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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:06 PM
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EDWARDS supporters and well-wishers only
This is the official thread for Edwards supporters and well-wishers to discuss his performance in the Maine caucus, free of disruption.

If you are not an Edwards supporter or a well-wisher, please do not post in this thread. The purpose of this thread is for disruption-free discussion among Edwards supporters. Any negative posts by opponents will be deleted by the moderators. We will open up separate threads where supporters of the other candidates can interact without disruption from opponents.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:11 PM
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1. Best Wishes. Continued Success. Good Luck.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:16 PM
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2. Lets get ready.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 08:18 PM by MATTMAN
I am projecting that this will be a two man race soon lets get ready Edwards supporters for a two man race!
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:20 PM
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6. I hope you are right.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:06 AM
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34. Congratulations
Good luck with the rest of it.

:toast:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:11 AM
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35. Thanks, he didn't do as well as I hoped, but I guess we'll see what
tomorrow brings.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:22 PM
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7. I agree
Like Russert just said on MSNBC:

"You can't recover the fumble if you aren't on the field."


Kerry is a poor candidate. Edwards needs to stay in this race long enough to be there on March 2 after the Rove machine spends $100 million beating up on Kerry the next few weeks.

We need to be there to "recover the fumble". And I think the fumble is not all that unlikely.


Now that the Repukes will buy into the idea that Kerry is the nominee, they will smack him hard. If something sticks, Edwards needs to be the one to pick up the baton.


Go Johnny, go!
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:27 PM
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8. If Edwards secures a second place finish in Tenn. It is a 2 man race
I don't know where Clark will go after this but if he does not get a second place finish in Tenn. he has no where to go. and we can now focus on Kerry.
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Clark Commandor Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:14 PM
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25. Love Profusion
Edwards/Kerry Ticket would win.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:17 PM
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3. Good luck Edwards supporters!
:bounce:
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:18 PM
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4. Thanks newyawker99!
n/t
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:20 PM
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5. I'm off to host a letter-writing party for Edwards tonight.
He's coming out to a rally here in CA on Thursday too. I'm prepared for a lot of hard work in the next few weeks!!

I'm turning off the TV and heading out the door.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:28 PM
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9. Yeah. I want to see this thread dead. All Edwards supporters should
be writing letters.

Win Wisconsin.
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citizen snips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:31 PM
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10. Someone needs to hold up the Edwards fort at DU.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 08:40 PM
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11. Well, it looks like we're the solid #2
The question is whether Clark and Dean finally call it quits.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:06 PM
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12. Good luck to Edwards
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 09:07 PM by bigwillq
and all his supporters. There's still a long way to go!

edit: spelling
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:14 PM
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13. Another good one for JE
:toast:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:17 PM
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14. 33% in... Edwards just moved ahead of Clark in Tenn...
For perception's sake, we need to come in second in both places.

But for 1200 or so votes in Oklahoma, it would already be a 2-man race.


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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:36 PM
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15. Edwards Speaking Now....
"We're going to have an election, not a coronation..."

John Edwards is a better speaker, times two, than the other three major candidates combined.


His message works. Dammit, we need this guy to be the nominee...
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 09:52 PM
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16. A great effort this week glad my state came in big for our guy
hard work pays off. Time to pass the torch to our friends in the heartland !

Do us proud Wisconsin !

GO EDWARDS !
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:21 PM
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17. Go John, keep running
You make this state of North Carolina proud to have a person like represent us....Go John, and the best to you and Elizabeth,and family. Run John Run!
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:25 PM
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18. Well, it looks like Clark's gonna stay in another week
Chalk Wisconsin to the Kerry camp.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:43 PM
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19. I'll betcha a quarter he's not
money ought to be making the decision for him at this point.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:17 PM
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27. pay up ! am I good or am I good !
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:44 PM
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20. Damn
Clark should have dropped out after Oklahoma. That would have made Tenn. and Va. a two-man race. Even if Clark dropped out tonight, it looks too late to stop Kerry. So, with Clark and Dean making it a 4-way race in Wisconsin, it's certain that Kerry will get the nomination.

