HILLARY Comes Out Swinging!

[Tellurian]

Hillary runs for the White House as the ‘new Thatcher’


HILLARY CLINTON is to be presented as America’s Margaret Thatcher as she tries to become the first woman to win the White House. As she entered the 2008 presidential race yesterday, a senior adviser said that her campaign would emphasise security, defence and personal strengths reminiscent of the Iron Lady.

“Their policies are totally different but they are both perceived as very tough,” said Terry McAuliffe, Clinton’s campaign chairman. “She is strong on foreign policy. People have got to know you are going to keep them safe.”

It made the New York senator the instant frontrunner for the Democratic nomination. “She has the name recognition, the money, the glitz, she’s got it all,” McAuliffe said.

McAuliffe predicted a rough campaign. “She is going to fight for herself and she is going to have people around her who will fight,” he said.

“They are going to play mean, nasty and dirty on the other side. You don’t walk into a knife fight without adequate gloves.” The Clinton campaign intends to paint the Republican nominee as President George W Bush’s political heir, particularly over the war in Iraq. Clinton said she would talk to voters about “how to bring the right end to the war in Iraq and restore respect for America around the world”.

Clinton faces strong competition from Barack Obama, the charismatic but inexperienced 45-year-old Illinois senator. The race is already being billed “the magic v the machine”.

http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesonline.co.uk%2Farticle%2F0%2C%2C2089-2558085%2C00.html

[Clark2008]

1. Umm.. wasn't Margaret Thatcher a CONSERVATIVE?

I think that's what has a lot of people upset with Hillary.

[SaveElmer]

4. I think it is pretty clear they meant in style...

Not in substance...

[Tellurian]

5. ...this is a whole new ballgame..

with a Dem Congress..

Bill didn't have that luxury..

We'll see. You should read the entire article, Clark2008

[Toots]

54. Ahh but he did for the first two years

And the Congress would not support him. IMO it is the main reason they were given the boot. Clinton would have given us National health Care but for the Democratic controlled Congress. They fought him on most issues... and They lost "Big Time". Clinton left office with a high approval rating, Congress was thrown out on their ass.

[DU9598]

7. Perhaps you missed this quote ...

“Their policies are totally different but they are both perceived as very tough,” said Terry McAuliffe

[Clark2008]

17. I didn't miss the quote - I just considered the source.

LOL!

[Tellurian]

19. The source is UK TIMES online

rawstory just picked it up..

[Clark2008]

36. No - I meant Terry MacAwful.

Not the Times Online. They merely quote Terry MacAwful.

I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. I don't trust what HE would have to say. I don't know enough about the Times Online to make a value judgment regarding them, but someone down-thread said they are a conservative newspaper, so they probably wouldn't carry much weight with me, either.

[rodeodance]

30. Brit Hume described her as 'cold' today----

[DU9598]

32. Well excuse me then ...

Perhaps next time I won't consider your inaccuracies to be inaccuracies, just selective ignorance.

[Clark2008]

37. I don't think you understood my point at all.

I was dissing Terry Mcauliffe, not the Times Online. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

Perhaps next time you'll read who is making the quotes and will fully understand my joke. :eyes:

[DU9598]

38. No, I did understand

And I made my statement of what I think of your "joke". Your comments reflect poorly on a great man to whom you apparently represent on here. I am sorry you do not support Mr. McAuliffe, but not a concern of mine. I was simply pointing out your oversight in the intial article.

[Clark2008]

40. It wasn't an oversight... SIGH.

I was merely saying that I don't give a hoot WHAT Terry AcAuliffe says.

Just, nevermind. People are so touchy around here these days.

And, I'll stick to my main point: many people DO find Hillary Clinton too conservative for their tastes, especially around here.

[DU9598]

45. Humm

To each his own ... But, you are right, people are awfully touchy around here when you point out that they either misquote or ignore the point someone else has made.

Funny, someone support General Clark (someone who often voted Republican) calling another "too conservative". Did Hillary vote for Reagan?

[ieoeja]

51. I dunno. Did she?

Did the Goldwater Girl from uber rightwing and "dry" Park Ridge vote for Ronald Wilson Reagan in the 1980 or 1984 general election? It would not surprise me.

[DU9598]

52. I doubt it

but doesn't sound like it would matter to you anyway since you seem to be into calling her names. :)

[Crunchy Frog]

62. Referring to her as a "Goldwater Girl" is not namecalling.

It is apparently the term that was given to a group of young women who campaigned for Goldwater, of which Hillary was a member. She also apparently was president, for a time, of the Wellesley College Chapter of the College Republicans.

