Daily Kos January Straw Poll ... 22,564 responses

[snowbear]

Wow! Polls conducted by Democratic sites.. ...sure differ from what the media feeds us.

Poll
Who is your favorite potential 2008 candidate from the list below?

John Edwards
35% 7998 votes

Barack Obama
27% 6290 votes

Wesley Clark
17% 3866 votes

Bill Richardson
5% 1337 votes

Dennis Kucinich
5% 1158 votes

Hillary Clinton
4% 969 votes

Joe Biden
1% 256 votes

John Kerry
1% 234 votes

Tom Vilsack
0% 201 votes

Chris Dodd
0% 183 votes

Mike Gravel
0% 72 votes





| 22564 votes | Results

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/16/105611/138

[AJH032]

1. internet polls are the least reliable polls

if someone wants, they could vote 1000 times.

[snowbear]

2. I don't think at Kos' site you can vote more than once..

Or at least you when I was a member there.. they made that clear - one registration, one vote.

Personally. I think it would at least be more reliable from some idiots calling Rethugs asking them who they want, then airing the bogus results on CNN.. No one here ever seems to get called.

[MH1]

13. Not true - a person can vote while not signed in - as often as they want.

Which makes his poll UTTERLY meaningless, except for the impression it leaves with readers.

Kos could VERY EASILY make the poll require a person to be logged in before voting. However, he has not done that. I wonder why?

Hmmm...

(insert cute head scratching graphic here...)


Edited to clarify subject line.

[lvx35]

3. Not if they do it right.

A good Internet poll sets "cookies" and watches for suspicious patterns from certain addresses.

[snowbear]

5. Yep... and actually....

I did a little investigating tonight..

Do you know who seems to be the favored and less-favored candidates over at Smirking Chimp (much smaller site than DU, or Kos.. with roughly 40K+ members last I heard..)

A good deal of the membership there seem to be favoring Edwards -- and even though that site isn't really like this one (it is, but it isn't)... they seem to have the same situation we have. A majority of those who aren't supporting Hillary in the primary, but will vote for whoever our nominee winds up being..

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/

I'm trying to figure out WHERE the MSM gets the poll numbers they release when you don't see it out here in the world of netroots...

[JNelson6563]

7. Such has been done

I remember some site that busted a certain group of supporters Freeping a vote. It was hilarious to see the fall-out from that. I see from recent polls that either this group is slipping in their efforts of it's not as easy to pack these polls as it once was.

Julie

[KKKarl is an idiot]

11. I don't the poll method here matters much

The people who visit DU, KOS etc. are not your everyday MSM faithful who hang of every word they say. These people like you & I are well informed about politics. We come to DU because we want to keep up with politics. So the poll is a good reflection of what we have seen here & at other Democratic sites. Most of us here do not think that Hilary will be our best candidate. We do not hate her, but we know she carries to much baggage. Where as with Edwards we see a person who has matured, has some great ideas & may break the hold on the Red States the Republicans have if Guilliani runs against him because he is a Southerner.

[MH1]

14. It matters if it is freepable, which it is. n/t

[papau]

4. an opt in internet poll with 4xe-4 of the 60 million Dem votes expected

4xe-4 is 4/10,000 of the vote

or .0004

without a statistical basis - and opt in polls have no statistical basis - we are missing

99.96% of the Democratic opinion.

A DU poll with 10 responses is only a little less informative.

[snowbear]

6. And a DU poll with 10 responses....

...is often 7 responses and 3.. lurking freeps...

You know the kind. The drop in, skew the poll, then flee like bats outta hell.

... (( ))

[papau]

10. LOL - very true!

:-)

[wyldwolf]

8. Yeah, "Democratic site" internet polls are reaaal reliable

For example, in 2004 Howard Dean finished first in the MoveOn primary. Number Two wasn't John Kerry or John Edwards -- it was Dennis Kucinich

[NewYorkerfromMass]

9. Dean was the big kos winner 4 years ago

and you see how that figured in the final analysis.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Only because too many people bought into that bogus M$M smear campaign

Let's not let the corporate M$M pick our nominee this time? :shrug:

[rinsd]

15. The Kos people didn't buy into it.

Its just proof that during 2004 the opinion of a dedicated group of Democrats on the web did not match Democrats at large.