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Check12 Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:22 AM
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What will happen if the exit polls are way off from official results?
I have been thinking that if these guys are willing to out CIA agents, illegally rendition and torture people, then legislate away the constitution, they will have no problem with fixing an election. Really, what is the downside for stealing an election? Nothing!No major party leader has ever been prosecuted for election theft, as far as I know.

So.. What will happen if the exit polls show a dem landslide and official results have the R's on top?

Will the American people just yawn and grab the remote because idol is on?

Please tell me they will not let this happen. :cry:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:24 AM
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1. DON'T BORROW TROUBLE!! I'm sick of reading this shit! nt
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Check12 Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:28 AM
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3. If you are sick of logical thought then thats a problem for you
BORROW TROUBLE???? When we disagree we do better when we explain ourselves, sorry if I popped your ballon.

Jeez.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:36 AM
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4. What the hell does "borrow trouble" mean? nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:46 AM
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7. Wow. I think I'm about 20 years older than you. You never heard that
expression? It's not a good thing, and I'll bet you've done it.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:13 AM
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19. Then you're going on 70, because I've never heard it either n/t
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:08 PM
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23. Perhaps regional.
I'm 47 and heard it frequently in my family and neighborhood.

A loose paraphrase on the New Testament "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof," where "evil" means "suffering" or "sorrow".

Which is to say, there's enough trouble to deal with today, there's no good in borrowing trouble (lic. "from tomorrow"), esp. when there's little to be done about troubles them. One could say it's more apropros in a simpler time, and that planning doesn't hurt. But I suspect that "trouble" didn't originally mean "difficulty" any more than "tide" in "time and tide" had to do with water. "Trouble" is an old synonym for "worry". As in "trouble and woe" or "toil and trouble".
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:13 PM
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24. Or religious (grew up in a Jewish home)...
I certainly understood what you were getting at. Your definition is interesting.

I just never heard it or read it before.

Do they still have that guy on NPR doing those origin of words / expressions?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:51 AM
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16. It means
to go looking for the bad side or the "trouble" when it doesn't need to be there or at least that it serves no purpose to go get the "trouble".
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:27 AM
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2. The answer is no.
Teh American will not take it, and the Americvan people, if given probable cause to fight every election that took place on November 7, 2006, will do so after seeing circumstance after circumstance from 2000-2005 of very strong probability for stolen elections. If thigns go as bad this next election as they did every election since 2000, people will wake up, and fight for protective legislation.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:37 AM
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5. Charlie Brown's football. This is not the first time this has happened.
This is not Mexico or the Ukraine. It's Amerika and polls will be scrubbed to align with the massaged electronic vote reconfigurations. Merka will just dutifully go back to what work they have and send their children to die for lies.

I would love to see a Boston Tea Party revolt, but I don't see it happening.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:44 AM
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6. erm, what makes you think there will BE exit polls
they nixed 'em for the last two elections.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:48 AM
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8. Damn fine point!
That's right! All of a sudden, they weren't to be believed. :eyes:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:49 AM
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9. Same as 2004. They'll Change the Exit Polls to Match the Fixed Results
Nobody will be the wiser except a few of us who stay up all night watching election returns.
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:37 AM
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10. Remember CNN/Ohio 2004?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:49 AM
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12. You're right, AndyTiedye! That is exactly what Edison-Mitofsky--the
sole exit pollster of 2004--has promised--that we will never see their real exit polls again.

See www.TruthIsAll.net for information about what happened with the exit polls in 2004. Basically, the real exit poll data showed a Kerry win all day long. Later in the day, they shut down the reporting system--a supposed "computer crash"--and, when it came back up, lo and behold, Bush won. They had MIXED the exit poll results with the "official" returns from Diebold and ES&S's secret programming code, and had FORCED the exit polls--in truly absurd ways--to match the results of Diebold/ES&S's secret formulae. Alert activists took screen shots of the real exit polls and figured out what they did--and have caused great embarrassment to Edison-Mitofksy. So no longer will we get to see what the exit polls are REALLY saying. They have promised that we will not.

This is so unprofessional and disgusting, it is almost beyond belief. Everywhere else in the democratic world, exit polls are used to verify elections and check for fraud. Not here. Here, they will be used to HIDE fraud!