I don't have a problem with it, any more than I do with the fact that Clark used to vote mainly Republican prior to the 90's. I'm not even bothered by the fact that Jim Webb was an active Republican far more recently than that, and could even see supporting him in a future presidential run. I care about where a person is now. I think these stupid games of trying to one-up each other on the "Republican" pasts of the candidates we oppose is both childish, and couterproductive.

[DU9598]

66. I agree

that is why I started this entire discussion with the person who claims to be a supporter of Gen. Clark ... my first prefered candidate in 04.

[Crunchy Frog]

67. I'm sorry, but Lara did not bring up Hillary's "Republican" past.

She simply said that she thinks Hillary as she is today is too conservative for her tastes; a view that is shared by many on this board. You were the one who decided to hit back with "yeah, well your guy voted for Reagan", a complete irrelevancy to the issue at hand.

I don't have a problem with someone saying that a candidate is currently too conservative for their tastes. It happens often enough here on DU. The "well, so and so used to be a Republican" comeback is childish and pointless, and has no place in any sort of meaningful and honest debate IMO. It's kind of like when, everytime you fight with your spouse, you bring up that thing he or she did 15 years ago.

BTW, the person who gave the Democratic party response to the SOTU was a Republican far more recently than either Clark or Hillary, and there's half a dozen threads up urging him to run for President.

The Republicans didn't have any problem getting behind Reagan, even though he was a former FDR Democrat. I guess maybe that makes anyone who voted for him, not really a Republican.:crazy:

[ieoeja]

50. A great man with a great victory!

I will never forget the great man's great victory in 2004. Under Terry the DNC raised more money than the RNC for the first time in decades! Yes, 2004 was certainly a great "victory" for the Democratic Party as Terry called it.

Sure, we lost the presidency and seats in both houses of congress. But we got more money! And that's what it's about, correct?

:sarcasm:

[The Magistrate]

20. No Appreciable Portion Of The Voting Public, Ma'am

Considers Sen. Clinton a conservative. The general public views her as a liberal and an exemplar of the left. This is unlikely to be altered in the course of a general election campaign, as the Republicans will be busy decribing her as somewhat to the left of Mao and Stalin....

[Tellurian]

28. So, don't run the race in the paddock..friend

theres plenty of time to cue up Hillary's image.
I didn't write the breakout story circulating in Europe.

However, it was worth posting here!

[Zhade]

44. A conservative MONSTER who loved Reagan, at that.

NT!

[Tellurian]

2. Go Hillary..

with elections over and done..

We are going to hear what they've been thinking while Bush has been dicktatating!

[peacebird]

8. Wasn't it their JOB to speak up and take action to defend the Constitution all along?

What's with this "with elections over and done" NOW we will hear what they've been thinking about bush's imperial presidency?

:wtf:

[Tellurian]

22. Bush gained power thru the Patriot's Act..

and the fear mongering brought on by 9/11.

You must remember the Republican meme's..."Democrats are soft on Terror?"

[peacebird]

33. yes - and the Repubs meme that those protesting were helping Al Qaeda but I kept

marching, protesting, writing LTTE's and contacting Congress anyhow. I have never understood why our Dems in Congress caved so completely. They totally abdicated their responsibility as the opposition party.

[Tellurian]

34. Maybe you thought so..

you have to remember, their eyes were on the prize, the Nov elections.
Hillary and Congressional members have been silent on many issues because
they didn't want to give the Right fodder to exploit them during the run up to the election.

People have to understand when you've put your heart and soul into a battle, silence doesn't
always equate to acquiesce. You have to know where your going, and above all, strong enough
to take the beatings from both sides until you can speak freely to make a difference.

Congress has achieved much in the last few weeks. The only danger they face now is the veto pen.
We'll see if Bush dares to enrage the country more than it already is..

[peacebird]

47. I hope you are right (the first paragraph)

[quinnox]

3. Hillary will destroy any in her path

She is an awesome ruthless and it is what is needed to win the White House. I love the woman!

[lostnotforgotten]

9. I Will Never Vote For A Bush Enabling War Monger

eom

[AtomicKitten]

11. spread the love

Democratic Senators who vote to authorize the IWR:

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Breaux (D-LA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Carper (D-DE)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Daschle (D-SD)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Edwards (D-NC)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Hollings (D-SC)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Miller (D-GA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Schumer (D-NY)
Torricelli (D-NJ)

[lostnotforgotten]

13. It's Why I Won't Vote For Edwards Either!

eom

[AtomicKitten]

14. I feel your pain.

But I hope you will suck it up and vote in the general election for whomever gets the nod.

[blm]

63. But she chose to not use these skills to stop Alito or push DSM investigation

or back up the last Dem nominee on Tora Bora and Rumsfeld's firing or help counter swifts the way other Dems stood up for her and Bill all those years or fight nominations like Rice and Gonzales?

