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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:03 AM
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Bush: "All you got to do is listen to what Osama bin Laden says"
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 12:36 AM by bigtree

October 11, 2006

Bush Press Conference
The Rose Garden

{snip}

Bush: I believe that the situation in Iraq is, no question, tough on the American psyche, like I said I think at this very spot last time I faced the press corps. And it's serious business. Look, the American people want to know, can we win -- that's what they want to know -- and do we have a plan to win. There are some who say, get out, it's not worth it. And those are some of the voices, by the way, in the Democrat Party. Certainly not all Democrats, but some of the loud voices in the party say, get out.

It's very important for our fellow citizens to recognize that I don't question anybody's patriotism, but I do question a strategy (?) that says we can't give those on the front line of fighting terror the tools necessary to fight terror.

I believe that in order to defend America we must take a threat seriously and defeat an enemy overseas so we don't have to face them here. I don't believe we can wait to respond after attack has occurred. (strawman)

. . . Iraq is a part of the war on terror. Now, I recognize Democrats say that's not the case, and what I say to the American people when I am out there is, all you got to do is listen to what Osama bin Laden says.

Don't believe me that it's a part of the war on terror; listen to the enemy, or listen to Mr. Zawahiri, the number two of al Qaeda, both of whom made it clear that Iraq is central in their plans.

I firmly believe that the American people understand that this is different from other war because in this war if we were to leave early before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/10/2006101...



This is why Bush is keeping our soldiers bogged down in Iraq. He's listening to bin-Laden instead of the American people, who are telling him that they don't believe or agree with his reasons for being in Iraq; whether he's using his 'terror war' as an excuse, or any other of his lies.

Notice the way that he's shifted his language, referring to the Iraq occupation as only 'part of this 'war on terror'. He's starting up a new line of bullshit, claiming that it's the terrorists who've been pushing the idea that Iraq was the 'center'. Bin-Laden did say that, but Bush has been flying around the country raising money for his republican enablers using the line as his own. He's been listening to bin-Laden and he wants us to join him in his fear and obsession with the words of the thugs who orchestrated 9-11.

"You know, there's a debate in Washington, D.C. about how to wage this war, Bush said at a republican fundraiser Oct.3. "They say that Iraq is a distraction in the war on terror. I strongly disagree," Bush declared. "I think Iraq is a central front in the war on terror, and we must defeat the enemy in Iraq if we want America to be secure."

How long are the American people going to tolerate Bush sacrificing our soldiers in Iraq to deny bin-Laden an imagined plot of land he has no purchase or influence on without the freedom Bush has allowed him for the five years since he promised to apprehend him "dead or alive." It was Bush who first made Iraq the 'center' of his contrived 'war on terror'. Bush's deliberate diversion of our forces from Afghanistan allowed the flames of fear he had fanned from the 9-11 attacks to catch spark in Iraq, as he stood behind our soldiers and called for 'terrorists' to attack them there.

Bin-Laden would love to keep our forces bogged down in Iraq instead of "on the hunt" for the terrorist and his accomplices as Bush promised. The Bush strategy of placing 140,000 troops in Iraq and 20,000 in Afghanistan is not lost on the thugs as they take refuge in the unattended mountains along the Pakistan/Afghan border. How could they have engineered a better diversion than Bush provided by listening to and following bin-Laden's whispered scheme?

Now we know why Bush is so intent on staying in Iraq. He's been listening to bin-Laden like he's Son of Sam's dog. Bush is listening to bin-Laden, and he wants Americans to listen to the terrorists, too. He wants us to be afraid. That's his platform for his republican's congressional campaign. Fear. If we were to leave early before the 'job' is done in Iraq, the 'enemy', Bush says, will follow us here. We know this, Bush says, because he's been listening to what bin-Laden says, instead of listening to the American people.


