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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:18 AM
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question for the hiLLary Lovers here
name one red state she can win.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:20 AM
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1. Denial
The great state of Denial :crazy:
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:24 AM
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2. That's the first response I came up with after seeing that thread too.
It's only my opinion but I believe the majority of blue staters would like another choice regarding her as well.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:29 AM
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3. If only Hillary and the MSM would read the democratic blogs
They would find out she is not very strong at all.
They would find she is brings up the rear on most blog polls.
If they read the blogs like DU they would save both of themselves alot of embarassment.
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Zambero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:30 AM
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4. Ohio, Iowa, New Mexico, and possibly West Virginia, Colorado and Nevada
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 08:31 AM by Zambero
I'm probably not the intended respondee since Hillary's not my 1st choice for the nomination. However, voter attitudes have changed markedly since 2004 and previously red stated can and will go blue for a Democratic nominee, Clinton included -- Bush's mere presence and increased disillusionment with his policies being the reason. Latinos who bolted the GOP this year will not be coming back. Previously non-voting single women would turn out for Hillary in droves. 18-30 year old voters who voted lopsidedly Dem this year would do so again. The RED states are defined as such by 2004 presidential election outcomes.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:34 AM
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6. I wasn't up on specifics, but tend to agree.

The broader answer is probably, "more states than it now seems."

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:07 AM
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10. Once the campaign begins we might be surprised
But then she must officially enter the race. To date only the media and republicans have her running and that is because they know she is strong. They started attacking her so early to counter that strength.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:32 AM
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5. She Doesn't Have To Win Red
Just the "purple"

If she can get all of the states Gore or Kerry got but get Florida too, she's got it.

I don't know if she can do it.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 05:35 PM
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47. that's what Kerry though to
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:43 AM
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7. Not all that many DUers are Hillary bashers - but they are loud - I'd vote for her in a NY minute!
Hillary as President would be great because she is a truth teller and has the ability to use her past experience to do better in the future. She seems a Saint - a teacher and a helper and a protector that looks like a Giant - she is a gift to ourselves compared to the idea of electing a "send more troops" John McCain and indeed compared to all the GOP possible candidates with their be kind to the poor and middle class talk now which we know from the experience of the past 6 years is always followed in those same GOPers in lockstep screwing the middle class so as to send tax cuts to the RICH & CORPORATE while also providing welfare for the rich by means of government contracts for unneeded and overpriced items and services. Only Hillary will hold the size of government down and cut away at the growth of government that has occurred under the GOP - and only Hillary will have the guts to tell the health insurance companies that they must change to administrative service providers for claim payment, as they are now under their contracts with the Medicare program, as we move to single payer national health, saving the country the 30% of the current health care bill (over $300 Billion a year) that is wasted on an inefficient payment system. We have a massive health care payment problem - and a relatively small coverage problem - and the Obama/Massachusetts-Rommney universal coverage via taxpayer money to insurance companies for limited benefits will not solve the problem of our paying 30% extra just to keep the money flowing through the insurance companies. Hillary was forced by Bill into a universal coverage approach in 93 and will not make the mistake again (I hope).

She is better than most on human rights and has real values from her constant religious faith, so she will get things accomplished in this area - perhaps gay unions instead of gay marriage and abortion rights limited to allow some parental input so as to get these compromises passed - but she will accomplish passage into laws and prevention of bad laws where others offer only rhetoric that is often lies.

Amazing how many DUers have bought into the GOP theme sold by the media of a flag waving in the wind, no hard principles - next I suppose will be the usual GOP theme of "flip-flopper" being sold on DU.

She is a fiscal conservative that while well left of center on other issues may well be not enough left for some on DU - but the DU debate so far seems dishonest as it does not attack specific positions - just asserts GOP themes that will be used on any Democratic nominee. Only Edwards with his 40,000 troop draw down in a year proposal(in this week's announcement interviews) seems to have a position that is both possible and in the right direction for Iraq. I do believe Hillary needs to take the exact same position - soon.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 08:59 AM
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8. When you can learn to use her name with respect then we will talk.
Until then...
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:29 AM
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12. Great response. Some dems really need to grow up. n/t
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:30 AM
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14. *snort*
:rofl:

