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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:16 AM
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Will America even ALLOW another stolen election?
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 12:18 AM by wcepler
Will America even ALLOW another stolen election?



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Look, they stole the 2000 Presidential election when their brown shirts stormed the elections centers in Florida. Al Gore should have been President. They also stole several midterm elections in 2002 -- elections even the repugs admitted in advance the dems had locked up. Then they stole the 2004 Presidential election with one party, black box Diebold voting machines (and several other sleazy strategies, like keeping the blacks from voting).



Now here comes November and we're already reading about hundreds of thousands of trashed Democratic votes (wrong names on the ballot, Republican candidates appearing when Democratic votes are selected, etc., etc.).



Boy, here it comes again. A tsunami of Bush/Republican voter fraud. It's almost a minor item to point out that according to the international standard for measuring voter fraud (i.e., significant statistical discrepancies between the exit polls and the recorded votes), John Kerry is now unequivocally President of the United States.



So what's the deal? What are we going to do, and by "we" I mean the great majority of the country according to all the polls. Are we just going to sit on our cans again and let them get away with it?



"Oh well" isn't going to cut it this time. THIS TIME we have to be prepared to fight! THIS TIME we've got to do whatever it takes to keep these scum from turning us into a Soviet Union. This theocracy and dictatorship of the rich has got to stop NOW! We are at the brink of the 3rd Reich, and we all know that's not an exaggeration.



The Bush/Republican are stealing EVERYTHING. Our children's futures, our heath care, our retirements, and our Constitution. They're also killing Planet Earth as we speak. Global warming is HERE and the coasts are already starting to disappear. The expanding ozone holes are now admitting massive radiation death.



So what's the moral to all this? Here's one American who just doesn't know, but who DOES believe in my quarks that THIS TIME we're going to fight: legally, morally, massive demonstrations, whatever, whatever. God in heaven, what choice do we have?



For America and Mother Nature we must "stand up and be counted". I know that's a cliche, but if let these neo Nazis steal the 2006 mid term elections, we probably won't even HAVE a Presidential election in 2008. Hell, they'll just find some way to cancel it.



This may well be the last chance we'll ever have to keep Democracy alive with a legal, constitutional election.



It's time for rage.

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wcproteus
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:22 AM
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1. I just had this conversation...
..with a college buddy on the phone. Our conclusion....yes.

Sadly.

Even he thinks some tangible proof or a whistleblower is needed. Not just comparisons to exit polls, etc.

We both hope we're wrong.

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 04:23 AM
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8. Of course tangible proof is needed.
Without it you have nothing.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 04:07 AM
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16. No, you don't need proof--what you need is PROBABLE CAUSE
Exit poll discrepancies damned well do count as probable cause.

Would you and your friend ignore a dead body in your back yard because there was no conclusive proof of foul play? I sure hope not. The very situation is ipso fatso a probable cause for investigation. Maybe the corpse just had a heart attack, but the investigation has to be done.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:25 AM
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2. If voting machines are so easy to rig, why don't we rig some?
Hell, why let the repukes steal everything? Why don't we get some Dem voting poll workers to cut down the number of voting machines in repuke districts?

The reason Ohio could be stolen was because Blackwell was a repuke sec of state and that the time given to vote is less than one day. He could cause disenfranchisement and there was not enough time to do anything about it.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:29 AM
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3. The Repubs apparently plan to eliminate Sequoia machine votes.
They are claiming that the company is aligned with Chavez so the machines can't be trusted.

(Diebold is aligned with the Repubs so of course those machines are infallible.)

But unless some undefendable proof emerges, they will get away with it.

I'm 100% sure that Democrats will overwhelmingly win the votes but I still don't
have confidence that the Republicans will lose unless someone can PROVE that the
election was deliberately manipulated.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:33 AM
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4. no, it won't
Not with the anger I'm seeing and hearing. I hear it from everywhere -- and my family ranges widely across the States. If they
try to rig another election (and I believe they'll try -- once a sociopath, always a sociopath), they will need their re-writing of the Insurrection Act (and all the other fascism Bush has put in place) to keep back the response, especially from young people with little left to lose.

It also will not merely be an "in the streets" phenomenon. I think we're going to see a cultural backlash of people against the Federal government in very passive, legal and non-violent ways. I really wonder if these cretins have any notion what they're about to unleash. What are they going to do next? Force people to have faith in the economy when they stop buying things? There isn't enough legislation in the world to do that. Depression isn't just an economic phenomenon, it's a psychological one.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:37 AM
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5. Even though I'm against violence, I hope you're right.
Over a year ago I felt this was going to lead to a civil war here at home.
I still feel that way. It's the only thing that may get these monsters to back down.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:40 AM
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6. Most of America won't even know - or care - if the election is stolen. I'm the
only one in my extended family that is even going to vote this election.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:26 AM
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14. Sadly, you are quite correct.....n/t
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:19 AM
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15. And that's another problem, we can't know the true result w/ evoting
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wundermaus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:20 AM
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7. the trap is set... rage is the bait
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 02:23 AM by vmaus
If we really want to kill this monster dead in its tracks, don't feed it the violence it thirsts for... shut down the country. Stop buying everything but what is absolutely necessary. Pay off all your debts and then pay only with cash. Don't go anywhere unless it is absolutely necessary. Turn off the televisions and radios. Cancel your newspapers and magazines. Stop all business as usual and stay home. Do not gather in groups where they can fake or incite riots and then attack us. Do this for months and the corrupt system will collapse without a shot being fired.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:49 AM
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9. Most Americans
wouldn't care if all elections were suspended. That's how selfishly stupid we have become.
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:06 AM
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10. depending on who you listen to . . .

the polls are all over the map, and to some extent or other, confusion reigns. and
I am sure the media will spend the next week muddying the water up even more.

perfect environment for shenanigans.

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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:10 AM
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11. Millions of people dont care.
Jesus is coming next week to do THE GREAT FLOAT OFF for his rich white Republican pals. And they are all going to vote for God's Party no matter what.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:41 AM
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12. "We"
as in the activists, will continue to do what we always do. "They," those who haven't even NOTICED the Constitution in shreds much less done anything about it, will continue to be entertained by whatever new shiny thing the MSM obligingly feeds them.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 12:58 AM
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13. How Will America Stop It?
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