How will the American people react? They are ALREADY reacting! They are BOYCOTTING the machines in huge numbers! Absentee Ballot voting has quintupled in some places, and has greatly increased all over, in direct proportion to the cancerous spread of Diebold, ES&S and other election theft machines.

And the corporate news monopolies are ALREADY trying to spin this huge increase in AB voting as a choice of "convenience." That is B.S. It is a PROTEST!

The American people KNOW. Or, many, many more know than was the case in 2004. And if the Bushites steal this one big, their election theft system is going to be DISMANTLED.

So I don't think they're going to steal it big. But I do think they may steal it cleverly--by letting the Dems win the House, but with a mixed bag of Dems, some of them thoroughly soiled with Bushism (like those who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus the other week), who will vote with the Bushites on important items and stymie the REAL Democrats, who represent the majority of Americans.

And we may be in more danger from this clever theft than from a big one--because it may dampen calls for election reform, or may result in an illusion of election reform, rather than the real thing. (The Dem Party has not been good on this--not at all.)

However, Diebold/ES&S having SECRET control of our election results is so foul that I think people will get rid of these machines by pressure on local/state officials--such as we're seeing with this big Absentee Ballot revolt--if only election reform groups will seize the day, and USE this indigenous protest as a club over election officials to demand reform.

Yes, they can steal it, and steal it big. That's the reality. That's what we have to change. Whatever they do this time. As for the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, who knows? They seem to be giving the Bushites a hard time lately. Our Corporate Rulers may have split from the Bushites, because the Bush Junta is bad for business. We'll see. But the last thing in the world they want to see is TRANSPARENT elections, and the loss of this Corporate election theft capability. If it's stolen big, they will NOT expose it--for that reason. BUT...I don't think they are FOR it being stolen big. And so it probably won't be. AND, if it's stolen big, I think there WILL be a peoples' revolt--as I said, it's already begun, with the big Absentee Ballot vote--and the Corporates don't want that kind of trouble. They want to have SMOOTH control of it all, not rebellion.

Strategy on the exit polls: Polluted exit polls (polluted with the "official' results of secret formulae) are easily exposed by us, and will not hold up to challenge. We may have a hard row, if the corporate news monopolies start declaring the wrong winners. But a lot more people know what's going on now, and many groups, activists, lawyers and others are getting ready to challenge suspicious results and non-transparent vote counting. I think the Corporates may lie low on this (exit poll predictions), and the worst that will happen is that we don't have THAT evidence of fraud.

Really, I think it's not in the best interest of the election theft industry to pull off a big heist this year. It will more likely be a carefully calculated heist, designed to give the Dems a weak majority in the House. We will benefit, as to committees, but may be very frustrated on major changes.

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 05:53 AM
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17. Could you post this information as a separate post?
It needs to be seen and might not be hidden inside another posting.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 02:39 AM
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11. It depends. Is there anything good on TV that night?
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:40 PM
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21. Exactly...
A stolen election can't compete with the finale of "Dancing with the Stars" :banghead:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 03:35 AM
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13. Then we GO MEXICAN/UKRAINIAN on them...
Then its time for mass civil disobedience(which I will quit my job to join)because it will then be time for an all out antifascist resistance campaign.

Better get ready.
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elizm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:20 AM
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15. Just remember....
Bush can now declare you an enemy combatant...if he SO says...and you can be taken and held without arrest warrant...and Bush can even now send in National Guard from neighboring states against the wishes of your own Governor!!!! And all of this occured just last week while everyone was asleep!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:13 AM
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20. Bush will do that to us anyway...
It's just that, if this election is stolen, no good will come of NOT resisting. The country will no longer be a democracy and the question of turning off "suburban swing voters" would be moot.

Not resisting would make us all just as ludicrous and embarassing as the Democratic leaders as depicted in Tom Tomorrow cartoons. I don't want to be waiting until the cryogenically preserved brains of Tom Daschle and Hillary TELL US it's finally ok to stand up and fight.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:17 AM
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14. Nothing.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:41 AM
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18. Not to worry.
There won't be any exit polls.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 01:45 PM
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22. We'll ask "What will happen if the exit polls are way off from official results?" again
:shrug:
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