Being pro-impeachment gave democrats edge!

[happydreams]

Chairman John Conyers Jr. Chairman Henry Waxman. Those titles will prove to be the most important outcome of yesterday's elections, even if the Dems get the Senate too. It's investigation and impeachment time. Vice President Cheney has already announced his plans to "probably" refuse to obey a subpoena from Congress. Democrats need to be preparing for that crisis now. And I don't mean just elected Democrats. I mean you and everyone you know who has the sanity to no longer call themselves Republicans. I mean you, Harold Meyerson, who published an op-ed in the Washington Post advocating a bait and switch: run on health care and education and then take up impeachment after the election. It is now after the election. I mean you, Arianna Huffington, who argued that impeachment would distract from the election and could be addressed later. It’s later now. And before you start whimpering about the 2008 elections looming, consider this….....


...In each of the nine cases in the past when one party has raised impeachment, that party has benefitted in the next elections. In other cases when a party has failed to press for impeachment when the grounds for it were widely known, that party has suffered. (Remember Iran Contra?) And look at what just happened yesterday.

Exit polls reported that voters by a margin of 62 – 33 percent voted on national, not local, issues. They voted for four, closely bunched, national reasons: corruption, terrorism, the economy, and Iraq. By 57 – 41 percent they disapproved of Bush's handling of Iraq. They didn't give a damn about taxes or "values" or local pork......

Impeachment supporter Keith Ellison won a seat from Wisconsin as the first Muslim in Congress by speaking out for accountability. Progressive candidates backed by Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) who spoke out against the war and for accountability, and who won, include Sherrod Brown, John Hall, and Jerry McNerney. Some will recall that PDA backed promising antiwar candidate Christine Cegalis in the Democratic primaries, and that the DCCC imported a candidate from out of state and dumped a ton of cash on her to squeak out a win: pro-war Tammy Duckworth. Yesterday she lost.

... more


http://www.democrats.com/node/10875

[mike_c]

1. kick and a recommendation....

eom

[In Truth We Trust]

2. K&R Vice President Cheney has already announced his plans to "probably" refuse to obey a subpoena

Impeach the guilty! Rule of Law!?!

[helderheid]

3. K&R

[Hissyspit]

4. Yeayah...

Dig it.

[GetTheRightVote]

5. It is time that the liers pay their dues to this nation they lied to.

:kick:

[Bicoastal]

6. (Sigh)

He has but two years left--let's not waste the public's goodwill by squandering in it something that was tried twice already and didn't work. Despite Bush's popularity plummeting (especially after today), not enough of the public supports forcing the guy out of office, and that was something Newt failed to notice until it was too late.

[happydreams]

7. Too few posts for me to know where your coming from. nt

[Hubert Flottz]

41. K&R...

Yeah but I'll bet I can guess and I won't need my other two guesses to get it right!

"NO MAN IS ABOVE THE LAW!" It's what the republicans said about Bill Clinton's sex life! They won the next election!

Edit...Let's talk about ED...Mass Electile Dysfunction happened to the GOP yesterday because...PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILITY!

[sce56]

38. I will tell you this I feel it is the world of diffrence a BJ VS 3K Dead Soldiers

Based on LIES and WAR PROFITEERING! Not to mention the approximatively half a million dead civilians in Iraq! The endless wars to feed the war profiteers! We need to investigate and the Downing St Memos will give the basis for impeachment.

Watching Dean on TDS he says no to impeachment but once the evidence comes out that they LIED about WMD they LIED about 911 AND THEY CHEATED to get into Office and get RE-Selected by bogus Voting Software and Voter suppression the country will demand his ass in jail no PARDONS THIS TIME!

October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!

