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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 06:29 PM
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Move-on, Kerry, Obama
Pretty good strategy. Move-on attracts young people and that is who Obama appeals to the most. His announcement was actually pretty good timing.
His email message is asking them to wake-up. He may very well be a very good GOTV inspiration for this election. His message is being tested.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 06:42 PM
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1. I hope they both move on and off the 2008 campaign trail cause we got better
David Sirota, a real live genuine Democrat, sums up Obama pretty well:
http://davidsirota.com/index.php/2006/10/27/the-audacit... /

when I read that I had to say to myself that this description of Barack reminds me of John Kerry

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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:19 PM
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3. I disagree
Edited on Sat Oct-28-06 07:24 PM by loyalsister
Obama's Move-on email had shades of Dean

"You know the kind of ads we're going to see in these last days. They'll play on our fears, they'll try to divide us, and they'll try to distract us from the real issues in this race -- the need for a new course in Iraq, for new leadership in Washington, for a new direction on health care and energy and education.

We've seen it all before, and we'll see it all again. But right now, you have the power to show America that it's not gonna work."

He asks for public participation. Power is in the hands of the people.

The thing Sirota and everyone else ignores is that none of the things we want to happen will unless we get more people on board.
Obama's "political capital" was not something that could be translated into policy. The division in Washington does not make that possible and coming off as just another "believer in belief" would not have been effective anyway. His goals are different. He is a believer in the possibility of consensus. He seems to see his potential role as a facilitator of consensus building.
He knows that Democrats do things better, but it is more effective to offer respect to the people with whom you disagree. Finding what we agree on instead of one side giving in to the other. I wonder if this may be an extension of his community organizing activities?
Those of us who have had some partisan divisions in their families might really be able to see his point.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:28 PM
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4. I agree with your assessment of Obama.
The problem is that consensus building and cooperative effort is denigrated and thought to be of no value for the most part here at DU. I think a pragmatic view of moving America forward is something at some point we are going to be forced to consider. It is the only way to move beyond the fractious gridlock we've been in the grips of for too many years. I see those qualities in Obama.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:02 PM
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6. How does a senator with very little record to examine remind you of a
senator who has the most extensive record investigating and exposing Government corruption out of any lawmaker in modern history?
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:25 PM
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8. His sheer cautiousness in the manner of Obama summed up by Sirota
except with Obama it's built in organically or hard-wired into him. Kerry once took risks but has been the purest form of a finger-to-the-wind politician for years and a rotten campaigner. He needs to look at James Webb to see how to campaign against these Repub bastards.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:30 PM
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10. Kerry made similar remarks to Webb's when he attacked the swifts - the
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 12:35 PM by blm
difference is that you didn't hear about them at the time. Must have been that McGreevey thing the corpmedia was consumed with in August, because they sure as heck didn't cover Kerry's counter moves to the swifts then.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

>>>>>
On Aug. 19, 2004 Kerry himself responded directly in a speech to the International Association of Firefighters' Convention in Boston. (from prepared remarks)
...And more than thirty years ago, I learned an important lessonwhen you're under attack, the best thing to do is turn your boat into the attacker. That's what I intend to do today.

Over the last week or so, a group called Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been attacking me. Of course, this group isnt interested in the truth and they're not telling the truth. They didn't even exist until I won the nomination for president.

But here's what you really need to know about them. They're funded by hundreds of thousands of dollars from a Republican contributor out of Texas. They're a front for the Bush campaign. And the fact that the President won't denounce what theyre up to tells you everything you need to knowhe wants them to do his dirty work.

Thirty years ago, official Navy reports documented my service in Vietnam and awarded me the Silver Star, the Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. Thirty years ago, this was the plain truth. It still is. And I still carry the shrapnel in my leg from a wound in Vietnam.

As firefighters you risk your lives everyday. You know what its like to see the truth in the moment. You're proud of what youve doneand so am I.

Of course, the President keeps telling people he would never question my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our service in Vietnam, here is my answer: "Bring it on."

I'm not going to let anyone question my commitment to defending Americathen, now, or ever. And I'm not going to let anyone attack the sacrifice and courage of the men who saw battle with me.

And let me make this commitment today: their lies about my record will not stop me from fighting for jobs, health care, and our security the issues that really matter to the American people...


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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 10:23 AM
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11. So this is like comparing softball (Kerry) to hardball (Webb)
there is really no comparison except the ball is round
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:15 PM
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7. Disagree. Sirota's description sounded much more like the cautious, triangulating Clintons.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:29 PM
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9. It sounded like the Clintons because Obama is similar to the Clintons
get it?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 10:23 AM
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12. Sirota is a fraud
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:17 PM
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5. GOTV! It is easy and all it takes is an hour - I just finished 2hrs - give it a try!
GOTV! It is easy and all it takes is an hour - I just finished 2hrs - give it a try!

GOTV! http://pol.moveon.org/phone/volunteer/c4c.html
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