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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:08 PM
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THIS MUST GET TO KEITH OLBERMAN!!
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 12:41 PM by happydreams
The election fraud issue has alot of twists and turns. But the main issue is this: The corrupted counts always go in favor of Republicans. If Olberman could hammer this it would go a long way toward ending the argument that there are "glitches" that somehow magically balance out.


18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeRe...

http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=N...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm



19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee/news/local/7...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10544-20...



20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.
http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAftermath04/ThreeRe...

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/governmen...

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens_of_thousands...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

http://uscountvotes.org /

source here:http://nightweed.com/printableusavotefacts.html





Here are some other oddities that should fuel the fire of reform.




1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/04280...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold



2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/04280...



3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/private_company.h...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/04280...



4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main63...

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886



5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/0...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/031004Fitrakis/031...



6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?name=News&fil...

http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/new_hagel27.ht...



8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/042804Landes/04280...




9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evotestates/pfin...



10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm



11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm



12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml



13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf



15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/26/loc_elexoh....



16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://www.bbvdocs.org/videos/baxterVPR.mov .)
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190



17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/sunday/main63...


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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:11 PM
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1. Who has an account "over there."
The assholes on those other sites are already commenting on this, and saying that if it was true, "how come we never heard about it in the news?"

Maybe if they'd change the channel from Faux and Nickelodean, they'd know more of what is going on.

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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:12 PM
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2. excellent compilation! recommended. (n/t)
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sarahlee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:15 PM
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3. Texas machines now flipping votes from Democrats to Republicans
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:16 PM
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4. there's plenty of "debunking" DU'ers who need this info
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 12:16 PM by nashville_brook
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:17 PM
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:17 PM
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6. Good work! Now...let's pass this around!
:bounce:
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:17 PM
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7. 7 of your first 8 links don't work ......
nice compilation I agree but you might want to update the links or something. A lot of page 'not found' for me ..... Peace.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:21 PM
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11. Thanks for that.
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:27 PM
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15. Your quite welcome ....
your argument is sound, "The corrupted counts always go in favor of Republicans" ...... believe me I've looked into all this too since the 2004 election, my head spins with all the evidence, information and such. Carry on, thanks for staying informed and informing others. Peace. :)
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grizmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:17 PM
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8. K & R
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:19 PM
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9. You can't miss BRADBLOG.com ! + recommend
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 12:20 PM by kansasblue

State Rep Reports ES&S Touch-Screens Dropping Candidate Names, Flipping Straight Ticket Ballots from Democratic to Republican in San Antonio!


http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3697


San Diego County Registrar Sends Pre-Programmed, Election-Ready, Hackable Diebold Touch-Screen Voting Machines Home With Pollworkers on 'Sleepovers' More Than Three Weeks Prior to Election!

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3685

MIAMI HERALD: Touch-Screen Votes Hopping from Democrats to Republicans in South Florida!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3692
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:19 PM
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10. Don't worry. They're looking into Hugo Chavez fiddling with votes
I mean, if the Democrats win, it's going to be because Hugo Chavez stole the election for the Left! It's all the Democrats fault because they didn't stand up and say anything! Democrats have been covering up for a stolen election!

(No, I don't watch Faux but have no doubt this is what's coming.)

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:38 PM
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18. One thing about Hugo swinging the votes
If Venezuela is rigging the machines they must be suicidal. Hell, all the "glitches" go to the Repugs? :crazy:
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:25 PM
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12. Lou Dobbs!
He's ahead of KO on this issue.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:27 PM
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14. Do you have a line on him?
Get it out to as many as possible.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:41 PM
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19. Specifically, Kitty Pilgrim's been the go to girl for the voting machines
Each time Lou's had a piece about the machines, it's Kitty who reports. :shrug:

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:26 PM
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13. Is there any scientific study to demonstrate this?
It could easily be argued that we would only hear about the mistakes that favor Repubs over Dems, since the Repubs aren't coming over here to complain about mistakes they have found. We are the ones looking for erros, so we are going to be the ones finding them. And since we aren't voting Republican, naturally all the mistakes we find will be flipping votes to the Repubs.

Two questions whose answers would help us: One, is it true that all of the mistakes are going against us? If so, there is obvious and definite cheating going on, so proving this would win the argument for us, irregardless of the Republican arguments. Two, are there just as many unreported mistakes against the Republicans? If so, then the machines are horribly flawed, and even the Republicans would agree that we need reform, because it would run the risk of hurting them, too.

Either answer helps us, but we need a study (not a statistical analysis based on misunderstood polling data) to prove it, either way.

I have a suspicion which answer is true, btw, but I'm staying objective here. :)
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:35 PM
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16. Excellent points. One quick answer
The Repuggies NEVER voice concerns about the machines and NEVER work towards improving the vote count accuracy.