[churchofreality]

51. Do we want to win a battle or the war??

If they go too hard after Bush we will lose the middle again. I wish the rest of the country was a super-liberal like myself, but the fact is, in order to win nationwide, the democratic party HAS to be the big tent party. The republicans can only go so far with white rich people and Nascar dads. We would not have won this election if Pelosi and Reid were screaming about impeachment, gun control, gay marriage and abortion rights. If they flip the switch and start promoting an agenda that is too extreme, we will be toast in '08. Hearings are a good start, if things are turned up that are devastating, then impeachment won't even be necessary, the damage will be done.

[Barack_America]

8. No. Being Non-Republican gave them the edge

Being non-"stay the course" gave them the edge.

Do you really, honestly think that the voters of this country want to hold impeachment hearings about Iraq when soldiers are still dying in Iraq? NOT.A.CHANCE.

[happydreams]

13. Ugh, Nixon during Vietnam? Until he resigned under threat of

impeachment.

[tritsofme]

19. For most of the country Vietnam was over in 1974. nt

[happydreams]

20. Watergate happened in 72' during the war and

the news was inundated with it.

You are really snipping at the edges here. :eyes:

BTW Are you for impeachment?

[tritsofme]

26. For me the war ended with the draft in 73

Watergate took over the news as Vietnam faded away.

I don't think we should come out the gates pushing for impeachment, but if the investigations lead up down that road, then so be it.

[Hubert Flottz]

42. IMPEACH, to stop the further effusion of American blood in Iraq.

America is awash in the blood of the lambs in Iraq and the war based on lies and made up goals as we've gone along is simply unforgivable!

The next dead trooper in Iraq, could be YOUR son. WE CAN STOP THIS!

[AntiWarPoster]

9. Ellison won in Minnesota, not Wisconsin

nt

[Swamp Rat]

10. IMPEACH BUSH!

[happydreams]

14. Now that's LOUD! Thanks Mr. Rat.

:hi:

[laugle]

35. Hi Swamp.....nice to see you....hope all is well!

I miss your artwork in GD&P come visit once in awhile!!

[Maven]

11. Agreed. And being anti-war was PIVOTAL despite what Rahm Emanuel et al say

and despite those who want Dems to lay down now that they actually have power.

LIBERALISM is the ideological engine of the Democratic Party, and liberals are the Dems who will make a difference (and make headlines) in the upcoming Congress.

[Barack_America]

12. BIG difference between being anti-war and pro-impeachment! nt

[Canuckistanian]

15. Keith Ellison was inerviewed on our CBC radio

Right after Bernie Sanders.

What an intelligent man. You should be proud to have him as a member of Congress.

[happydreams]

16. He said it! Its about ACCOUNTABILITY.

[Pragmatic Pilgrim]

25. We made him accountable at the polls, but maybe...

we could clap him into Gitmo, if we have the Oval Office after '08. The laws he passed would let us do that.

Look, I agree he qualifies 1,000% for impeachment. I just think it would be suicidal for our nacent majority to devote its energies to impeachment between now and '08.

God, how I hate to say that! But to paraphrase the old saying, "Living in the White House is the best revenge."

[Hubert Flottz]

43. Would you let all the serial murderers out to roam the streets at...

will too and give them the keys to the most military power on the planet! Someone who murders thousands and smirks and freakin' be-bops, brags and prances around on TV about it!

Charles Manson sent his "family" out to murder in California, Bush sent our military to do the same thing in Iraq.

Edit...Does Bush have to start eating bodies, for people to see what he is?

[opihimoimoi]

49. Bush was the WORST them GOPers sent to the WhiteHouse...he deserves

to be impeached/censored/imprisoned/whatever....

We have the wooden stake...lets use it....

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Yet another kick and another nom.

We impeachment hawks are not alone.

[happydreams]

21. Thanks Husb2Sparkly.

:hi:

Keep this fire burning.

[Fovea]

18. The mandates from this election

in order
1. end the occupation of Iraq.
2. impeach the criminal administration. Burn it to the ground -- even the paleocons are ok with this down deep.
3. rescue the middle class
4. universal health care
5. deal with oil dependancy, climate change.

If we fail to address these mandates, we will not be doing what America is hired us to do.