She sure kept alot of powder dry.

[rodeodance]

6. keep on swinging Hil

[AtomicKitten]

10. Never had a doubt

that HRC would be a formidable contender. It is a rather exciting time in our history with a woman and a man of color running for president. That's what America is all about.

[ccpup]

16. You're right!

Embarrassing to admit that that hadn't occured to me, but we are living in historic times. To have a woman AND a black man as SERIOUS contenders for the Presidency is an indication of the people's willingness to put intelligence and political skills (not to mention a sincere desire to do what's right for the American People) over race and gender. Love 'em or hate 'em, it's pretty cool.

[John Q. Citizen]

23. Didn't we have a woman and a man of color running in 04? If memory serves...

[AtomicKitten]

31. not for president ....

[John Q. Citizen]

39. In the primaries? Mosley-Braun and Sharpton? If the Repos run

Condi, it would be a two for one, but I still wouldn't vote for her....

[AtomicKitten]

43. point taken

sorry

[AZBlue]

65. And a female Speaker of the House.

2007's off with a bang!

[Botany]

12. Well she was from the 1960s

[The Magistrate]

15. This Story, Ma'am, Is Picked Up From the Times Of London, A Tory Rag

The characterization of "like Thatcher" is from their writer, and has no root at all in statements from Sen. Clinton or her campaign staff. In other words, an even lower grade of spinning smear than is usually encountered.

[sandnsea]

18. A Murdoch Rag

This has been Hillary's plan all along, this is why we didn't fight the IWR. The new Margaret Thatcher, oh yeah, I believe that's her plan completely. Goddamned Reagan Democrats.

[The Magistrate]

21. A Woman Running For National Office, Ma'am

Must appear double-tough: theer is no help for it. Things must be played as they lay....

[sandnsea]

24. Margaret Thatcher - Iron Lady??

Women do not have to remake themselves in the image of men. Women can be decisive, consistent, and firm; and maintain a nurturing persona at the same time. See Teresa Heinz Kerry.

[The Magistrate]

25. That Identification, Ma'am, Is From The Paper, Not Sen. Clinton's Campaign

The Tories over there love to twit the left that the first woman P.M. was one of them, and not a leftist, and do so when even the smallest opportunity presents itself.

Mrs. Heinz-Kerry is not a candidate for national office, nor is she likely to become one.

[Tellurian]

27. Don't over do the Ma'm crap..

The UK Story is painting Hillary as tough, backed with a well oiled organized campaign.
I'm likin it..

[sandnsea]

29. Murdoch supports Blair

It's his paper. Based on his meetings with Hillary, it isn't a stretch to conclude his paper will print things in the manner her campaign chooses. It isn't a stretch to me to believe she will want to be viewed in a Margaret Thatcher manner.

Teresa is an example of a strong woman who doesn't feel the need to express that strength as an "Iron Lady".

Gotta go now.

[Tellurian]

26. Sorry, I don't see Teresa in the same light..

not when compared to Hillary.

[generaldemocrat]

42. That's OK, when she invades Iran.......

we can say she did it to "act tough".

[ShortnFiery]

55. I hated that old war horse too (Thatcher) and have no love lost

for the right wing's corporate "Hillary Campaign" blitz.

It's not working for me and I pray that many democrats will note this grand deception, i.e., Hillary is first and foremost for the corporations NOT the average struggling American Family.

[wisteria]

35. She can remake herself any way she wants, but the real Hillary is

a cautious fence sitter. Not a leader. She can say and do anything she wants. I will never vote for her. I want to see a woman make the Presidency because she deserves it- not because her husband was President.

[generaldemocrat]

41. Margaret Thatcher is intensely disliked in the UK......

If they label Hillary as the new Thatcher, then that really isn't much of a compliment.

[LeftishBrit]

49. Thatcher is NOT disliked by Times-readers as a group

Guardian-readers like myself are another matter of course.

But there is still a sizeable number of people in this country who think of Maggie the way American right-wingers think of St Ronnie; and to such people, a comparison with her would be quite a compliment.

[Zhade]

46. Can anyone explain how supporting an illegal war that has broken our military...

...is "strong on defense"?

Anyone?

Because it looks like the OPPOSITE to me.

[LeftishBrit]

48. Note the crucial phrase 'their policies are totally different'

The basic implication of the article is "Hillary Clinton is an assertive woman seeking high office; Maggie Thatcher was an assertive woman seeking (and getting) high office; therefore they're the same person." Pretty sexist, if you ask me. But the Times is well-known here for having degenerated from its distinguished origins into a right-wing Murdoch rag.