At least not to my knowledge. If the Repugs had a complaint some corporate owned Press would have made as much noise as the hype about Venezuela owning a machine company we are hearing about now.

When you think about it the Venezuela ownership as a factor in swinging elections is absurd. Hell, all the "mistakes" go to the Rethugs?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:38 PM
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17. thank you bev harris for tinfoil hat.
why isn't this front and center? bev harris painted the issue crazy. put the tinfoil hat on us all.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:04 PM
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20. Kick n/t
:kick:
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 04:33 PM
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21. Blow the Cover off the GOP GOTV Myth
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 04:37 PM by pat_k
They are one trick ponies.

"The plan" as always is to steal as much as they can in as many places as they can.

Whatever they do, they can't pull off the theft without a COVER STORY.

The mythical GOP GOTV effort is that COVER STORY.

Keith could be key to blowing the Cover Off It.

Ask him to get David Shuster on It! Get Monica Novotny on it!

The machines are just one danger of many. You can't count (or miscount) votes that are never cast. (They will be barring voters from voting, there will be poll tax lines -- things that can get missed if the media folk just focus on the machines. . .)

Due to efforts of folks across the nation the problem with secret and corruptable vote counters (i.e., DREs) are finally being recognized. There have been many "saves," but the fascist minions are busy, busy, bees.

As folks here have been reporting, they have already successfully purged registered voters, created registration forms with confusing and redundant checkboxes (and failed to notify voters when their registrations were deemed "invalid"). . . on and on.

October 3, 2006 http://www.emergingdemocraticmajorityweblog.com/donkeyrising/archives/001542.php">Republican GOTV Machine: Fact or Myth?
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:55 PM
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22. K&R Hand Counted Paper Ballots NOW! ...or Fascism Forever.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 06:35 PM
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23. Oregon has a 100% mail in system that seems to be working well.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 06:52 PM
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24. Yep -- I voted last night. On my bed.
Sent in my ballot today. I love vote by mail.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:46 PM
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26. If everyone nationwide could agree on one system, as they
have in Oregon, then it would be a matter of putting it into law. Have there been any problems in Oregon?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 12:43 AM
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27. If we've had problems, they've been minor.
I've never heard of anything major, and can't recall anything minor, either, off the top of my head. It seems to go very smoothly. The best thing is they provide you with a substantial voters' guide. You can read up on the candidates and ballot measures, and see who is for and who is against something, all at your leisure and with your ballot in front of you. I tend to vote almost exclusively on who is for and who is against something. If groups like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, and environmental advocates say to vote for or against something, I do. I figure they spend a lot of time doing the research for me.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 07:42 PM
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25. Finally the MSM is discussing the problems w/
e-voting...so I get worried. So the repugnants are 'allowing' this because they are afraid the Dems are going to win. Then the repugs say the election was 'stolen.'

Are they just setting this up so they have an excuse for the loss???? I don't think it'll work, but these assholes will try anything. It's starting to be laughable...don't you think?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-02-06 01:56 PM
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34. But if the Repugs start talking about "stolen elections" then that
would open the thing up to investigation, which would come back to bite them hard. :crazy:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 03:59 AM
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28. Olberman is great, but he can't do everything. (nt)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 08:52 AM
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29. As an election reform activist, I have been regularly sending KO info w links
sinc his coverage of the '04 OH theft to no avail. I thought for sure when the GAO Report on Electronic Voting came out he would surely cover it, but he didn't. I also theought when RFK Jr's article came out he would have him on his show, but he didn't. I don't understand why he has only hinted at the obvious malfeance but here's hoping he pays attention.

I have often thought perhaps their are elements within the Dem Party who have asked him to abstain, but have no idea.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 11:48 AM
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31. I heard from an insider that he won't touch 9/11 or vote fraud. Yet.
Important word: "Yet."

Ya never know, so keep emailing!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 09:12 AM
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30. Stealing GOP crossover votes
They can hardly complain or in large enough numbers if they find their votes bringing them home again, but the errors seem to cluster in Dem districts and attempted party line voting. GOP candidates are usually defrauded at primary time, make noises sometimes and are squelched anyway. They receive, in fact, the same treatment as anyone else who doesn't tow the Cheney/Rove digital line in cyberspace but have the little problem of being more embarassed or intimidated to come forward and also their smaller numbers.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 12:13 PM
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32. KEITH'S CONTACT INFO
201 583 5000 - Ask for Keith or his aide

You can email his assistant Gregg at [email protected]

And thank you for the compilations of evidence
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-01-06 12:16 PM
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33. Maybe if enough of us friendly and polite DU'ers call the number
they will wake up over there

One night when Keith commented on how absolutely jolly Bush and all the rest were despite the
Foley scandal and Abramoff and... I was sure he was gonna say "Maybe they are such jolly campers because they are going to steal it and here is how they could..." - and he would follow with a long description of the election machinery.

But no, now it is Dobbs focusing on election machinery
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