Front-loading backfired. The most electable man didn't win. Looks like the Democrats will have to win the White House without Southern votes or rural votes, as well as hold on to Southern Senate seats without the coat tails a Southerner would have.

We are now in the conflicted position of pinning our hopes of victory on a souring economy and continued failure in Iraq, rather than on something POSITIVE -- rather than on Edwards.

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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:46 PM
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21. Let's wait and see what tomorrow brings.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:51 PM
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22. OK, spooky
I'll withdraw my judgement for the night. Let's hope the light of a new day brings some rays of sense into the campaigns of tonights third and fourth-place finishers.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:01 PM
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23. now you're talkin !
it was inconvenient that its stretched out this far but not NECESSARILY more than that.

Dean will take care of the mudslinging and the GOP may even help. We stay on target and see if sometimes nice guys finish first.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:13 PM
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24. And then there were 3
well 5 but Sharpton and Kucinich are not competing the same way. It will be interesting to see how the Wisconsin race shapes up. How close does Edwards need to get to Kerry in WI to be within striking distance on super tuesday?
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:16 PM
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26. ITs official boys and girls ! Clark outta there !
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:47 PM
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31. Thank you, General
I hope he has a future in Democratic politics, but he just wasn't ready for for this campaign.

If only Howard Dean had the good sense General Clark has shown.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:26 PM
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28. Congratulations, good luck, JE looked great, as always
this is going to get very interesting.

:)
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:41 PM
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29. Greetings, DU Edwards Caucus Members!! May I Join You?
My candidate of choice, Wes Clark, is apparently throwing in the towel. I now move my wholehearted support toward my new candidate of choice, John Edwards.

Saddened by Clark's dropout, but energized by Edwards,
Jennifer in Cincinnati (and I didn't even get a chance to vote :-(]
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:44 PM
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always room for more, welcome aboard !
Oh you'll get your chance to vote, its just a matter of who for.

Hopefully Senator Edwards can earn it.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:50 PM
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32. Welcome!
Wes was always my second choice.

I don't think a New Englander can win a general election in the current environment, and I am ABB. So Dean and Kerry were 3rd and 4th for me.

If Edwards dropped out first, I would've joined the Clark camp.

As it is, we're all that's standing between Kerry and the train wreck that would be his nomination.

We owe a debt of gratitude to Dean and Clark supporters for the backbone infusion that they gave the Democratic party.

Dean should be sec of treasury and Clark should be sec of state. But Edwards needs to be nominee, because Rove will kill Kerry.



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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:50 PM
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33. Of course! Welcome aboard!
I am sorry to hear the news about Clark dropping out. He was my #2 choice, and is a man of good character. I think he has a good future in politics.

But welcome to the Edwards camp! It's not over yet!!
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:56 AM
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38. Thanks Everyone! I'm still awfully concerned about IWR, though.
I'm thinking I'm an Edwards Gal now, but must admit that Dean's anti-war stance, my biggest personal issue by far, might persuade me to vote Dean in my primary.

Edwards Fans: Explain his IWR vote to me. I want to go Edwards, because I adore his working-class, pro-jobs message, but I'm having trouble with IWR.

- Jennifer
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:07 AM
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39. I don't understand how a vote for the IWR turned into...
...an indication that the candidate is a war monger.

That was an up/down vote on something that Bush was only going to use to destroy the democrats -- damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I just think you have to look at Kucininch for an indication of what this means. Here's a guy who wants a department of peace and is the biggest dove ever -- so much so, that, if he were nominated, the Republicans would easily tar as being so soft of defense that he's a danger.

Who's his favorite candidate besides himself? John Edwards. Why? Because he knows the REAL progressive project is the need to have power flow down from the top. If you do that, there is no Iraq war, because THAT'S the reason we had the war in the first place. It's a weapon Republicans have used to concentrare power at the top.

If you want not to have wars like Iraq, we need more power flowing down.