i'LL be waiting with bated breath.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 11:48 AM
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42. I bet you will.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:15 PM
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43. that didn't take Long
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:30 AM
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15. how long before people on DU spell it "Hitlery" like the hardcore RW'ers do?
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:31 AM by wyldwolf
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:43 AM
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20. Oooh, touchy touchy...
:rofl:
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Shrek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:03 AM
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9. Against which opponent?
It makes a difference when assessing her prospects.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:26 AM
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11. What the HELL has happened to my computer??????
Somehow I have ended up at Free Republic......you mean this ISN'T Free Republic???? Could have fooled me!!!!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:34 AM
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17. maybe you were redirected
:shrug:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:44 AM
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22. I don't think so, BUT I'm sure going make certain it doesn't happen again
Dems bashing their own POTENTIAL PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES is really scary stuff; specially when you consider what's POTENTIALLY running for president on the other side of the aisle.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:48 AM
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25. WELL sometimes
PEOPLE can't even see THE RIDICULOUSNESS of CERTAIN LONG range PREDICTIONS and that SOME PEOPLE mistake pretty much anything THAT doesn't worship her, TO BE bashing.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:50 AM
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26. sniffa is a Nader supporter.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:53 AM
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27. Heh
I take it you're not accustomed to his humor stylings... :rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:01 AM
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32. so what did you do?
Log in under another username or call you mom to help you out?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:02 AM
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33. no, my daughter
she's a good kid.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:04 AM
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35. So you had to get your daughter to aid you or did you just log in under her username?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:15 AM
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37. i was just kidding
that's my sock puppet.

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:02 AM
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34. You're funny
:D
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:06 AM
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36. so are you
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:55 AM
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28. ..
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:55 AM
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29. Supporting guys like nadar is like voting for a rethugliCON,...........
recent election history has proved this to be true. The very last thing this nation needs is ANOTHER RW neocon running our country.
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Hav Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:24 AM
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39. .
Have you checked out the links he posted? Both referred to posts that were very cleary meant as jokes. There isn't even any doubt about it.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:43 AM
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41. Sorry, did not check the links, ONLY read the 'Subject' line.........
I'll have to take the time to right click next time. Thanks for the call, MY mistake!!
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:21 AM
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38. I didn't think it was bashing.
I thought it was discussing. You mean we can't discuss the merits of one candidate over another???? When did this rule come about?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 10:39 AM
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40. There is plenty of Hilliary bashing HERE; I would suggest 'WE' redirect.....
our bashing efforts across the aisle at the neocons lining up to become the next president.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:29 AM
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13. It seems that everytime someone starts such a post...
..they either have no avatar or neglect to mention who they'd back in '08.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:31 AM
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16. if you Like..
you couLd donate for me, and my avatar wiLL come back.

as for whom i support - whomever the nominee is... within reason. joementum couLd surge!
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:37 AM
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18. so, in another words, you won't tell us your personal preference?
Oh, and don't ask for mine - I'm not there bashing any candidate.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:43 AM
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21. so in another words
you won't donate for me.

what is this, free repubLic?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:41 AM
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19. ...
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:42 AM by sniffa
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:44 AM
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23. LOL! Talk to yourself much?
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 09:44 AM by wyldwolf
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:45 AM
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24. LOL!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:56 AM
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30. Probably a few more than Edwards won. He couldn't even win his own state,
at least not from the number two spot on the ticket, but that's still saying something.
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 09:57 AM
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31. Virginia
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k_jerome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 12:17 PM
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44. Ohio. nt.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:21 PM
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45. Not to mention a few blues
Edited on Fri Dec-29-06 04:22 PM by JNelson6563
I'm telling you all, ignore the tenuous "blueness" of Michigan at your own peril. It's not all that firmly in the blue column and if our candidate is the queen of polarization--Hillary, it may be the first time in a long time the long feared results occur, MI goes red.

Those who staunchly support her seem oblivious to the fact that Hillary is deeply hated. It's not just reich-wingers, the hate campaign that has been conducted for ages has been very effective. Example: Last summer I was talking with the gal who was cutting my hair. I was talking politics and she didn't know anything, no names that I was mentioning or anything. At the mention of "Hillary" you should have seen her face tighten up and she said "Oh I hate her." I was shocked at this passionate response but learned from it.

Julie
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-29-06 04:39 PM
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46. Texas
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