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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 08:27 PM
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Diebold Election Systems Inc. voting machines source code leaked again
Diebold source code leaked again
Another breach on the e-voting front as elections near
Robert McMillan
Computerworld
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=...

October 21, 2006 (IDG News Service) -- Source code to Diebold Election Systems Inc. voting machines has been leaked once again.

On Wednesday, former Maryland state legislator Cheryl C. Kagan was anonymously given disks containing source code to Diebold's BallotStation and GEMS (Global Election Management System) tabulation software used in the 2004 elections. Kagan, a well-known critic of electronic voting, is Executive Director of the Carl M. Freeman Foundation, a philanthropic organization based in Olney, Maryland.

The disks were created and distributed by two federal voting machine testing labs run by Ciber Inc. and Wyle Laboratories Inc. They had been testing systems on behalf of the state of Maryland, Diebold said in a statement.

This is not the first time that Diebold source code has been leaked. In early 2003, Diebold critic Bev Harris uncovered similar source code while conducting research using Google Inc.'s search engine.

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They found, for example, that it would be easy to program a counterfeit voting card to work with the machines and then use it to cast multiple votes inside the voting booth.

Diebold says it has since introduced security enhancements to its products, but the fact that the company's sensitive source code has again leaked out is not a good sign, according to Avi Rubin, a computer science professor with Johns Hopkins and one of the authors of the 2003 report.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:04 PM
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1. Kick
Good to see this story being disseminated throughout
the news outlets....
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:20 PM
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2. Anyone that programs knows that source code is the most ephemeral
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 09:20 PM by bemildred
of things, changeable as can be. And yet they insist on treating it like it was engraved in steel plates so they can pretend it is a form of "property" like land or an automobile. Unless you give it physical form, a printout, it is even more ephemeral than a book, you can change it any way you like and nobody can tell what you did or why you did it.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:35 PM
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3. This may be a great thing...
...or, it could be a Rovian plant. How so, you may ask?

Imagine that there is found on those disks no evidence of diebold 'bad programming'.

So, there's that.

Otherwise, should the computer wizards uncover such damning information that we know would nail diebold to the wall, this could be just the thing that brings it all to a rapid boil.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:42 PM
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4. Yeah., but it's like above poster said...
"you can change it any way you like and nobody can tell what you did or why you did it."
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:35 PM
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9. Yup
Several studies have shown that code can be altered after the machine is loaded with the source code. So, we still have them by the short hairs.

Still, I don't trust that Rove and diebold didn't cook this up. Hope I am way off base, tho.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:55 AM
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12. I don't like it one bit...
Somehow we will get screwed!!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 09:50 PM
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5. I realize it's only a piece of the puzzle, but suppose there IS no
'bad' code...that at least is not 'bad' news (to us, anyway), right? (assuming it can be properly and honestly evaluated...source code isn't all that hard to decipher)

And if some flaky stuff, back-doors, dynamically alterable or otherwise suspicious is found, that's good (for us) too, isn't it?
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:29 PM
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7. Just because that source appears to be good
it doesn't follow that what is actually running on the machines is good. What's on the machines could have been compiled from different source code, or there could be additional code besides what was compiled from that source, or the operating system could be compromised in some way, or the hardware could be compromised in some way, or God only knows what else.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:01 AM
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13. A Dem campaign worker...
Told me to vote absentee ballot. We have these machines for the first time and there is going to be plenty of confusion besides the problems with the machines themselves.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:37 PM
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10. Yes, sir!
You are correct. Either way, the fact that its in the m$m is good for us and bad for them.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:46 PM
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17. Confusing!!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:30 PM
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8. No, the real danger is that you don't have to reproduce
The entire look and feel by redeveloping if you already have thier code, you can just change it.

These machines are so bad on so many levels. I'm ashamed of Maryland and the history of these machines here.

-Hoot
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:06 PM
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11. Well
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 11:08 PM by BeFree
You could live in Georgia. Believe it or not Georgia is infected by diebold even worse than Maryland. At least in Maryland they have a clue.

Yeah, yall have just about convinced me that rove, even if he cooked this one up, ain't gonna like the way its served.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:03 AM
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15. Have your ID ready...
if your in GA. I still don't know if they made that clear yet.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 04:20 PM
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16. I feel the same about PA n/t
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:11 PM
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6.  Not again! n/t
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:26 PM
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18. Yes, again n/t
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:03 AM
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14. Kick & Recommend (nt)
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