Not false collegiality, good gods, why can't the corporate wing of the party see this?

[dchill]

22. K&R&I

[gully]

23. That's odd because Pelosi said she wasn't pushing impeachment.

eom

[mtnsnake]

24. K&R!

[Morgana LaFey]

27. Now all we have to do is...

get Speaker Pelosi's attention.

Sigh.

She strikes me as particularly hard-headed on this issue.

[Pragmatic Pilgrim]

28. Funny: I was for it when we were out, but not now that we're in.

Guess I'd rather hang onto the power to reverse his harm than gamble all that power on stopping his paycheck.

[Cafe Americano]

29. Impeachment is a bad idea

Making statements about impeachment in a campaign and actually carrying it out are two entirely different things.

[earth mom]

30. Impeach Now! Don't listen to the Dinos or the DLCers!

Make no mistake, they are here on DU in full force!

[RestoreGore]

58. Sure looks that way to me n/t

[RagingInMiami]

31. IMPEACH THE FUCKING CRIMINAL!

[Mind_your_head]

32. Hell, by definition, Republicans have already been impeached!!!!

Main Entry: 1im·peach
Pronunciation: im-'pEch
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English empechen, from Anglo-French empecher, enpechier to ensnare, impede, prosecute, from Late Latin impedicare to fetter, from Latin in- + pedica fetter, from ped-, pes foot -- more at FOOT
1 a : to bring an accusation against b : to charge with a crime or misdemeanor; specifically : to charge (a public official) before a competent tribunal with misconduct in office c : to remove from office especially for misconduct
2 : to cast doubt on; especially : to challenge the credibility or validity of <impeach the testimony of a witness>

Let's make it all official (and it doesn't have to be a long, dragged out affair ~ quick and firm would be best ~ because we've got a lot of "repair work" to do in this country!)

[happydreams]

53. Even the repugs were saying that this was a vote against Bush.

[understandinglife]

33. Recommended.

BE AMERICA. ---

[everythingsxen]

34. K&R....

[steve2470]

36. k&r nt

[sce56]

37. We need an Impeachment forum here if we don't already have one!

And we need to get Madam Speaker Nancy to not only drain the moat but restore our constitutional rights and freedoms.

How about we start a new forum here on DU to put all the ideas of what needs to be desperately fixed like the freedom to march and protest in front of the white house! This would be for our True Blue Representatives to keep our voices at them. I happen to live in a repPuglican district with Liebold machines so who knows if he really was re-elected.



October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!

[AntiFascist]

39. K&R, thanks for posting this happydreams!

We need to get through to Pelosi and others that they also work for the people of the United States, not vice versa, and that there are deep problems with the government in which they are participating. I can understand working with the Republicans on pushing through necessary legislation and, of course, they should strive to do that. Meanwhile I also hope, and we should ALL BE WATCHING, that judicial responsibilities and investigations are carried through as fully as possible without compromising with those who would prefer to carry on the culture of corruption. If they do compromise, then they are little better than the criminals themselves and are not doing our nation any good in the long run!

[Vidar]

40. K&R. Thanks happydreams.

[Hubert Flottz]

44. Kick!

:kick: them all out!

[opihimoimoi]

50. Kick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and R'd

:kick: out the GOP...they have failed America....

[El Fuego]

45. This part is something people need to be reminded of:

"In each of the nine cases in the past when one party has raised impeachment, that party has benefitted in the next elections. In other cases when a party has failed to press for impeachment when the grounds for it were widely known, that party has suffered. (Remember Iran Contra?) And look at what just happened yesterday."

[happydreams]

52. That is real interesting isn't it.

[rinsd]

56. Except it isn't true.

I am not sure what the hell Swanson is citing or what he id defining as raising the issue but impeachment has been raised more than that and the party doing so has not always benefitted.

[savemefromdumbya]

46. The fact that Democrats 'could' impeach is probably more threatening

I would think that Bush and Cheney having the impeachment thing dangled over their heads is nerve racking and can serve as a 'you'll have to support us or we'll........'

