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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:13 PM
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I am becoming disturbed that so many are behind Candiates they've Chosen!
...and in most cases they are choosing the "Rock Star of the Moment."

Being "SUCKED UP" to the "MEDIA FLAVOR OF THE MOMENT" and Mind CONTROLLED by the LATEST Corporate Media SENSATION...DU'ers LOSE THEIR VALUES...and become PART OF THE "REALITY BUSH BIG MO PROPAGANDA!"

Hey COOL... :party: :toast: DO YOUR OWN THINGY! GOOD...WHATEVER MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD!



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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:20 PM
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1. I"m still undecided but the guy I'm watching closely never comes up on the MSM
radar

the esteemed General Clark seems the man to watch IMO
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:26 PM
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2. How many "question Obama" threads do you think are necessary tonight?
We effing GET your opinion.

And thanks for "allowing" us to have our own...jump on any bandwagon we like. Mighty big of you!
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:30 PM
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3. Thank you! (high five!) n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:55 PM
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7. You read me WRONG...Obama is the NEW JFK...he's kind of "chosen" in that
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 07:02 PM by KoKo01
he "speaks to the People" with a Populist Message they can really UNDERSTAND.

How he will "Govern" when he gets into OFFICE differently that Carter and Clinton...is what I have questions about. I do have questions. :shrug:

Should YOU have QUESTIONS?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:48 PM
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4. An extraordinary statement...
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 06:50 PM by robcon
"I am becoming disturbed that so many are behind Candidates they've Chosen!"

What did you expect - that they would stand behind candidates they have NOT chosen?

There is no more condescending attitutde than to call the choices of OTHER PEOPLE "rock stars" and that OTHER PEOPLE'S opinions are driven by "mind control."
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:07 PM
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11. You might want to wait and see who's running.
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 07:08 PM by longship
And who isn't.

Then, weigh *all* the candidates one against each other. Look at their histories, their positions, their voting records, the depth of their experience, etc.

Then, come to a conclusion of which candidate might be the best to serve as the leader of the country. Then, support that candidate and vote for him or her.

However, in order to accomplish all this, one has to have the patience to wait more than another whole year, possibly longer.

Or, you may just want to mindlessly jump on a bandwagon now, fully understanding that all it is is a bandwagon.

Your choice.

Mine is to avoid the media bandwagon and make an *informed* choice from *all* the possibilities.

Sure, I have my favorites. But the turn of 2007 is far, far too soon to speak about candidates for the 2008 Presidential campaign. What about this do people not understand?

Ignore the media bullshit, because that's all it is.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:09 PM
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12. I think the "they" being talked about is the "they" of the...
...media; not the "they" of the people. That's how I took it.
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phiddle Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:53 PM
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5. I don't think that it's that bad.
Given the range of sources on DU and the rigor of the debate here, the average DUer is probably LESS susceptible than most Americans to media hype. The reason that there are so many partisans of one candidate or another is that (ding-ding) we have so MANY attractive possible candidates!
Look at it---Edwards, Clinton, Clark, Kucinich, Obama, Gore, even Vilsack have some very good points. I can't find fault with anyone who has given over their heart to one of the above, for there is a lot of justification in any case.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:53 PM
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6. Wow. That's condescending.
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Torgo Johnson Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 06:58 PM
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8. I think I am the only one here that sees the original post as being tongue-in-cheek.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:00 PM
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9. I'm seeing different anatomy: head in *ss, maybe?
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 07:05 PM by chimpymustgo
It's getting a little obsessive...not to mention presumptuous and condescending.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:09 PM
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20. So; HE is the one who knows we are a bunch of sheep ....
And YOU are the one of the very few to get the joke ? ....

Are we STOOPID or what ? ....

Double stoopid ....

"Thank you, sir ... May I have another ?"

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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:01 PM
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10. Oh, please. Speaking of sensationalist...
I think your post deserves an award for it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:10 PM
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13. Gotto balance out the Edwards/Clark/Gore/Kerry /Kucinich threads
that have been popping up all over the place since forever! ;)

I think it is great!