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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:11 AM
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1. just do what the terrorists want, mr. bush. that's what you're best at.
play right into their hands. that's where you will always have to head to inspire fear in your base, to keep those sheeple scared out of their wits... repukes always have to use the same tactics as the terrorists.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:07 AM
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3. every nut who steps up to challenge the U.S. with some violence
gets center stage as Bush elevates them for his political gain. All the while, our soldiers remain at the point of his politics, fighting and dying in Iraq to deny bin-Laden his imagined plot of land rather than catching the 9-11 orchestrator and cutting off whatever inspiration that might have existed.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:18 AM
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2. More Osama = Iraq linkage.
:eyes:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:33 AM
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4. Osama wants his oil?
Osama's doing just fine hiding behind Pakistan's nukes, like Bush, directing others to do his fighting and dying.

Bush and bin-Laden's outlook and message are the same. Iraq is their playground. Bush is enjoying the freedom he's providing bin-Laden. As he said in the news conference: "I firmly believe that with North Korea and with Iran that it is best to deal with these regimes with more than one voice."

His and bin-Laden's being the one's he thinks are the most important.


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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 02:25 AM
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5.  you dumb lying fuck
Iraq had nothing to do with bin Laden, the "war on terror" or 9/11. YOU put it front and center. You dragged the gd "war on terror" from Afghanistan to Iraq to assuage your own oedipal issues. YOU have been killing roughly two Americans per day ever since 9/11 to further YOUR fantasy of world dominion. So don't fricking lecture ME on what your pal Bin Laden says and treat me like some sort of dumb drooling idiot. You can't even put a fricking sentence together, you baboon, so just shut the fuck up.



Pfc. Christopher T. Riviere

Age: 21
Hometown: Cooper City, FL
Date of Death: 9/26/2006
Incident Location: Anbar province, Iraq

Branch of Military: Marines
Rank: Pfc.
Unit: 2nd Battalion, 3rd Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, III Marine Expeditionary
Unit's Base: Kaneohe Bay, HI

(Additional information provided by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel)

Riviere was assigned to 2nd Battalion, 3rd Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, III Marine Expeditionary Force, Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii. He died nine days after arriving in Iraq, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported for Thursday's editions. Riviere attended Cooper City High School and joined the Marines about a year ago. At a going away party held over Labor Day weekend he requested both Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners be served because he knew he would not be back before the end of the year, his aunt Connie Pie said. Riviere is survived by his mother, stepfather and two younger sisters.

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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:49 PM
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7. A tough week
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hcil Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:25 PM
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8. you mean "nothing" whatever that means.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:28 PM
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9. they're real people
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 10:30 PM by frogcycle
One aspect of this obscene war that eats at me is the general invisibility of the war's toll to the general public. These tragedies are occurring daily in this country. Occasionally a day gets skipped, but on average two a day since 9/11. Oct 1-7 2006 saw 25 fatalities. Those who live near military bases or have family members or friends over there are acutely aware. But there are "only" 140,000 or so in harms way in the two wars, and that probably extrapolates to only a couple of million or so close friends and family out of our population of nearly 300 M. Far too many of us can find it too easy to let it become an abstraction. These are flesh-and-blood people, with loved ones, with children. As John Laesch said last night, each and every death leaves a hole in many people's lives forever. Not to mention a roughly ten to one ratio of physically maimed, plus untold numbers psychologically scarred.

I visited the Twentynine Palms Marine training Center a few months ago. There were handmade "welcome home" signs all along the cyclone fence outside the main gate, more at the main intersection downtown. A unit had just returned the previous week. As I review "Faces of the Fallen I have found instances where someone was killed within a day or two of their planned return. As I looked at them i couldn't help thinking "oh god, I hope she didn't make that too soon". And then "I hope he is still that "daddy" that "Sunshine" misses. And then, of course, that sinking feeling that he'll be going back again... and again...







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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:46 PM
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12. frogcycle...
you've captured it so well for me (and for others as well)...that's it in a nut shell...