When things have settled down the 9/11 commission can be re-opened and that should clear out the lot of them.

I do worry about our judicial system

[partylessinOhio]

47. It is OUR constitutional and moral duty to impeach this thing who has

masqueraded as our president. We have witnessed what he did and have remained silent. If we continue to remain silent we are part of the problem and just as guilty.

This is deadly serious. This was not over oral sex. This is about acts against our Constitution involving lies about a sovereign nation, invasion of a sovereign nation based on those lies, resulting in the deaths of thousands of our own troops as well as the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, elderly, women and innocent children. We should go further into his government secrecy, usurping power, invasion of our privacy, taking away our constitutional rights, torture, and incarceration of persons on foreign soil without benefit of oversight by the Red Cross or their attorneys. I'm sure better minds than mine can add to the list of articles of impeachment.

If Nancy Pelosi wants to play dictator of the table top games, we need to send her a firm message that we the people are not going to stand for her obstruction.

Impeach NOW!

[Mind_your_head]

60. Hear, hear!!!! n/t

[Laelth]

48. Hear, hear!

Bush MUST be impeached. More here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2657058

:applause:

:dem:

-Laelth

[LynneSin]

54. All we want is an investigation

There is absolutely no need to slap the label "IMPEACHMENT" on it - that'll happen naturally once we expose him for the crook he is!

[rinsd]

55. Looks like some on our side have little use for facts.

"pro-war Tammy Duckworth"

Pro-war? What utter bullshit. She lost a very close race.

"promising antiwar candidate Christine Cegalis"

Who couldn't win in a Democratic primary, who was then going to win in Hyde's old district? When she had lost previously?

I would have supported either but to give the impression this was a win is a bunch of bullshit.

"
In each of the nine cases in the past when one party has raised impeachment, that party has benefitted in the next elections. In other cases when a party has failed to press for impeachment when the grounds for it were widely known, that party has suffered. (Remember Iran Contra?) And look at what just happened yesterday."

Yeah if only you take the crazed ranting of one Congressman(pre 96) as opposed to actually proceeding with impeachment.

And the Rad Republicans did not take power because they were talking about impeaching Johnson.

[happydreams]

61. Johnson? Do you have any facts on this?

[dchill]

57. I'm convinced...

that there is more public support for impeachment than the MSM would have us believe. I think it was a reason to vote FOR, not AGAINST Democrats. If the pRes has broken the law multiple times - as he has - then why is the negative light cast on the pro-impeachment crowd? Letting this lunatic continue in office is far more damaging to our republic than an impeachment proceeding could ever be.

[RestoreGore]

59. Impeachment Is A Moral Imperative!n/t

[upi402]

62. good work- happy!

didn't know duckworth was dccc and pro-war
hmmm

[happydreams]

63. thanks

[porphyrian]

64. Impeachment is imperative.

If we believe in the Constitution, the course of action is clear.

[orpupilofnature57]

65. Impeachment or Bust !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kurovski]

66. K&R

It makes sense. I mean, since when do we decide whether or not to investigate crimes?

I don't like coddling criminals. I'm very conservative that way. ;-)

[greeneggs708]

67. WRONG

America said, we are really sick of both parties. But we have seen what the Bush Cabal can do, and it sucks.

Well here is your chance, Democrats.

So are you going to fix things. Or spend two years bitching about Bush.

Seems like you have your answer here. BITCH, BITCH, BITCH.

You got the Senate by a vote. You think that spell impeachment. Yeah, right.

And any crimes with intelligence, they will just go into a back room like Iran Contra.

So spend two years being a dreamer. And kiss your ass goodbye in 2008.

Or spend two years cleaning up the mess. And you will win plenty from both sides.

AMERICA SAID WE WANT SOMETHING DONE. THEY DID NOT SAY, LET'S SPEND TWO YEARS TALKING ABOUT IT.