We have time before we vote, and folks will change their minds....some daily, and some never, and some will never make their minds up! Isn't that how DU works? :shrug:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:25 PM
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14. Are you talking about the herd of lemmings
Following Kucinich? Yeah, what us with that? :shrug:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 07:54 PM
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15. "herd of lemmings following Kucinich? " Wha?
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 08:10 PM by KoKo01
You are being "funny" of course.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:22 PM
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16. You posted just the other day that you support Kucinich or Gore..
Edited on Fri Dec-15-06 08:31 PM by Kahuna
Are you fed up with yourself too? :eyes:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:24 PM
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17. I am a PROGRESSIVE DEM....all my post reflect that.........
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 08:52 PM
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18. Ironic that you're against mind control of the media but you advocate mind control by you.
I mean, you're basically saying that unless you approve of the candidate, it's a wrong decision to make. Interesting.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:05 PM
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19. KoKo... did you accidently double up on yer' meds?
DU'ers LOSE THEIR VALUES...and become PART OF THE "REALITY BUSH BIG MO PROPAGANDA!


...

Not just the part of your thread above.. but the whole thread... NONE of it makes a lick O' sense..
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:12 PM
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21. here's what disturbs me even more ...
Warner ... gone ...
Bayh ... gone ... (let bygones be bygones? ... sorry ...)
some have "looked at it" and decided not to jump in ...

what the hell is going on here?

too much is being decided out of the public view and without the participation of the voters ... possible candidates cruise around the country talking to party insiders and prospective "big boy" funders ... they parade their goodies and see whether there's any hope ...

2 years before the next election, voters nowhere to be seen, and people are already dropping out ...

if that isn't a system in desperate need of reform, i don't know one that is ... Democrats need to find a way to "walk the walk" on taking the big money out of at least our primary process ... i hate the idea that a few insiders can make or break potential candidates ...

what the hell kind of democracy is that ?????
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-15-06 11:21 PM
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22. Good points. n/t
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:21 AM
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23. Again, what did you expect?
welshTerrier2 wrote: "2 years before the next election, voters nowhere to be seen, and people are already dropping out ..."

Gee, that's SO unlike any other presidential election, where, as we all know, the candidates always announce 2 years before the election, no one has ever dropped out for lack of support/money/interest/enthusiasm, so that EVERYONE thinks the 2008 election is unusual.
:sarcasm:
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 08:33 AM
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24. here's what i expect
i expect the American people, hopefully someday soon, to awaken from their slumber and realize that their democracy and their liberty will soon be gone if they don't remain vigilant ... democracies are not "self-sustaining" ... the poisoning by money, media and marketeers of "the Great American experiment" is everywhere ... no, 2008 will not be any different than the past except to say that it will be even worse ...

what i expect is for progressives and those in the political classes who respect for our founding values to start getting serious about the reforms we so desperately require ...
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 09:48 AM
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25. We should be vigilant. Who could disagree, welshTerrier2?
But you wrote: "I am becoming disturbed that so many are behind Candiates they've Chosen!"

That's what I was responding to.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 10:26 AM
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26. you've misquoted me ...
i did not write: "I am becoming disturbed that so many are behind Candiates they've Chosen!"

that statement was written by the OP ... not by me ...

but, since the issue has been raised, i do think it's unfortunate that so many focus so heavily on candidate support at the expense of a real discussion of the issues ... and i think it's tragic that so many line up behind a candidate instead of using their citizenship and their influence and their votes and their values to LEAD our candidates toward better positions ...

i think we're doing it backwards ... we should not pick candidates like we pick meals from a menu ... we should tell the chef what dish we want and how we want it prepared ... should there be room for compromise? of course ... but the people should lead ...

there's entirely too much "following" going on here ... it's a very rare day indeed when we see strong positions taken by a candidate supporter opposing their candidate on an issue ... it happens but it happens far too rarely ...
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 01:02 PM
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27. I'm "behind" a couple.
My primary choice is a no-brainer; I don't really give a shit if I'm the only person on the planet to cast a vote for Kucinich, I'll cast that vote because it's the right thing to do, and because his platform is light-years ahead of the rest.

In the general, I'd vote for Gore without hesitation even though I have some differences with him; specifically on NAFTA/CAFTA. There are other Democrats who could earn my vote in the general election as well, but they aren't, or are not yet, considering a run.

I'll be behind any candidate I feel might be worthy of the presidency in the primaries, regardless of whether or not I campaign or vote for them. I'd love to see a primary where it would be HARD to choose; where it took me until election day to make up my mind!

Frankly, the "rock stars of the moment," the "media sensations" are some that won't earn my vote in the primary or the general. I won't be herded into a vote.
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