[mdmc]

53. I'm not too keen on Terry McAuliffe

But I do think that Hillary can win in 08. I think that Obama can win as well. I actually think that many people can win in 08.

[ShortnFiery]

56. She can NOT win without the base, and she has lost the base.

All this demonetization of Liberals has filtered down to the DLC. Moderate Democrats are like the Moderate Republicans of the 70s. Only a "TRUE UNITER" like Obama or Edwards can actually WIN the Presidential Election. Sure the Right Wing and M$M can force her nomination, but the Democrats will lose if they mistakenly believe that Hillary can win with ALL HER BAGGAGE, not to mention her cozying up to the right wing in the recent past. She's equally hated by both the left and the right. :shrug:

[mdmc]

57. "Base" - lol

Any Dem can win in 2008. What- liberals gonna go to Nader if Hillary gets the nom?
Any of the Dems can win. I like Edwards, Kerry, Dodd, all the war enablers - they can all win. Hillary can win.
Sure, Kucinich is as pure as they come, but any of the "Kucinich lite" candidates can win.

[ShortnFiery]

58. IMO, not true mdmc, but again you will have to learn the hard way

that George McGovern, one each, liberal, was RIGHT about Vietnam and "we the liberals and populists" (Edwards, Kucinich) are right about Iraq.

I know, I know, again we are going to have to learn the hard way with much more blood of our beloved children on our hands. :cry:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/01/06/but_george_mcgovern_was_right/

But George McGovern was right
By James Carroll | January 6, 2004, The Boston Globe

THE DEMOCRATS see a hobgoblin under the bed, and his name is George McGovern. Low-grade panic is beginning to set in as pundits forecast a repeat of 1972: "As Massachusetts goes, so goes the District of Columbia." The prospect of "another McGovern" whets the appetite of Bush partisans while generating gloom and shame among Democrats. Howard Dean, for one, flees the association, while other candidates tar him with it.

But there was an equally charged issue separating the two candidates in 1972. Nixon was the avatar of America's tragic Cold War mistake. His entire career was informed by a paranoid assessment of the Soviet threat. "It's a we/they world," Paul Nitze said when he served in the Nixon administration. "It's us against the Soviets. Either we get them first, or they get us first." (Nitze was Nixon's idea of an arms control negotiator.) This apocalyptic way of perceiving the enemy was already outmoded in the early '70s, but it would take American statesmen another two decades to see it. Nitze, Richard Perle, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Paul D. Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney -- such apostles of the "we/they world" were empowered in 1972, and if their bipolar vision had not been undercut by Mikhail Gorbachev, the Cold War would still be on. Indeed, these men of 1972 are back, aiming to create another.

McGovern was an opponent of the "we/they" vision. A prophet of detente, he has since been vindicated by history. He offered America a way out of the trap that opposes "realist" and "idealist" perspectives. McGovern understood not only that the Vietnam War was wrong but that in the nuclear age, the realist is the one who sees that the structures of war itself must be systematically dismantled. One hears the complaint from today's Democrats that McGovern, a decorated World War II bomber pilot, did not tout his war hero's record, but that entirely misses his most important point -- that fear of war and glorification of war are simply not to be exploited for political purposes, whether at the personal level or the national. What McGovern the candidate refused to do is what American presidents should refuse to do.

George W. Bush obscenely exploits war for his own purposes. He sponsors a paranoid assessment of what threatens America now and draws political advantage from the resulting fear. The news media propagate that fear. Pundits continue the false opposition between "realist" and "idealist" visions, marginalizing anyone who dares question Garrison America. Meanwhile, the unnecessary Bush war rages, and not even the steady death toll of young GIs makes much news anymore. If a Democrat running for president dares to speak the truth about these things, it is the furthest thing from shame. And before feeling gloom about next November, ask what it means if the Democrat, to win, must do what Nixon did.

The above is as true today for the 2008 election as it was for the boffo 2004 fiasco.

When will we ever learn?

[mdmc]

60. we will learn in good time.

All in good time.

peace and low stress

[Silence Dogood]

64. I think she'll WIN too!

funny, got an e-mail today from Barnes & Noble-
Terry McAuliffe's book 35% off w/coupon..

[ItNerd4life]

59. But will she strike out?

That is the question. Anybody can swing, it's getting the hits that count.

Personally, I hope she strikes out. Why do they always say Obama is inexperienced? Inexperienced at what? Playing the Washington insider politcal crap game? To me, that's an advantage.

[KoKo]

61. Well....Margaret Thatcher was REALLY POPULAR during Reagan Administration

One hope that Hillary is "chatting up" Gordon Brown in England now that Blair is "stepping down."

:eyes: