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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:51 PM
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MSNBC BREAKING: Kucinich will run in 2008.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 03:39 PM by Infinite Hope
Scarborough just announced that Kucinich has announced he will run.

It's important that people like this run. They're not afraid to speak their minds and therefore can sometimes be ahead of their time. Remember people like Kucinich and Dean had the plan from the beginning that's now being recommended two years and 2,000 lives later.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:52 PM
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1. Good. n/t
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:53 PM
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2. He's a good guy. n/t
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:55 PM
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3. We need his voice, even if he doesn't make it. He will pull everybody
to where they need to be. This guy knows what needs to be done.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:58 PM
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4. If Iraq is still a mess he has a chance...
because everybody who's thinking of running voted for this war.except Obama and Vilsack
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:44 PM
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15. And hopefully Gore n/t
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:48 PM
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40. And Clark.
Who testified and advised Congress AGAINST the Iraqi War.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:29 PM
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13. I enjoy Kucinich and Sharpton both.
Sharpton just adds so much color and is able to use his famous analogies to bring the points home to Americans. I think both of these men are important for the primary debates.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:58 PM
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5. I like him but I would prefer not to be dividing up the ABC vote
(Anyone But Clinton) especially since he has as much chance of become president as I do.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 02:58 PM
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6. Congratulations Team Kucinich !
He brings so much to the debate and my Greenie friends too :toast:

What's Scarborough doing on in the afternoon?
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:07 PM
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7. I agree. He's very important to the debate. n/t
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Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:09 PM
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8.  I want "a single-payer, universal health care system." so all Americans are covered.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:11 PM
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9. I was able to meet him in DC...
while I was interning. I went to his Katrina briefing last fall (I think late Sept/early Oct). Very interesting. I can't help but like the guy.
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:13 PM
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10. K&R! Go Kucinich! n/t
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:18 PM
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12. Thanks! n/t
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:15 PM
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11. Websites
http://www.kucinich.us / This must be his PAC...?

http://kucinich.house.gov / Here's his congressional website.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:33 PM
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14. Some think it will help Hillary, but not so.
He'll drop out early after contributing greatly to the debate. In the end, like last time, it'll come down to two or three candidates in the vast majority of the contests and he won't be one of them.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:52 PM
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17. He did not drop out
until the convention last time.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:53 PM
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18. You're right, my mistake.
For some reason I was thinking he backed out and left Kerry/Edwards. But you're right, thanks.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:32 PM
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37. No problem
I love the guy and will work for him. I find that there are many misconceptions about him and often times attempts to discredit him by others with incorrect information. It helps to correct when someone does not know, an old habit from the last round of Presidential elections.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:40 PM
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38. Well, I respect you for that. I hope to work for Edwards, but
would work for any of the following serious contenders in order:

Gore
Edwards
Clark
Clinton
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:47 PM
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39. Edwards is a decent guy.
There are many things to like about him. I saw him speak and shook his hand. I am a sucker for a good speech and was thrilled by what he said and the way he said it.

Good luck to you.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:50 PM
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41. Thanks. I'm going to see Edwards at UNC tomorrow! n/t
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:02 PM
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42. Have fun.
He was great when I saw him and his family was there too. The kids are adorable, Elizabeth beautiful so it was just a perfect day except for standing in the cold gully washer for 45 minutes to get in. It was worth it.
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Mikey929 Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 03:49 PM
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16. No Shot
The man has absolutely no shot at winning, but hey - if it means more screen time for the Dems, that's OK with me. But he has no shot at winning at all. So really, what's the point?

How do they decide who gets to participate in the debates?

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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:05 PM
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20. Answer
I believe all announced Democratic candidates are included in the debates by default.

He has no chance at winning, but it's about advancing his views on things like healthcare, environment, the war, among others. He had a plan for withdrawal (as did Dean) in 2004 that was virtually the same as the one being put forth now. It would have saved 2,000+ lives of American soldiers and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. It's important to have those in the debate who can speak freely since they have no hope of winning and therefore do not need to cater to independents.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:03 PM
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48. I don't remember Howard Dean advocating withdrawal in 2004.
Howard Dean was against the Iraq Wwar before it started, but his position in 2004 seemed to be the now that we're there, we have to stay.
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:08 PM
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51. I have a questions for all the nay-sayers?
What makes a "serious contender"? Is it just "looking presidential"? Dennis is short, and looks a bit elvish, but Kerry looks like Herman Munster. Gore was stiff (although he doesn't seem that way now).

Is it having experience? Obama is a one term Senator, that's not much experience. Several presidents were Governors - George W. had been elected twice but had only served his first term before waltzing off to be president. He was a terrible Governor. I'm from Texas and I didn't vote for him for Governor, why would I have voted for him for president. Kucinich has been a congressman since 1994.

Is it because he is too liberal? A vegan? Or is it just because the mainstream media and the "lord high muck-etty muck, consultacracy" have decided that he is "unelectable"? They aren't the people we are. We need to overthrow these king-makers and decide for ourself. We need someone who is on our side and not out just for themselves.

Dennis worked hard during the 2004 election. He campaigned his heart out and although he only got 1 or 2 percent in the early primaries, he got higher percentages as we went along getting 17% in Minnesota and I believe a similar amount in (I think Maine) and 31.2% of the vote in Hawaii. Although his campaign criss-crossed the country, he was alway back in Washington for votes and didn't miss any important votes unlike Kerry and Lieberman who were AWOL a lot due to their campaigns.

There are some differences this time. I would guess that even if it isn't really high, Kucinich's name recognition is much higher than it was last time. Not only that he is married so there should be any kind of speculation about his sexual orientation - I know, it doesn't prove you're not gay to be married but it does usually end media speculation. But the major reason that this time is different is that he was right about needing to get out of the war and this time the majority of Americans agree with him.

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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:13 PM
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54. Great post NT
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:03 PM
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19. Spammers suck!
You think anyone here is going to be more likely to vote for Kucinich after you've spammed the place? It just makes me think how pathetic his support must be.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:07 PM
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21. Actually, Kucinich is not within the top 5 Dems on my list.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 04:09 PM by Infinite Hope
...so it's not in the least about helping his candidacy. He has 0 chance at winning.

What IS important, however is dialogue. His issues are very relevant to the interests of many groups on here so it's makes sense to raise the issue and get dialogue going that includes those groups and take the focus for the moment of the hypothetical candidacies of others.

If you don't want a very thorough dialogue that *actively* includes and solicits the views of those in specific groups (GBLT, Environmentalists, Health) you probably shouldn't be on DU.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:09 PM
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22. No, you wanted to spam the place and annoy other people.
Don't try to act like you have some sort of high minded intent. You're spamming the place and creating a problem.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:23 PM
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23. Since you edited to slip in an insult, I'll respond...
We love a good debate at DU. Maybe what you haven't noticed that in your extensive time here, is we don't appreciate YOUR "debate" being shoved down our throats via spamming the board. Perhaps the forums you're used to using have members who are unable to discuss things unless it's not only spoon fed to them but force fed. I can assure you this is not the case at DU.

You are in no way advancing debate. You are only creating ill will. Maybe it's YOU who shouldn't be at DU.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:25 PM
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24. Actually I edited to input the first line.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 04:30 PM by Infinite Hope
You shouldn't rush to judgment.

Now as for your accusations of supporting Kucinich, he's not my candidate. I plan on working on the campaign staff for another once their campaign begins.

EDIT: (Making sure to point out which part was added). As for the "spoon-fed" bit, that's just a matter of perspective. The reality is it was a matter of soliciting the input from those groups in this 'general politics' board. That's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Dialogue is a good thing. I solicited the opinion from groups I'm interested in hearing from (Environment, healthcare, GLBT...) and you can solicit the opinion from the groups you have an interest in. That's democracy. That's dialogue. It's a beautiful thing. :toast:
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:27 PM
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25. You have no credibility now.
I can't believe what you've edited and what you haven't. Spammers rank very low for trustworthiness.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:31 PM
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27. Thank you Captain Credibility. :)
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:35 PM
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29. How many times are you going to change your story?
Why would anyone believe what a spammer says he did or didn't do? And not only a non-credible spammer, but one who likes to tell other posters they don't belong here after two whole months on the board. Looks like we've gotten a great addition here. :eyes:

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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:41 PM
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31. My "story" never changed.
And I never said you don't belong here. I want you to contribute to the valuable discussion of Kucinich while it's relevant and newsworthy. Everyone's input on each candidate is valuable, especially for an announced candidate. Being Kucinich is clearly defined from the other candidates, it's relevant and valuable to get the input from the few groups that are directly tied to his liberal positions or may generally have interesting input.

The groups from which input was sought was very calculated, not random "spam." Perhaps you do not like Kucinich and so it rubbed you wrong to have a thorough discussion of him. However, while he's not in my top tier of candidate preferences, I have a great deal of respect for him having met him and spoken to him in the past on issues.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:52 PM
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34. You've changed your story twice so far.
When you edit your posts after I've responded you are changing your story, especially when it changes what I was responding to. Also, when you say:

If you don't want a very thorough dialogue that *actively* includes and solicits the views of those in specific groups (GBLT, Environmentalists, Health) you probably shouldn't be on DU.


Then you are definitely telling me I don't belong here. To say otherwise now is just stupid.

And yes it was spam. Posting the same message to six different sub forums is spam, however "calculated" you seem to think it was.

Lastly, don't try to use a straw man argument like saying I'm only pissed because I don't like Kucinich. That's a truly asinine comment. I like every Dem running so far so you'll have to do better than that. I just don't like spammers who think their ideas or comments are more important than those of others. Post a message then let people respond. Don't clog up the forum posting it over and over. That, and you telling me I don't belong on a forum I've used for the last 5 1/2 years, is where I have a problem.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:57 PM
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35. Adding to posts isn't changing my story, it's trying to limit the number of comments I
already have due to responding to your ridiculousness. There's no reason to post two replies to one of your comments when I can just add to the one I already have as additional thoughts come to mind.

Further, my statement about you not being on DU was an "IF" statement which means it's hypothetical, not a direct command. See English 101.

I'm done responding to you. All the points have been made. If you want a response to your redundant distortions of words, go back and reread what I've said. It's pretty explicit and there's nothing to be read into it. I mean only what I say and say only what I mean.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 05:02 PM
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36. Awwwwww! Poor little spammer's upset now?
I was having fun, now you're taking your ball and going home. Of course, you managed to throw in some more insults and such, but I'm sure you'll edit it to "respond". Enjoy that. :)
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CrazyForKucinich Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:29 PM
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26. Kucinich will defintely do better than he did in 2004
He set up a nice netroots campaign last time that will get him out of the gate faster.

He took almost 20% of the vote in Minnesota's Caucus. There are people who want to hear the man speak.

When can I start donating money?
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:32 PM
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28. I didn't realize he took 20% in Minnesota.
I was away on internship and didn't see the results for the candidates. Thanks for your Minnesota input!!!
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CrazyForKucinich Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. 16.8%...I like to round up. =)
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 04:42 PM by CrazyForKucinich
http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20040302/ElecRsl...

Those aren't even all the votes...I think he actually finished with 18 percent of the vote if memory serves me right.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:42 PM
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33. Someone earlier thought he won Hawaii, though I haven't checked to verify.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 04:44 PM by Infinite Hope
I'll update this comment when I have.

Edit: He took second behind Kerry with 26%. Very interesting.

Hawaii results:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/states...
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 01:14 PM
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52. Actually in the final total...
he received 30.2% behind Kerry's 47.1%

http://www.kpua.net/news.php?id=1538
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:25 PM
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56. Kucinich nearly WON the Alaska caucuses outright
We'd have controlled the convention delegation if only the Kerry campaign people hadn't locked their delegates in a private room at the state convention so we couldn't talk to them after the first fan-out.
He won outright in Juneau and Fairbanks in the first round of caucuses.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 09:07 PM
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49. He won 3 Delegates in North Carolina! Would you Believe? ...
He can get votes...or he wouldn't put himself out there. And, he's one we "Get out of Iraq" voters can rally round. He's very good on all other issues for Dems, too.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 04:40 PM
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30. I really respect Dennis Kucinich
a great deal. He provides a voice that is sorely missing on the political scene and will force other candidates to heed his words. While I have another candidate of choice, my respect and adoration of a man of principle knows no bounds! Go Dennis! :yourock:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 06:42 PM
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43. Great NEWS? Got my checkbook ready! Good on Him!
:party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party: :toast:

well...you get where I'm coming from....
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:32 PM
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44. the record and the substance
Peace Majority (composite of a variety of organizations working to reduce military spending and who favor diplomacy over military intervention see list of sponsoring organizations of Peace Majority) link:

http://www.peacemajority.org//index.html

To see a breakdown of how this score is tabulated:

Link: http://www.peacemajority.org/scorecard/scorecard.jsp?pe...

Representative Dennis Kucinich:

Final Score: 151.0/152.0 votes=99%
_____________________

Senator Hillary Clinton:

Final Score: 75.0/133.0 votes=56%

Senator Barack Obama:

Final Score: 38.0/68.0 votes=56%

Senator Evan Bayh:

Final Score: 46.0/133.0 votes=35%

Senator Joseph Biden

Final Score: 70.0/133.0 votes=53%
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 07:32 PM
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45. Kick! because even though MS Corporate Media give this little Attention...
folks who knew him from '04 are thrilled with this news!
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:24 PM
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46. Good luck to a good man.
Edited on Mon Dec-11-06 08:24 PM by Casablanca
He's going to need it. Give 'em hell, Dennis.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 08:58 PM
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47. Very cool.
DK never disappoints yet always surprises.
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-11-06 10:21 PM
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50. I like that he's a determined voice in the debates on a national healthcare program n/t
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Bushknew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:05 PM
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53. Hes no political weather vain like Clinton, Kerry or Gore.

My Hero
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-12-06 04:20 PM
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55. 1 good thing w/him running is that he'll bring up issues the others are afraid to
and that will have a snowball effect on the rest of field, who will then be forced into talking about issues they might have otherwise skirted around.

It's a shame that Kucinich doesn't seem to stand a fair chance of winning. He's probably closer to true Democratic values than any other Dems out there.
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