Iraq had nothing to do with bin Laden, the "war on terror" or 9/11. YOU put it front and center. You dragged the gd "war on terror" from Afghanistan to Iraq to assuage your own oedipal issues. YOU have been killing roughly two Americans per day ever since 9/11 to further YOUR fantasy of world dominion. So don't fricking lecture ME on what your pal Bin Laden says and treat me like some sort of dumb drooling idiot. You can't even put a fricking sentence together, you baboon, so just shut the fuck up.

K&R :kick:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:51 AM
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15. The next week
The first week of October, for which I listed names earlier, was followed by a second week with four more deaths. They are listed here:

http://www.dbc3.com/Fallen/fallenoct8-15.html

The links take you to their listing on the Washington Post website. Many have links to newspaper articles and a "tributes" site where you can express your condolences. The Post adds photos and links as they become available. You can obviously visit the Post, or any of a number of other websites directly to see the entire devasting picture. I just feel compelled to somehow acknowledge the new ones as they are added.

The devasting double-digit fatality numbers in the past couple of days have yet to be added ; we all know that week three has been worse even that the previous two.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:18 AM
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6. And as long as OBL continues talking, * will continue to employ the
terrorists words for short term Political purposes.

Never has a striving OBL been more important to a desperate politician.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:10 AM
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10.  "the enemy will follow us here" Homeland Security?
So...the billions you've spent on Homeland Security was just sand pounded down a rathole?
If we leave, the terriss will just all pile into a big jumbo jet and follow us home?

If "we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here", then why are we spending all this money "over here" to keep them "over there"?

Can't have it both ways, Dub**.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:37 PM
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11. Let's pick His Imperial Incompetency's statemwent apart . . .
Bush: I believe that the situation in Iraq is, no question, tough on the American psyche, like I said I think at this very spot last time I faced the press corps. And it's serious business. Look, the American people want to know, can we win -- that's what they want to know -- and do we have a plan to win. There are some who say, get out, it's not worth it. And those are some of the voices, by the way, in the Democrat Party. Certainly not all Democrats, but some of the loud voices in the party say, get out.

It's very important for our fellow citizens to recognize that I don't question anybody's patriotism . . .

Liar.

. . . but I do question a strategy that says we can't give those on the front line of fighting terror the tools necessary to fight terror.

How about body and vehicle armor? Or does Halliburton not make money from that?

I believe that in order to defend America we must take a threat seriously and defeat an enemy overseas so we don't have to face them here. I don't believe we can wait to respond after attack has occurred.

As BigTree points out, this is a straw man.

. . . Iraq is a part of the war on terror.

Yep. His Imperial Incompetency made sure of that.

Now, I recognize Democrats say that's not the case, and what I say to the American people when I am out there is, all you got to do is listen to what Osama bin Laden says.

Why? Aren't His Imperial Incompetency and his team of sociopaths enough? I don't I can stand one more.

Don't believe me that it's a part of the war on terror; listen to the enemy, or listen to Mr. Zawahiri, the number two of al Qaeda, both of whom made it clear that Iraq is central in their plans.

It became central to their plans only after it became central to His Imperial Incompetency's plans.

I firmly believe that the American people understand that this is different from other war because in this war if we were to leave early before the job is done, the enemy will follow us here.

How does that make it different from any other war? The German army would have been here if we hadn't done anything to stop them. So where's Osama already?

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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:46 PM
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13. The prick's
fantasy of world dominion!
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:49 PM
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14. Just look in the mirror...
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 12:05 PM
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16. Fallen website
I organized some of my previous posts into a small website. It's just a "gateway" to the Washington Post site, but gets the recent fatalities a little more front and center. Please take a moment to pay your respects; click through to the Post site, read the local papers, the "tributes", add a note if you choose.

Fallen
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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:25 PM
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17. "So OBL is dictating our foriegn policy?"
that should be the response by every democrat running this fall. Makes too much sense so they probably won't use it.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-21-06 03:27 PM
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18. no-no-no-! fool me once shame on me - fool me twice? fu*k you!!
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