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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:13 PM
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Homeland Security Chief Says the Web is Dangerous:
From Blog: How to Save the World:

Homeland Security Chief Says the Web is Dangerous: According to Wired, Chertoff is telling the Bushies that the Web allows people to 'learn' to be dissatisfied with the American Way, and then learn how to be terrorists. A perfect example of the blinkered conservative worldview that it's better to shelter people from truths that are not pleasant. And frightening in a guy who has as much power and influence as Chertoff. Thanks to fouroboros for the link.

http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:15 PM
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1. Chertoff has a right to be worried.....we are exposing their crimes.
All criminals have a problem with the truth seeing the light of day.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:17 PM
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I've been waiting for the jackboots to come up with this reason ...
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:17 PM
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2. Look out, people!!
Scary stuff is comin`.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:33 AM
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15. No shit Sherlock.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:24 PM
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3. The beginning of another excuse to control the internet....
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:25 PM
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4. I've been dissatisfied
with the "American Way" long before the internet came about.
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GoogleTheTruth Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:26 PM
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5. actual link to the article
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:31 PM
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10. Thank you - and welcome to DU!
Still, Chertoff has a point re: bomb making and the ilk. I don't like the idea of a neighbor building up a bomb to blow a bunch of people up... and if it's true that the rest of the world doesn't like us, bringing in people from around the world to train them might allow them to train themselves on these unsavory things too.

:scared:

'The truth is in the middle.' - a wise maxim.
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irislake Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:03 PM
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11. I think the danger from terrorists
is vastly over-rated. I think you are nuts to be shaking in your shoes about Al-Qaeda. How dangerous are they to you really? BUT I think you need to be VERY AFRAID of your own government. I am with those who believe they were the brains behind 9/11. I hope I live long enough to see the truth come out about 9/11. I am 68. What are the chances? The internet is certainly spreading the word about the official lies about 9/11. The mainstream won't go there. If only 16% of Americans believe the official lies it is mainly cuz of the internet. I can't believe they haven't shut it up but I'm sure that must be in the works. They need to control the information and the internet is their worst enemy.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:16 PM
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12. I agree, irislake, and welcome to DU!!!
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:27 PM
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6. Do not be afraid.
Speak up with one mighty voice. EVERYWHERE !
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:29 PM
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7. Define 'American way':
Owning a home?
Having a family?
Conversely, not having children if they preferred.
Making a living wage for doing good work.
Opportunities to advance since it's more expedient to learn while one's doing.
Helping the community?
Offering a good product to keep one's standing and quality assured?
Supporting America and its infrastructure?

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I know it to be. :shrug:

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twenty4blackbirds Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:29 PM
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8. People's Republic of China agree too
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:30 PM
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9. Well, he's right. Dangerous to him and his fascist buddies, for sure.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:46 AM
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13. It's the fascist impulse to control information.
If you control information, then you control the people. As practiced in "free" societies around the world--like China and Iran.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:02 AM
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14. The best thing is that access to information via places like the Web is........
kicking ass on many closed societies like that.
I would bet the ruling class mostly hate the explosion of information, but that is just too damn bad isn't it :-)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:36 AM
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16. Chertoff is going to make it illegal to be an American.
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 08:37 AM by The Backlash Cometh
Or better yet, Chertoff is going to ban American Freedoms because they're a threat to National Security.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:49 AM
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17. The internets are so scary!!!
:scared:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:13 AM
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18. One if by Land, Two if by Sea
They always confuse the messenger with the message. And I'm sure King George didn't like Paul Revere, either.

Walking across the street is DANGEROUS.

No, idiot. The internet is where we discuss your unpleasant actions. Not the other way around.

And to be honest, internet or not the eventual outcome of fascism is that the people don't like it. You lose with or without the net.

Join the human race!
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:21 AM
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19. The "internets" was the neo-con's big mistake
They have planned this coup for decades, taking over the media, FCC, the three branches of government, etc (yes, the vast right-wing conspiracy). Their downfall was that they "misunderestimated" technology and the internet. They would be in total, complete control if not for the information we receive, and the connections we make, from the internet.

They are attempting to rectify their mistake...and America will be lost when that day happens.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:31 AM
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20. This man is dangerous. I can't wait til he is tried and put in jail where
he belongs.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:35 AM
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21. Skelator the Dual Citizen
has no right to tell us squat.

Go f**k yourself you fascist little creep.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:41 AM
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22. The internet is dangerous ...
... to republinazi lies & propaganda.


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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:16 AM
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23. The freakin' congresspersons who voted for torture, suspension of corpus
habeas, and dictatorial powers for W must be dissatisfied with the American Way, thus terrorizing our Constitution and the American Way: almost everything emanating from a 'puke mouth is pure male bovine excrement.
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:10 AM
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24. We might need to start
thinking about creating our own wireless networks if they try to shut down the net.Connecting neighbor to neighbor-spreading out like a spider web.Keeping everyone connected despite them.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:21 AM
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25. The only people who are afraid of..
... the ideas of others are those who know their ideas are wrong.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:58 AM
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26. The Christian Coalition wants Internet freedom.
MoveOn.org and the Christian Coalition have joined forces to fight for Internet freedom.
No, this is not from the Onion.

From MoveOn:

"We never thought we'd see the day, but it's come: we're working together with the Christian Coalition. You read that right the Christian Coalition has joined everyone from Google to MoveOn to the Gun Owners of America in the fight for Internet freedom. The momentum is on our side.

Internet companies like AT&T have been trying to win this fight by telling Republicans in Congress this is just a left-wing issue. But MoveOn and the Christian Coalition have designed a full-page New York Times ad to expose the truth: people across the spectrum are united behind Internet freedom! If we get that message out, we win."

https://civ.moveon.org/donatec4/save_the_internet.html

From the ad:

"The free and open Internet has empowered everyday people across the political spectrum
to speak out, to be heard, and to effect change. Imagine an Internet operator which didnt
like the views of MoveOn.org Civic Action or the Christian Coalition. Without Internet
freedom, they could legally slow down our sites or block them altogether."
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:58 PM
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27. Scare and despair plus a false choice.
Typical Rethug attempts at manipulating the dialogue, a false choice instead of real dialogue.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:12 PM
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28. K&R although this will make it a bit harder for me to pass on greatest page...
with my music/ graphics thread over in General DU... LOL, good stuff mojo... maybe it will cut down on DU freepers, although thet're not around here so much as America sees the truth.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:02 AM
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29. The same was said about literacy among the peasants.
Let them watch Fox!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:47 AM
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30. The man is defiantly Stupid and Ignorant...get the hook
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 06:05 AM
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31. It's that GODDAMN Al Gore's fault for inventin' those internets!!
n/t
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