win the elections and the third get to think they might win and never do.

HERE if you lose my vote, as the democrats will if they nominate who doesn't smoke, you lose it, you do notget a second chance at it

that is a More powerful statement IMO

[PresidentObama]

53. So let me get this straight.

You want only smokers in the White House so they don't take away your right to smoke? EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T SMOKE?!?!?

I guess you supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 as the former drunk, wouldn't want to take away your right to get ass faced.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

54. no no no no i Did not vote for Bush

I would never do that, and I was against the war that is being fout now in Iraq, but it is about the fereedom to smoke and evn though I want thi troops to come home, i at leaset know that while they are there gthey are fighting for smoke, just in the fidderent country

[PresidentObama]

55. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Wes Clark.....

The list goes on and on of our Democratic candidates...

They will not take your right to smoke away. None of them are running on the platform to do so, and no President in recent memory has tried to do so. And why are you so concerned? You said you don't even smoke. Do you realize the President doesn't have the authority to just ban smoking?

If you don't support Bush, then you refuse to apply your same logic with smoking to drinking. Why aren't you supporting Bush because he's the former drunk and won't take away your right to drink. Saying you will support ONLY Obama because you seem for sure he won't ban smoking and cigarettes is logic less.

Vote for whomever you like, when ever you like. It's America, you have the right.

But I must say your case for why you will vote the way you will is weak, and hilarious in that it lacks logic and makes no sense.

[Crunchy Frog]

60. the word is "facetious".

[Auntie Bush]

63. Sorry, I meant facetious. The spell checker made me do it. Hee, hee!

[Arugula Latte]

56. *sigh* n/t

[PresidentObama]

57. Oregonian, whats on your mind?

How is your Friday?

I guess I'm off topic, but I wanted to apply some logic to this thread :evilgrin:

[Arugula Latte]

64. Hi Kerry2008,

Thanks for asking. I'm kind of tired, but I've got to get my act together because we have friends coming for dinner.

Yes...Logic. Reason. Rationality. Those are nice things, aren't they? Nice things to have when considering who to vote for...Hmmmm...

:hi:

[PresidentObama]

65. Friends for dinner. Lucky you!

I'm jealous.

:hi:

[fuzzyball]

58. Will you change if Edwards or HRC takes up smoking?

Might help them withstand the stress of campaign.

[LoZoccolo]

59. no, they aready voted on no smoking

there's no Changin the FREEDOM gone

[Crunchy Frog]

61. Alright.

But I'm going to have to put you on Super Duper Ignore, and block, until the end of the election season. ;)

[crispini]

62. LoZo, you've been PUI'ing again, haven't you?

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

67. actually not drink and not even PWSing

which is Posting while Smoking

[cascadiance]

66. I worry more about Obama with the DLC than Gore...

Gore WAS a part of the DLC earlier, but he's pretty much broken away from them now! In some respects I trust him moreso having gone through that experience, because I think he knows what kind of influences they try to wield over politicians.

Obama still is an unknown quantity yet for me. He has the right charisma, which is good and doesn't knock him out, but I still am concerned about the substance of his voting record, and also that he's getting pushed so hard right now by the media, etc. I'd like to find who's funding the various campaigns of the current candidates now to get a clue as to what some of the hidden agendas might be.

[mark414]

68. does Obama like Oasis?

if no then i won't vote for him...

[emulatorloo]

69. LOL n/t

[censorshipsux]

71. You should be free to smoke if you want. But of course this country is so full of fascists ....

that they are even taking that right away. Or taxing the hell out of smokers.

Why don't they make corporate lobbying illegal. Smoking is the least of our problems. But fascists will be fascists.