Look at Venezuela. Chavez is moving a lot of political power down and out, and it's going to mean that it will be very hard for Venezueal to be taken over by fascists ever again. That's what Edwards is working towards.

If there were an anti-IWR candidate who didn't care about the direction wealth and power flowed, then that candidate might be no better than Bush.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:13 AM
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36. As we head into Wisconsin...
..I think "buyer's remorse" will start to set in.

The message to Wisconsin residents will be "if you vote for Kerry, it is over. He WILL be the nominee. Are you SURE you want this?"

And I think they'll take a second look at Edwards and Dean. And they will decide they still like the "electability" argument, and the undecideds and former Clark-supporters will fall to Edwards.

Edwards is at 9% in Wisconsin now. He'll be at 35% by next Tuesday... a STRONG second place to Kerry heading into March 2nd. And that result will lead to California and New York voters taking another look at Edwards following the positive buzz he gets out of there.

And the Bush attack machine, along with Dean, will whither Kerry's lead away with negative campaigning and Edwards will be able to slip in the back door with major upsets in 4 or 5 of the March 2 states. Throw in the 3-way debate in California on Feb 26th where Dean will beat on Kerry while Edwards exudes a positive vision above the fray....

And the race will be on...

...that's my dream scenario anyway....


;-)
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:37 AM
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37. The media have Kerry in the bulls eye
I think it can be an interesting campaign as the media is allowing Edwards to pinch his pennies. I have to say I'm impressed with his fiscal management to date !
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SangamonTaylor Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:01 AM
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40. "There are people in fancy clothes and others dressed in overalls.
http://www.geocities.com/nctechwriter/WEF/fancyclothes.html">Each has exactly the same one vote. Each has exactly the same say in the election. There is no place in America where equality means as much as in the voting booth." - Lucius Wade Edwards

979 delegates have been decided. 979 votes out of a total number of 4321 votes that count in the Democratic National nomination. That is only 23% of the voting public. A total of 2,161 delegates are needed to secure the nomination. John Kerry currently has 516 delegates, 102 of which are unpledged.

The next week in Wisconsin is crucial. A strong showing will provide the momentum needed at just the right time, heading into the key dates in March. John Edwards will gain national coverage and become the national candidate that Sen. Kerry became in less than a month. Just as Sen. Kerry moved from single digits in states only a few weeks earlier, to the eventual primary and caucus winner, John Edwards will go into the debates over the next two weeks as an alternative to the front runner. Watch for the numbers to rise.

Should Kerry falter in any way, there are still MANY capable candidates, whose political policy is more desirable in every imaginable way than that of the current administration, that I would support come November. However, I truly believe in the positive, optimistic message that John Edwards has made a central part of his entire campaign for President.

Super Tuesday will prove that this is no coronation, this is an election. John Kerry still requires another 1651 delegates to become the Democratic nominee. Those American people who are inspired to take part in the democratic process will follow a man based on his promising vision for America in our future, ability to convey that message convincingly.

The candidates have the time to distinguish themselves, their experience and credentials, build fund-raising, grassroots support and organization. Further the perceived public likability is as volatile a factor as ever this year.

Much like the past month, the next four weeks are an eternity when it comes to the amount of available national exposure.

American's of all types will converge on the polls on March 2nd. The number will comprise 26.6% of the delegates, from the Democratic primaries and caucuses in the states of California, Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New York, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont--1,150 delegates to be decided.

Then the next week, March 9th, he takes his message to Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas, comprising a combined 460 delegates.

This election is just beginning and I want my voice to be heard.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:14 AM
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41. Now you might clean up in the south
There are a lot of states left. Also, don't forget about California.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:28 AM
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42. Another phenomenal speech by Edwards tonight
Was it just me, or did he appear a little choked up, especially at the beginning?

It would certainly rip me apart, knowing your message is superior along with your opportunity to defeat Bush, but the party has succumbed to irrational fear and is apparently headed elsewhere.

Edwards continues to improve as a candidate, weaving in real life scenarios like tonight's father who has to tell his little girl the bread winning job has been lost. That would be magical in the fall...
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